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Me Too

 
 
centrox
 
  3  
Thu 18 Jan, 2018 04:42 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
an app which will allow people to give legal consent to sex via their mobile

I have lived too long.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 18 Jan, 2018 05:53 pm
@centrox,
#MeToo
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 19 Jan, 2018 01:32 am
Quote:
French 'MeToo' creator Sandra Muller 'sued for defamation'

18 January 2018

Sandra Muller, the creator of the French equivalent of the "MeToo" movement, says she is being sued for defamation by a man she accused of sexual harassment.

Ms Muller accused former television boss Eric Brion of making a sexually inappropriate advance toward her.

She created #balancetonporc, or "rat on your pig", which has been used to share stories thousands of times.

Mr Brion admitted making a comment, but said he only did so once.

In a piece for French newspaper Le Monde in December, he apologised for making the crude remark, but said there was a need for "truth and nuance" amid the wave of accusations.

He said his actions had little in common with accusations levelled at figures such as Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, who is facing dozens of allegations of sexual harassment and assault.

Mr Brion described the "machine" Ms Muller launched with her tweets as "unstoppable", and alleged that he had been subject to serious professional and personal repercussions because of it.



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edgarblythe
 
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Fri 19 Jan, 2018 05:40 pm
http://time.com/5110455/aly-raisman-larry-nassar-testimony-trial/
One really positive out come, the sort of thing that makes the turmoil worth it.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jan, 2018 02:55 pm
@edgarblythe,
175 years
ehBeth
 
  1  
Wed 24 Jan, 2018 02:58 pm
http://www.elle.com/culture/a15855944/womens-march-2018-media-attention-coverage/

Quote:
Between 1.6 and 2.5 million people participated in women's marches around the world this weekend. But blink, and you'll miss all the attention paid to them on Sunday's top five political talk shows. It amounted to about seven seconds.

As Media Matters reported, the shows, which include ABC’s This Week, CBS’ Face the Nation, CNN’s State of the Union, Fox’s Fox News Sunday, and NBC’s Meet the Press, "were nearly silent on the topic." In the midst of a government shutdown, which lasted under 72 hours, the bookers roped in over a dozen lawmakers and government officials to speak to that crisis instead.

Insult! Meet injury. None were women.



Quote:
If Trump fans, who represent a sliver of the electorate so small that Trump remains the most unpopular president since Harry Truman, are given the full run of the New York Times editorial section because we need to better understand them, then surely the greatest mass mobilization of women nationwide (ever?) deserves at least an equivalent measure of attention.

Or at least, I think so.

But alas, the news doesn't seem to. Instead, it looks like someone decided that stories about the movement and who powers it are "niche," not the stuff of "general interest" publications. And while we've gotten stories about women who've decided to run for office since the first Women's March in the mainstream media, and many are excellent, better still would be stories of the black women who elected Sen. Doug Jones in Alabama and Gov. Ralph Northam in Virginia. How politically active were they until now? When did they realize they needed to band together? How'd they do it? Why?



Quote:
Dana Fisher, a social scientist at the University of Maryland who will soon finish a book on the resistance under Trump, adds that while the lack of press has disappointed her, her research suggests it will just further galvanize women to protest, speak out, and organize. "The more underestimated people are, first, the more pissed off they get, but second, the more determined they are to show what they can do."

So with or without the outlets, advocates intend keep up their efforts and their focus on what matters: the ballot. "Women are marching in the streets by the millions because we reject pervasive misogyny, attacks on reproductive rights—including abortion access—and a culture where #MeToo moments feel far too familiar to all of us," wrote NARAL National Communications Director Kaylie Hanson Long in an emailed statement. "It's time to recognize us not as just a sea of pink hats, but as a driving force for political change."




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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Wed 24 Jan, 2018 03:17 pm
@ehBeth,
Also, he's already doing a federal term of 60.
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ehBeth
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jan, 2018 02:04 pm
good read

I wasn't so much interested in HRC's book but the American history that the reviewer pulled in was interesting

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/02/08/hillary-clinton-female-trouble/

Quote:
As things turned out, cultural understandings about the electoral process in relation to gender were more powerful than understandings about it in relation to race. Much to the chagrin—rage, actually—of many white female abolitionists and women’s rights activists, the Fifteenth Amendment gave newly freed black men the right to vote in 1870. Although cultural understandings that promoted white supremacy interfered with the law for decades (and continue today in the form of voter suppression), black men voted and held office during Reconstruction—Mississippi had two black senators, Louisiana for a short time had a black governor, and “an estimated 2,000 black men served in some kind of elective office during that era.”3


Quote:
It was not until 1916 that the first woman, Jeannette Rankin, was elected to national office. Rankin was elected to Congress from Montana. Women in Wyoming were given the right to vote in 1869. But women of all races had to wait until the twentieth century, with the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment, for the constitutional right to vote. The question of who would go first in the march of national electoral progress—black men or white women—was asked again during the 2008 presidential primary contest between Obama and Clinton. The answer was the same as it had been in the 1860s.


and other more general political history

Quote:
political scientist Farida Jalalzai, whom the Atlantic Monthly commentator Uri Friedman quoted when he wrote, in a postmortem of Clinton’s campaign, that women “are more likely to serve as prime ministers than as presidents, perhaps because in parliamentary systems women can ‘bypass a potentially biased general public and be chosen by the party.’” Friedman goes on to suggest that “to win a national vote in a presidential system, women must contend more directly, and on a larger scale, with sexism and stereotypes.”4 It should not surprise us that requiring candidates to run as potential symbols of the nation would place women at a disadvantage.

The person at the head of the ticket undoubtedly matters in both parliamentary and presidential systems. But the person matters more in a system that encourages voters to fixate on their instinctive responses to a candidate’s personality, rather than on support for a party and its overall policies.



Quote:
A woman operating in the US’s political system, as Jalalzai suggests, will necessarily encounter age-old understandings about femininity and masculinity that have remained in place to a greater extent than many care to acknowledge, and that remain undisturbed by firsthand experiences with the candidate. On the other hand, Clinton says, in parliamentary systems

prime ministers are chosen by their colleagues—people they’ve worked with day in and day out, who’ve seen firsthand their talents and competence. It’s a system designed to reward women’s skill at building relationships, which requires emotional labor.


lots more at the link

I have a lot of references to follow up on

thanks to Hightor for the link to another article at nybooks.com that led me to this
hightor
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jan, 2018 02:11 pm
@ehBeth,
You're welcome, ehBeth — and yes, that article was fascinating as well. Interesting insights all over, such as why parliamentary democracies are more conducive to having women as political leaders than our republic is.
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Sat 27 Jan, 2018 01:01 pm
Hillary Clinton, Burns Strider, and the Fault Lines of #MeToo
Megan Garber, Jan. 26, 2018

During her 2008 presidential campaign, The New York Times reports, Clinton shielded an adviser who had been accused of sexual harassment.

Here is the top line, from The New York Times:

Quote:
A senior adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign who was accused of repeatedly sexually harassing a young subordinate was kept on the campaign at Mrs. Clinton’s request, according to four people familiar with what took place.

Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager at the time recommended that she fire the adviser, Burns Strider. But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, Mr. Strider was docked several weeks of pay and ordered to undergo counseling, and the young woman was moved to a new job.


But Mrs. Clinton did not. Instead, The Times reports: Clinton kept the man who had been accused of sexual harassment—Strider, the co-founder of the American Values Network—on her staff, and in the role of her faith advisor; the woman who had made the accusation stayed on the campaign, as well, but she lost the role she had had before. (“Moved to a new job,” The Times puts it, euphemistically.) The man who, the young woman said, “rubbed her shoulders inappropriately, kissed her on the forehead, and sent her a string of suggestive emails,” remained in his place; the woman who had reported the wrongdoing was the one who was made to move. The circumstances outlined in the Times report, taking place as they did within the context of a historic campaign for the American presidency, are exceptional; the contours of it, however, are extremely familiar.

They are also, in this case, deeply—and instructively—ironic. One of the paradoxes that has defined Hillary Clinton as a public figure, after all, is the seemingly deep disconnect between who she has been as a person and who she has been as a candidate. Clinton the person, the familiar framings often go, is warm and funny and charismatic and caring and, in the end, manifestly and messily and relatably human; Clinton the candidate, on the other hand, is controlled. Careful. Strategic. And yet, for all that—American politics is a pitiless thing—failing to effect the kind of performative authenticity that contemporary campaigns demand of those who engage in them.

Here, though, in the story the Times is telling, is another extension of the Clintonian disconnect—one that is as much about the current #MeToo moment as it is about Clinton herself. Here is Hillary, the advocate of women in general, colliding awkwardly with Hillary, the advocate of women in particular. Here is the woman who, in 2008 and again in 2016, proposed to fight for all women—through political policy, and also through the more broadly symbolic fact of her own power—seemingly failing to fight for one of the women who was right in front of her, and directly under her management.

Many observers have attributed the force and speed of this #MeToo moment, in a backhanded way, to Clinton herself: #MeToo, that logic goes, came about in part because of the outrage that simmered in many women who had watched the way Clinton, as both a soaring symbol and a vulnerable person, had been treated by Donald Trump. [...]

The choice Clinton ultimately made, however, in the sharpness of retrospect, was remarkably in line with many of the precise institutional biases #MeToo is attempting to fight against. Whatever Clinton’s reasons for the decision she made in 2008, the result of it today—the blunt, brute optics of it—amounted to the same thing: power protecting itself. The man keeping his job. The woman losing hers. The woman, too, muted through a nondisclosure agreement; the man silent because he chooses to make no comment. The powerful person prioritized; the less powerful one made to accommodate. [...]

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/hillary-clinton-sexual-harassment/551642/
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edgarblythe
 
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Tue 30 Jan, 2018 09:34 pm
KFOR-TV
10 hrs ·
An Oklahoma man who pleaded guilty to brutally raping a 13-year-old girl at a church camp was sentenced to 15 years probation.
maxdancona
 
  1  
Tue 30 Jan, 2018 09:53 pm
@edgarblythe,
I am curious... did this outrage of the day come from your Facebook feed, or are you spending your time searching the internet for these stories.

Admittedly, I probably agree that this is an injustice (not knowing the story in full)... but really, scraping the bottom of the internet for every story of injustice to fit your political outrage isn't what you said this thread was about.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 02:20 pm
Quote:
Oxford Islamic academic in custody in France on rape accusations

Reuters Staff

PARIS (Reuters) - Prominent Swiss academic Tariq Ramadan, a professor of Islamic studies at the University of Oxford, has been taken into custody by French police following accusations of rape, a judicial source said on Wednesday.

The source said a preliminary investigation was opened after two complaints were filed against Ramadan, a well-known figure in the Middle East. He is the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood movement in Egypt, Hassan al-Banna.

Ramadan took a leave of absence from Oxford last November after two women filed complaints in France alleging rape. He has denied the allegations and filed a complaint for slander against author Henda Ayari, one of his accusers.


Ramadan is very influential among French and more broadly francophone Muslims. Recently, quite a number (4 or 5?) of young Muslim women accused him of sexual assault, of which rape in two cases.
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 04:23 pm
@maxdancona,
Why does it upset you that I keep such miscarriages of justice visible?
maxdancona
 
  1  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 04:41 pm
@edgarblythe,
It is outrage porn.

These sensational stories don't cause anyone to think or generate any real understanding. The dramatic headlines that generate a lot of heat and make people in your ideological bubble feel titillated (and people on the right do the same). No one reads these stories and thinks critically.

It is just ideological junk food. It is filled with self-righteousness but not much critical thought.

When you claimed this thread was for real people to share personal stories, you were not being honest. What we are getting is White mostly men sharing outrageous stories culled from the internet.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 05:13 pm
@maxdancona,
Historically, movements to elevate the status of women only succeed in the short run. We have to keep the pressure on to keep this one alive. Silence is capitulation.
maxdancona
 
  1  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 05:14 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Silence is capitulation.


Thank you for your support Edgar. Don't worry, I am not shutting up.
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maxdancona
 
  1  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 05:19 pm
@edgarblythe,
The reason that this "movement" has been successful is for the first time White people are being portrayed as being oppressed. White women are one of the most privileged groups throughout history. They, along with White men, gained the economic and social benefits of colonization. And they still benefit.

We aren't really talking about the incarceration rate of Black men. We aren't talking about how first world countries are still dominating indigenous cultures. We aren't really talking about the refugee crisis, or police brutality.

White people are now dominating any talk of social justice.... because they are White.
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 05:22 pm
@maxdancona,
Regardless of who is at the forefront it has to be helped to stay alive.
maxdancona
 
  1  
Wed 31 Jan, 2018 05:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
And it also has to be challenged and questioned. A mindless ideology that can't be questioned is no good to anyone.

I have no problem with feminists speaking out. I do have a problem with people who question the ideology being attacked and insulted. And, I have a problem with the mythology that has developed around the ideology.

Some of it is true. Some of it doesn't make any sense.
 

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