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Shooting with multiple casualties in Vegas at Aldeen's concert

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2017 01:32 am
BBC's latest on the killer.

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Las Vegas concert gunman Stephen Paddock was a wealthy former accountant who seemed to be living a quiet retirement in a desert community.
The 64-year-old, of Mesquite, Nevada, had a pilot's and hunting licence and no criminal record, said authorities.
But one former neighbour said Paddock was a professional gambler and "weird".
There was reason to believe the man police identified as the Las Vegas killer had a history of psychological problems, a US official told Reuters news agency.
It is the deadliest shooting in modern US history, with the toll surpassing the 49 killed at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in June 2016.
Paddock opened fire from the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino on Sunday night, killing at least 59 people and wounding more than 500 others, before turning the gun on himself as police closed in, said officials.
Twenty-three weapons were found in the 32nd-floor hotel room that Paddock checked into last Thursday.
Police found "in excess of" 19 firearms and thousands of rounds of ammunition in his Mesquite home, while explosives were found in the property and car.
Sheriff Lombardo also said officers found "some electronic devices" in the house, which sits in a quiet retirement community.
David Famiglietti of the New Frontier Armory told the BBC that Paddock had purchased firearms at his store in North Las Vegas in the spring of this year, meeting all state and federal requirements, including an FBI background check.
However, the shotgun and rifle Paddock bought would not have been "capable of what we've seen and heard in the video without modification," Mr Famiglietti said.
But the FBI said its agents had established no connection between Paddock and any overseas terrorist group, despite a claim from so-called Islamic State.
The killer's brother, Eric Paddock, told reporters their father was a bank robber who used to be on the FBI's most wanted list and once escaped from prison.
According to a 1969 poster issued by law enforcement for the fugitive, Patrick Benjamin Paddock was "diagnosed as psychopathic".
Eric Paddock told reporters outside his Orlando home that the family were stunned by his brother's involvement in the Las Vegas massacre.
"There's absolutely no sense, no reason he did this," he said.
"He's just a guy who played video poker and took cruises and ate burritos at Taco Bell."
He told reporters his brother was "not an avid gun guy at all" and had no military background. The gunman must have just "snapped", he added.
According to NBC News, Stephen Paddock recently made several gambling transactions in the tens of thousands of dollars, but it was unclear if those bets were wins or losses.
The gunman's other brother, Bruce Paddock, told NBC his brother was a multi-millionaire property investor.
Defence contractor Lockheed Martin said Paddock once worked for one of its predecessor companies three decades ago.
Las Vegas police said Paddock's only previous known brush with the law was a routine traffic violation.
Paddock had moved to his two-storey house in Mesquite from Reno, Nevada, in June 2016.
He lived in the property in Babbling Brook Court with his girlfriend Marilou Danley, 62, records show.
Authorities had earlier appealed for help in finding Ms Danley, but she was traced outside of the US. According to Sheriff Lombardo, she was in Japan.
Investigators later said she had been interviewed, and was "no longer being sought out as a person of interest".
She was not with Paddock when he checked into the Mandalay, police said.
They said the gunman had been "utilising some of her identification".
According to US media, the suspect had a licence to fly small planes and owned two aircraft.
Paddock's former neighbour, Diane McKay, 79, told the Washington Post the suspect and his girlfriend always kept the blinds closed at home.
"He was weird," she said. "Kept to himself. It was like living next to nothing.
"You can at least be grumpy, something. He was just nothing, quiet."
In 2012, Paddock filed a negligence lawsuit against The Cosmopolitan hotel in Las Vegas, after a fall caused by an "obstruction" on the floor, according to his brother.
The legal action was dropped by both parties in 2014.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41472462
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2017 02:59 am
The BBC has set up a page for the victims, it will be updated as more names are added to the list. Each of the 59 casualties was a human being with their own unique hopes, fears, dreams and aspirations.

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Details have emerged of some of those killed when Stephen Paddock opened fire on innocent concert-goers in Las Vegas on Sunday night.
An off-duty Las Vegas police officer is among those who died. He was identified by friends speaking to the Las Vegas Review-Journal as 34-year-old Charleston Hartfield, a military veteran who also coached youth football.
The Tennessean reports the death of Sonny Melton, 29. The paper quotes his wife, Heather, as saying the nurse, from Big Sandy, saved her life by grabbing her as the shooting started. She says he was shot in the back.
A woman from West Virginia, Denise Burditus, was at the festival with her husband Tony. He later wrote on Facebook that she died in his arms. She was a mother of two and "soon to be a grandmother of five", he wrote.
A special education teacher from Manhattan Beach in California, Sandy Casey, died after being shot in the back. She was with her fiancé, Christopher Willemse at the concert. Manhattan Beach Middle School, where they were colleagues, described her as "absolutely loved by students and colleagues alike". She had "made a tremendous difference in the lives of our students and their families," Superintendent Mike Matthews was quoted as saying on ABC7.
Chris Roybal, 28, from Southern California, was a Navy veteran who had recently returned from Afghanistan. He was at the concert with his mother but they had been separated and she ran towards the gunfire to try and find him. "He went to combat and came back without being injured, and then goes to a concert and dies," she told NBC4.
Thomas Day, a home builder in California, was at the concert with his four children, who survived. "He was the best dad. That's why the kids were with him," his father told the LA Times.
35-year-old skydiver and mother-of-three Hannah Ahlers was "a devoted mother and wife", a friend said, and "one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen with a heart to match".
Angie Gomez, a cheerleader from Riverside, California, was "a cheerful young lady with a warm heart and loving spirit" according to a fundraising page set up for her family.
Dana Gardner, 52, had been a San Bernardino county employee for 26 years and was described as a "go-to person" and a "dedicated public servant".
Also from California, John Phippen was reportedly shot in the back. The Signal reports that Mr Phippen's son, Travis, was shot in the arm but survived.
The Alaska Dispatch News reports that two Alaskans were killed in the shooting - Adrian Murfitt, 35, a salmon fisher who was at the country music festival with friends, and Dorene Anderson, 49, a stay-at-home mum who was there with her daughters. Both came from Anchorage.
At least three Canadians are among the dead, CBC reports.
It names one as Jordan McIldoon, 23 and a mechanic's apprentice, from British Columbia. He was attending the country music festival with his girlfriend.
Jessica Klymchuk, 34 and from Alberta, was a bus driver and school assistant. She had four children.
Another woman from Alberta died in the attack, according to CBC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41476879
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 05:28 am
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The girlfriend of Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock has arrived in the United States, where she is wanted for questioning.
Marilou Danley, who was in the Philippines, was met by federal agents when she landed in Los Angeles on Tuesday night, US media report.
Reports said Paddock transferred US$100,000 (£75,400) to her in the Philippines before Sunday's shooting.
He killed 58 concert-goers and injured more than 500 in Las Vegas.
The retiree sprayed bullets into a crowd attending a country music festival from his hotel room at the Mandalay Bay Hotel, before apparently killing himself.
Paddock had no criminal record and was not known to police, who have yet to state his motives for the shooting, the worst in US modern history.
US authorities have since named Ms Danley a "person of interest" in the investigation, and said they had been in contact with her seeking information on Paddock shortly after the shooting.
She had been in the Philippines since late September, local media reported.
Her sisters told Australian outlet 7News that Ms Danley had not known about the trip until Paddock told her he had bought her a ticket to the Philippines. "She was sent away... so that she will not be there to interfere with what he's planning," they said.
Paddock checked into the Mandalay Bay Hotel on 28 September, reportedly using some of Ms Danley's identity documents.
The Philippines' National Bureau of Investigation told AFP news agency it was investigating reports that Paddock sent US$100,000 to Ms Danley in the Philippines days before the shooting.
Ms Danley's sisters also told 7News that she had been wired that amount in the Philippines.
An unnamed US official told Reuters news agency that investigators were assuming the amount was intended as a form of life insurance for her.
Eric Paddock, the youngest brother of Stephen Paddock, told The New York Times that his brother loved and doted on Ms Danley.
"She was probably one of the only people I've ever seen that he'd go out of his way to do a little thing for."
Who is Marilou Danley?
The 62-year-old Australian citizen was reportedly born in the Philippines.
Lived in Queensland for about 10 years in the 1980s while married to an Australian.
She then moved to the US and was married to American Geary Danley, whom she divorced in 2015.
Used to work as a casino hostess attending to "high-limit" players, and is thought to have met Stephen Paddock in a Nevada casino.
US police say she had been living in Nevada with Paddock.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41494307
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 06:16 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

BBC's latest on the killer.

Quote:
..The killer's brother, Eric Paddock, told reporters their father was a bank robber who used to be on the FBI's most wanted list and once escaped from prison.
According to a 1969 poster issued by law enforcement for the fugitive, Patrick Benjamin Paddock was "diagnosed as psychopathic".
Eric Paddock told reporters outside his Orlando home that the family were stunned by his brother's involvement in the Las Vegas massacre.
"There's absolutely no sense, no reason he did this," he said.
"He's just a guy who played video poker and took cruises and ate burritos at Taco Bell."
He told reporters his brother was "not an avid gun guy at all" and had no military background. The gunman must have just "snapped", he added.
.....


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41472462


I realize Eric Paddock is upset that his brother could do such a thing, but the guy didn't "just snap". He planned all of this. That much is exceptionally obvious.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 06:30 am
He has to have said something to somebody, about his guns and what he felt about the anonymous crowds of people he planned to kill.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 06:59 am
@jespah,
I saw the interview with his brother. This is what he woke up to, phones ringing and journos asking questions. He was clearly gobsmacked about what had happened, and hadn't had any time to think things though. He did say they weren't close.

I agree with what you're saying, but I think he can be forgiven for what he said given the circumstances.
jespah
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 07:27 am
@izzythepush,
Oh, no doubt - I'm sure it was more of a reflexive response than anything at the time.

This attack had every single hallmark of planning imaginable, apart from a calendar reminder or a diary entry which said, "Today's the day (etc.)"
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 07:50 am
@jespah,
Agreed.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 08:02 am
@jespah,
I think the moment the plan materialized in his consciousness was when he snapped.

I guess “snap” connotes a moment when you lose control and begin going crazy, but that scenario is not always the case.

Many times, when the psyche makes a decision to commit suicide or murder, the person feels serene and can carry out a suicidal or homicidal plan over a period of weeks, but that snap moment has occurred.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 08:20 am
When did he first start his gun collection?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2017 08:39 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

When did he first start his gun collection?

Since the 1980s. He bought 33 in the last year.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 12:52 am
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The girlfriend of the Las Vegas gunman who shot dead 58 people on Sunday has said she had no idea what her "kind, caring, quiet" partner was planning.
Marilou Danley's comments came hours before police suggested Stephen Paddock had been living "a secret life".
They said he may have been planning to escape instead of shooting himself dead, but did not give further details.
It is not yet known why he opened fire on an open-air concert, committing the worst shooting in modern US history.
Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told a press conference that:
Police had found more explosives in Paddock's car at the hotel, along with about 1,600 rounds of ammunition
Paddock had been gambling just hours before he began shooting
He had booked into an apartment at the high-rise Ogden in downtown Las Vegas a week earlier during a different open-air festival where acts including Muse, Lorde and Blink-182 were due to play
But he said Paddock's motivations and whether there were any possible accomplices remained a mystery. The FBI's Aaron Rouse said so far no link to terrorism had been found but they would continue to "look at all avenues" without "closing any doors" because it was "an ongoing investigation".
"We don't understand it yet," Sheriff Lombardo told reporters, but questioned whether he could have accomplished his plan by himself.
"You've got to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point," he said.
Ms Danley, who spoke to the FBI on Wednesday, expressed shock at the "horrible unspeakable acts of violence" Paddock had committed.
Paddock "never said anything to me or took any action" which she understood as a warning of what was to come, she said in a statement read by her lawyer.
Ms Danley added: "I loved him and hoped for a quiet future together."
US authorities named Ms Danley a "person of interest" in their investigation and said they had made contact with her shortly after the shooting.
Ms Danley voluntarily flew back to Los Angeles from the Philippines on Tuesday night to speak to the FBI, just over two weeks after Paddock had surprised her with a "cheap ticket" to enable her to visit her family.
While there, he wired her $100,000 (£75,400), explaining it was to buy a house.
"I was grateful, but honestly I was worried it was a way for him to break up with me," she said. "It never occurred to me in any way whatsoever that he was planning violence against anyone."
Her sister earlier told Australian outlet 7News that Ms Danley "was sent away... so that she will not be there to interfere with what he's planning".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41504063
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 06:00 am
@edgarblythe,
So, one every 11 - 12 days or so.

Does anyone at all think that's some magical, wonderful number we should be granting everyone the perfect rights to, as was blessed by the Founding Fathers and is necessary for, oh, I dunno what?

I can't buy Sudafed that fast, ferchrissakes.

I await the Second Amendment arguments. Well, sorry, folks, but the Second Amendment reads as follows, in its entirety:
the Constitution wrote:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

See: https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/United_States_of_America_1992

It's about the right to have a militia. And even if you want to toss out the militia part, why oh why is it impossible to have restrictions on the Second Amendment when we have them on the First?

The First Amendment reads, in its entirety:
the Constitution wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Yet we still have slander and libel laws. We still don't allow an incitement to riot, or rioting itself.

How come the Second Amendment has no restrictions, whereas the First has several?

I'm not talking about anyone not being allowed to have guns. Want to hunt? Awesome. Want to target shoot? Have a great time. Want to defend your family? I'm not averse to that, either.

But when you have more than 15 times as many guns as you have hands - and we are only talking about what Paddock purchased in 2017, isn't that a little (yes, the pun is intended) overkill?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 06:29 am
There can be no logical defense of unrestricted weapon ownership. The gun nuts I speak with privately (my own son is one) believe the slightest form of gun control is but a ruse to ease in total seizing of guns. Nothing touches that notion. Owning guns for target practice or protection is fine with me, but they don't believe it when I tell them that.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 08:53 am
@jespah,
No restrictions on the 2nd amendment? You're kidding right? It's ridiculous how many restrictions we already have on the 2nd amendment.

What about collector's? Do they not have a right to purchase what ever they want, in whatever quantity they want?

Also, your interpretation of the 2nd amendment is just that, YOUR interpretation. My interpretation is that because the government has control of the MILITIA, the PEOPLE's (not the militia) right to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed. It's pretty clear that the Militia and the People are separate entities by the words used.

I still can't believe you wrote
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How come the Second Amendment has no restrictions, whereas the First has several?
I mean, come on! Have you ever tried to purchase a pistol in New York State?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 09:40 am
@McGentrix,
Thing about collectors is, some can be unbalanced, rent a hotel room and - well, the consequences can be dire.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 09:43 am
@jespah,
jespah wrote:

I can't buy Sudafed that fast, ferchrissakes.


I can.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 11:36 am
The guy was seen with a mystery woman. If they can find a video of her they might advance the case.
centrox
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 11:47 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
What about collector's? Do they not have a right to purchase what ever they want, in whatever quantity they want?

Especially if they collect apostrophes, perhaps.

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2017 01:15 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Thing about collectors is, some can be unbalanced, rent a hotel room and - well, the consequences can be dire.


Yep, that's true. Have you ever seen those little old ladies that collect smurfs at swap shows? Completely unhinged.

What do you propose as a solution then? Just snide comments?
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