Interesting Take On Hitler / Religion/ Bush By M. Farrell

Gungasnake is actually correct in his opinion on slavery in the present-day Islamic world, though I don't know if the phenomenon can be blamed on the faith itself or not.

primergray wrote:

Gungasnake is actually correct in his opinion on slavery in the present-day Islamic world, though I don't know if the phenomenon can be blamed on the faith itself or not.

You should tell especially the Europeans more about that: some are looking for more evidence against Turkey becoming an EU-member!

To the best of my knowledge Turkey has banned slavery at present but a hundred and fifty years ago and on back they were the biggest slavers of all time.

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By all means lets look back 150 years and see what the US was doing at that time... Hmm... Yep, slavery here, too!

Chengis Khan's sons and grandsons reopened the silk road all the way from China to Europe after it had been kaput for many centuries and for a hundred and fifty years Europeans were able to take trade caravans to India and China and come back with spices so that they finally had something more than just salt to put on meat and then, about 150 years later, Tamerlane broke up the Golden Horde at Sarai, turned southern Russia and the area of Astrakhan into a wasteland which Russians called "Dikoyeh poliye" or 'wild fields, and the silk road was shut down again.

At that point Europeans said there was no way in hell they were going back to eating meat with just salt on it and started sailing around Africa to get to India and, naturally enough, the first time those ships put into west African ports for supplies, the Africans figured they were just more muslims come to buy slaves, and thus the great age of the European slave trade was born.

gungasnake wrote:

Chengis Khan's sons and grandsons reopened the silk road all the way from China to Europe after it had been kaput for many centuries and for a hundred and fifty years Europeans were able to take trade caravans to India and China and come back with spices so that they finally had something more than just salt to put on meat and then, about 150 years later, Tamerlane broke up the Golden Horde at Sarai, turned southern Russia and the area of Astrakhan into a wasteland which Russians called "Dikoyeh poliye" or 'wild fields, and the silk road was shut down again.

At that point Europeans said there was no way in hell they were going back to eating meat with just salt on it and started sailing around Africa to get to India and, naturally enough, the first time those ships put into west African ports for supplies, the Africans figured they were just more muslims come to buy slaves, and thus the great age of the European slave trade was born.

That was good, gunga. Kinda simplified, but pretty accurate - was that your own synopsis?

McGentrix wrote:

Gunga, just because a lot of people believe something does not make it right. Look at how many people here believe the Bush is a moron. Certainly they are not the first to think that, but as we know, they are wrong.

Just as it is wrong to believe that all Muslims are bad people and that we should nuke their religious centers. It's stupid to blame the majority for the acts of the minority.

You have to have been following this one for a while to comprehend it. I never advocated nuking Mecca. What I did say was that my first instinct would have been to Nuke Mecca but that a reasonable person would want to try what George W. Bush has done first, and that those two were about the only two options Bush had at the time of 9/11.

"Joe Republican" appears to be a sort of a master of the out of context
quote and is on some sort of a smear and demonize campaign.

There are two things Bush could have done after 9-11: what I'd have done, and what he has done. Me, I'd have levelled Mecca and Medina, and banned the practice of Islam not only in America but throughout the world.

It wasn't Islam that attacked, it was Terrorists who practiced a very strict and fundamentalist version of Islam.

Gunga, I don't care what they do in their country but you have to keep the suicide bombers out of America. It amazes me that so many americans on this forum are so muslim tolerant given september 11th.

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 7:12

Okay then, how do you know which muslims in america are normal and which ones are sleepers? Remember Attha lived in a nice neighbour hood, wore designer clothes and seemed a normal person.

Okay then, how do you know which muslims in america are normal and which ones are sleepers? Remember Attha lived in a nice neighbour hood, wore designer clothes and seemed a normal person.