Interesting Take On Hitler / Religion/ Bush By M. Farrell

Joe Republican wrote:

Is this what christianity is about? Levelling Mecca, bombing the Middle East and ridding the world of muslims? Look at some of your posts and replace the word Muslim with Jew. Now you can see why there are comparisons between Hitler and Bush.

I do not believe I have ever heard or read Bush suggesting, hinting, implying, saying, writting that Muslims should be wiped out. Only a complete idiot would compare Bush with Hitler.

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Another poster said "This could never happen in this country because of separation of powers". Well, I beg to differ. Our founding fathers set up the constitution in order to promote the minority viewpoint. That is why we have three branches of government. They believed that the only correct decisions were made when all of the constituents were heard. Well, now our separation of powers is gone. Our country is controlled by the radical right, who uses tactics boarding on treason, to force all others to agree with them. I can come up with numerous facts for the above, but it's how we are operating right now.

The people of the US elect their representatives. That Republicans, not the radical right, control the majority in the House and Senate as well as the presidency is telling. They do not trust Democrats or the left. Rightly so as they have a history of appeasement and cowardice.

I would like to see your numerous facts for your claims above.

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Why do you think there were so many cabinet people leaving? Because they want all "yes" men around them. They want to squelch out any dissenting opinion to their actions and policies. They use force and threats, even within their own party (Arlin Spector), to force their radical agenda.

So, why did so many cabinet members leave at the end of Clinton's first term? Reagan's? You don't suppose it could be because they have other things they'd like to do or that they feel they can no longer be effective, or they do not like the direction the administration is heading, or they's like to get back to the private sector or 100 other reason's, do you? I think you may have a case of mental constipation on this point.

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I think it is safe to say that the balance our founding fathers put in the constitution are gone. Those in power will do nothing to stop at keeping it, including rigging elections. They are the Anti-americans and history will show this. It's just amazing to me that so many others believe in this radical un-American form of government.

I think it is equally safe to say you are just plain wrong. Wordy, but wrong.

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I agree; you SHOULD get some help, Gunga.

Cycloptichorn

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gungasnake wrote:

Joe Republican wrote:

Here's my problems with you gunga, and most of christianity. You profess to be devoutly religious, yet you spew out some of the most vile and hate filled articles blah, blah, blah......

My suggestion:

And my suggestion for you is to try to use this once in a while.

http://www.biologicalunhappiness.com/mental_health/mainsection1.gif

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Joe Republican wrote:

And my suggestion for you is to try to use this once in a while....

Maybe I'm missing something, but the impression I had was that this thread started off with a claim that Adolf Hitler based his entire theory of life on Christianity and Christian values, I attempted to explain the true nature of the philosophical basis of naziism and I'm a "hate monger" or, in the case of people parroting the democrat litany against George W. Bush and the operation in Iraq I noted that Bush basically had two choices, i.e. eliminate Islam or do what he has tried to do and, again, I'm the "hate monger"

Sorry, pal, I don't buy it and I don't think a whole lot of people bought it last Nov. 2, or at least not the ones who gave it any real thought.

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McGentrix wrote:

Joe Republican wrote:
Is this what christianity is about? Levelling Mecca, bombing the Middle East and ridding the world of muslims? Look at some of your posts and replace the word Muslim with Jew. Now you can see why there are comparisons between Hitler and Bush.

I do not believe I have ever heard or read Bush suggesting, hinting, implying, saying, writting that Muslims should be wiped out. Only a complete idiot would compare Bush with Hitler.

Re-read my post. I was quoting gunga, not Bush.

As for a complete idiot comparing Bush to Hitler? Only a complete idiot would fail to look at history, fail look at the downfalls of civilization, and continue along the same path.

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Another poster said "This could never happen in this country because of separation of powers". Well, I beg to differ. Our founding fathers set up the constitution in order to promote the minority viewpoint. That is why we have three branches of government. They believed that the only correct decisions were made when all of the constituents were heard. Well, now our separation of powers is gone. Our country is controlled by the radical right, who uses tactics boarding on treason, to force all others to agree with them. I can come up with numerous facts for the above, but it's how we are operating right now.

The people of the US elect their representatives. That Republicans, not the radical right, control the majority in the House and Senate as well as the presidency is telling. They do not trust Democrats or the left. Rightly so as they have a history of appeasement and cowardice.

Sorry, but I beg to differ. The Republicans controll nothing, the radical right controlls everything. Bush, Lott, Delay et all. all radical right and they show no forms of traditional republicanism. They controll the government, not the republicans.

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I would like to see your numerous facts for your claims above.

Lets see.

1. Valerie Plame
2. Lying to congress about the cost of the health bill
3. Creating a ficticious threat to invade a country under false pretenses
4. Putting the lives of Bin Laden's family ahead of the security of our country
5. Election Fraud (Read some of the blackwell report)

Each and every item listed above is completely devoid of democracy. Just off the top of my head.

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Why do you think there were so many cabinet people leaving? Because they want all "yes" men around them. They want to squelch out any dissenting opinion to their actions and policies. They use force and threats, even within their own party (Arlin Spector), to force their radical agenda.

So, why did so many cabinet members leave at the end of Clinton's first term? Reagan's? You don't suppose it could be because they have other things they'd like to do or that they feel they can no longer be effective, or they do not like the direction the administration is heading, or they's like to get back to the private sector or 100 other reason's, do you? I think you may have a case of mental constipation on this point.

Look at the number of people who left, their positions (Ashcroft not counting) and ask the question. Each person who left a cabinet position had a differing opinion on one aspect of the Bush Administration.

You still ignore the crux of the question. Bush eliminating any dissenting opinion. It's the kind of action that leads to failure. Watching how he runs this country, it's no wonder why he has failed so miserably as a business man. He lacks the knowledge and foresight to accept costructive criticism, and will stick to a single beleif, no matter how wrong, until the end. He doesn't have the mental capacity to observe, ask questions, formulate an opinion and act. Instead his thought process is formulate an opinion, gather evidence that supports your opinion, discredit any dissentors and act. It's the quickest path to destruction. History shows us that, just look at the past for other examples. Napolean, Hitler, Rome et all.

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I think it is safe to say that the balance our founding fathers put in the constitution are gone. Those in power will do nothing to stop at keeping it, including rigging elections. They are the Anti-americans and history will show this. It's just amazing to me that so many others believe in this radical un-American form of government.

I think it is equally safe to say you are just plain wrong. Wordy, but wrong.

If you think I am wrong, that is just your opinion. You are a neo-conservative, so I would expect your opinion to be along the Bushivecks. I would expect nothing less.

Sorry, but only time will tell, and by looking at past history, actions which caused the fall of other governments/armies, I know I'm right.

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gungasnake wrote:

Joe Republican wrote:

And my suggestion for you is to try to use this once in a while....

I attempted to explain the true nature of the philosophical basis of naziism and I'm a "hate monger" or, in the case of people parroting the democrat litany against George W. Bush and the operation in Iraq I noted that Bush basically had two choices, i.e. eliminate Islam or do what he has tried to do and, again, I'm the "hate monger"

Umm, when you say things such as

gungasnake wrote:

Me, I'd have levelled Mecca and Medina, and banned the practice of Islam not only in America but throughout the world.

It IS hate filled, no matter how you look at it.

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Sorry, pal, I don't buy it and I don't think a whole lot of people bought it last Nov. 2, or at least not the ones who gave it any real thought.

Real thought??? You mean like some of your other posts, which list such sources as rense, to claim you know what your talking about? You mean like how our oceans came from Mars? How the 2 planets came sooo close, and we ended up with Mars' oceans? Real thought? That's a laugh.

Funny gunga, but people with a post graduate degree, voted for Kerry over Bush by 11 points. I guess all those with "real thought" aren't educated huh.

You, gunga, are a republicans wet dream.

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I think you are falling for propaganda from the left when you say he is surrounding himself with nothing but yes men. Lieberman was offered the post of Homeland Security Secretary. He turned it down. Every position in Bush's cabinet will be filled by people qualified to do the job, not because they are yes men.

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I didn't realize that you were quoting Gungasnake. I apologize. I do not agree with him either.

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McGentrix wrote:

I think you are falling for propaganda from the left when you say he is surrounding himself with nothing but yes men. Lieberman was offered the post of Homeland Security Secretary. He turned it down. Every position in Bush's cabinet will be filled by people qualified to do the job, not because they are yes men.

It's the yes mentality that scares me. Look at the memo Goss sent down to the CIA. It's scary to have a dissenting opinion stompped out.

I have family members who work in intel and they have the same opinion. They present information and reports on the actual facts of the situation, it gets filtered by the top brass and the dissenting opinions are often removed from the reports. It's a scary place.

I was not aware of Liebermann, but at least it shows some foresight. I would prefer to have somebody like Liebermann then Kierk anyways. It's a position which I feel needs to seperate from this administration.

I always like to hear an opposite opinion about my performance, and try to rectify my mistakes. It makes me a better person as a whole and it allows me to grow as an individual. I just think our president should have these traits as well. I have seen nothing along these lines, and it actually looks like it's the other way.

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I didn't realize that you were quoting Gungasnake. I apologize. I do not agree with him either.

No Problem, I just wanted you to know I wasn't comparing Bush to Hitler, but showing why people do it. I was using gunga's post as an example of why people think this way.

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Joe Republican wrote:

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I attempted to explain the true nature of the philosophical basis of naziism and I'm a "hate monger" or, in the case of people parroting the democrat litany against George W. Bush and the operation in Iraq I noted that Bush basically had two choices, i.e. eliminate Islam or do what he has tried to do and, again, I'm the "hate monger"

Umm, when you say things such as

gungasnake wrote:

Me, I'd have levelled Mecca and Medina, and banned the practice of Islam not only in America but throughout the world.

It IS hate filled, no matter how you look at it..

If you can't do a better job than that of quoting me in context I'd appreciate it if you didn't quote me.

The context is that levelling the centers of a religion and banning the religion would have been a reasonable reaction to having representatives of that religion level lower Manhatten and then have it come out that large numbers of adherents of that religion living in and around NY apparently knew that something was afoot but did not bother to tell anybody, BUT THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD RATHER TRY WHAT GEORGE W. BUSH HAS TRIED FIRST and again, since my original statement DID include such language, I will ask you to either do a more honest job of quoting me in future time or to refrain from quoting me.

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The context is that levelling the centers of a religion and banning the religion would have been a reasonable reaction to having representatives of that religion level lower Manhatten and then have it come out that large numbers of adherents of that religion living in and around NY apparently knew that something was afoot but did not bother to tell anybody, BUT THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD RATHER TRY WHAT GEORGE W. BUSH HAS TRIED FIRST and again, since my original statement DID include such language, I will ask you to either do a more honest job of quoting me in future time or to refrain from quoting me.

Here's the thing: it isn't a reasonable reaction to bomb mecca and medina, even when you put it in context. I'm not even sure you know what reasonable means.

Cycloptichorn

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I don't agree with the bombing of mecca or medina. But I do think that muslim immigrants should be eliminated or severely restricted. This is a non violent solution to trying to reduce terrorism risk.

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australia wrote:

I don't agree with the bombing of mecca or medina. But I do think that muslim immigrants should be eliminated or severely restricted. This is a non violent solution to trying to reduce terrorism risk.

If you're going to have Islam in a western nation, then there simply have to be rules. For instance, having the sermons for all American mosques faxed over here on Friday afternoons from Rihyadisn't religious tolerance or anything of the like; it's infiltration. Picture what FDR would have done had it turned out that the sermons for all Lutheran churches in America were being faxed over here from Berlin in 1939. That's right, the Lutheran church would have ceased to exist in America and its leaders would have been rounded up and they'd have disappeared.

Consider that two guys with two-digit IQs, an old car and a rifle which could have been a $200 black-powder muzzle-loading deer rifle for all the use they made of its more advanced features, put the entire D.C./Baltimore region into a state of outright panic for three months and then try to picture what might happen were two or three hundred such people to set out on such a mission at the same time.

Gun control obviously is not the answer to that one; what is needed is ISLAM CONTROL. Put several thousand guys with two-digit IQs in front of the death-to-America sermans which are preached out there in LA long enough and the results are predictable.

Or the thing they call "PrIslam", the large scale islammic ministry in American prisons. Allowing that to go on is a formula for suicide.

Islam isn't like other religions and it cannot be treated as such.

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Congratulations! You've made my signature line.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Here's the thing: it isn't a reasonable reaction to bomb mecca and medina, even when you put it in context. I'm not even sure you know what reasonable means.

Cycloptichorn

I',m beginning to see some of the problem here. A few of you guys clearly figure I'm the first person to whom the idea of nuking Mecca has ever occurred, which clearly makes me some sort of a pervert or something. In other words, you're not getting out much...

Try a few of these:

http://home.granderiver.net/~capnjim/fr/lesson_learned.jpg

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1247286/posts?page=13#13

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Someone here described him as a "7th century L. Ron Hubbard"(founder of Scientology). Like Hubbard, he invented a truly weird cult, but he was much more dangerous than Hubbard.

For one thing, he came into a world where Christianity had been seriously divided by the Arian heresy and had not yet recovered, making it much easier for him to spread his poison. Secondly, he came into a pagan, primitive, tribal Arab civilization (Mecca had its moon rock and was a pilgrimage site long before Mohammed was born) in an area where many tribes had made their living through banditry and violence for so long that it was simply the normal way of life, with the result that nobody was surprised to see a "prophet" setting out to destroy his enemies by the sword and make blood run in the streets.

Dante put Mohammed in Hell, and in my mind, there is no Hell low enough for him.

http://www.muslimamerica.net/fr/a3ba4d46d190d.htm#7

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This is, indeed, a jihad, a holy war, and it can only be won by destroying the religious leaders who launched it. It is my bet that, should we present a believable threat to nuke Mecca, the Saudis would turn Usama over in a New York minute.

http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/wallace/wallace17.html

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We should do like National Review's nancy-boy Rich Lowry suggested--nuke Mecca and Medina ! Admittedly, nuclear weapons can be pretty dirty. Those two cities might be uninhabitable for a while, but you know the old saying, can't fuse the desert sand without vaporating a lot of people.

http://68.166.163.242/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=66962

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NUKE MECCA
BUT GOOD

299. To: ktjr (#294)

The 'nuke Mecca' crowd

Well it sure whipped Japan into shape.

Nuclear bombs obviously are a weapon of peace.

http://www.bintjbeil.com/A/araa/020929_meccanuke.html

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We will nuke Mecca. You started it. Now the only way
to dispell the images of your foul religion destroying the
WTC is turn your your precious city into a smoking hole
in the ground. This will happen. God will send one of our
Christian bomber pilots or submarine captians against your
foul religion of hate.

http://boards.screenprinters.net/viewthread/16/102163

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Subject: Anyone seen any "Nuke Mecca" bumper stickers?

http://www.bumperart.com/ProductImages/2004080306_Display-25.gif

http://www.bumperart.com/ProductsList.aspx?CategoryId=93

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NUKE MECCA
Special Price: $4.25
Add Bumper Sticker To Cart
Customize This Sticker

http://www.iamawolf.com/alone/000177.php

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May 12, 2004
Time for a Crusade

I just got done watching the uncensored version of the murder of Nick Berg. These pictures, graphic as they are, are tame compared to the video. **** it. I say nuke Mecca over and over again. Then do it some more. Also I think we should start putting pressure on Israel to rebuild their temple and launch the "rock" back into space.

http://elists.resynthesize.com/gabber/2003/04/400968/

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From: gabber mouse ( [EMAIL REMOVED] )
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Subject: [gabber] Nuke Mecca tshirts for sale!

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- "Nuke Mecca" large type on front of t-shirt

- "Firebomb your neighborhood party store" on th' back

$20 American [no french traitor money!]

- "Allah is gay" also available

Or do your own google search on "nuke mecca".....

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Gunga, just because a lot of people believe something does not make it right. Look at how many people here believe the Bush is a moron. Certainly they are not the first to think that, but as we know, they are wrong.

Just as it is wrong to believe that all Muslims are bad people and that we should nuke their religious centers. It's stupid to blame the majority for the acts of the minority.

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McGentrix wrote:

Gunga, just because a lot of people believe something does not make it right. Look at how many people here believe the Bush is a moron. Certainly they are not the first to think that, but as we know, they are wrong.

Just as it is wrong to believe that all Muslims are bad people and that we should nuke their religious centers. It's stupid to blame the majority for the acts of the minority.

You have to have been following this one for a while to comprehend it. I never advocated nuking Mecca. What I did say was that my first instinct would have been to Nuke Mecca but that a reasonable person would want to try what George W. Bush has done first, and that those two were about the only two options Bush had at the time of 9/11.

"Joe Republican" appears to be a sort of a master of the out of context quote and is on some sort of a smear and demonize campaign.

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Imagine buying one of those "nuke mecca" or "allah is gay" t shirts. I wonder how long you would survive walking through paris or berlin wearing one of those.

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australia, there are a number of places in America where you wouldn't be safe with one of those either. Some Detroit suburbs come to mind as well as several neighborhoods in Harlem and other African-American enclaves in major cities.

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You would sell heaps of them after a terrorist boming!

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Merry Andrew wrote:

australia, there are a number of places in America where you wouldn't be safe with one of those either. Some Detroit suburbs come to mind as well as several neighborhoods in Harlem and other African-American enclaves in major cities.

Amongst the things in this world which do not compute or make any kind of sense to me, the idea of a black person wanting to be a muslim is real close to the top of the list. You'd think that any sort of contact with history books would cure the condition.

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