Interesting Take On Hitler / Religion/ Bush By M. Farrell

I am not talking about the muslims, I am talking about people with totally left views in relation to muslim immigration. I am not against muslim immigrants but believe that a country's number one priority is to the people who live there. Immigration policy if anything should err on the side of caution.

You'd never know it from the conduct of muslims living in and around NY and NJ. There was substantial evidence that many muslims living in the region knew that something was going down, and never bothered to tell anybody about it.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/prior_knowledge_of_sept_11_not_just_urban_legend.htm

Not to put too fine a point on it, but Gott mit Uns on German army belt buckles was a holdover from the days of the Kaiser, not a Nazi innovation. The German troops wore those same buckles in WW I.

Idaho -- as for jaywalking, I do know what you mean. But consider this. Could it be simply that laws -- even pedestrian traffic laws -- are more strictly enforced in some parts of the world than others? I once got a citation for jaywalking in Salt Lake City, UT. Like any effete easterner, I looked carefully both ways, saw that no traffic was approaching from either direction, and blithely crossed the street against a red light. Any normal person in NYC or Washington, DC or Boston would do that. A cop on a scooter was there in a flash and gave me a $25 ticket for jaywalking. I had difficulty beleiving it, wanted to ask him if we were on Candid Camera.

gungasnake -- what is your point in quoting a rabid creationist like Sir Arthur Keith? Whether or not Hitler subscribed to evolutionary theory, as most people with at least a 5th grade education do, is hardly relevant. Most Catholic priests and a large number of Protestant ministers are very reluctant to speak up in favor of a Biblical myth, i.e. creationism. This does not make Hitler unique, evil or anything else.

I enjoying reading the article, squinney, but I do think Ms. Farrell is reaching a little bit here to make her point.

gungasnake, what is the general feeling in USA from the average american about muslim immigrants?

The United States is a big country in which it's fairly easy for a group of a few million people to sort of lose themselves and so we haven't had the kinds of friction you see in Holland yet. Nonetheless I suspect it's coming. The head of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations) has publically stated that Islam is not in America to be another religion, but to take over. In my view, the bill of rights is not a suicide pact. I believe that ultimately, in western nations and in nations which are not Islammic and which wish to preserve some cultural heritage and basis other than Islam, Islam will have to either be banned, or SEVERELY controlled.

I agree with your views Gungasnake on the controlling of islam in western nations. There is a theory that Muslims have children as a means of spreading Islam. That is why in a lot of muslim families, there are 7 or 8 children. Maybe in USA you might be able to control it but no way in Europe. Europe is way gone. Countries like France and Germany are basically dictated by Islamic groups, and they go along with it, in fear of reprisals. It is good to read your views and know that at least I am not the only one in the world who thinks this way.

So you are saying that you bet there are no relatives of those who died at the WTC who happen to have left views concerning muslim immigrants? By that logic do you think everyone with rightist views have relatives who died on 9/11?

This kind of conspiracy theory is every bit of as "hysterical" (the operative word for the next few days I guess) as the theory that the Jews knew about the attack before hand.

In m y view, this one is not a conspiracy theory; more like a real problem with loyalties.

Well, if it is a real problem, you certainly will post some proofs.

(proof, like in "the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact b : the process or an instance of establishing the validity of a statement especially by derivation from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning")

Meanwhile, in other news:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/11/1119_031119_rorqualwhale.html

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articles/2004/12/04/news/wyoming/835f726da39128a787256f5f006be02d.txt

Not to forget this one here

Walter, apparently the price of oil isn't fair either. (I'm a member of cheftochef, btw, heh heh, but that was a nice link.) Dang them foreigners with some vision....

I don't think you can really compare Hitler with Bush. Completely seperate circumstances and ideals.

Pssssst .... Einerjar .... while you were'nt lookin, that party moved over HERE

You did that while i was posting.

Here's my problems with you gunga, and most of christianity. You profess to be devoutly religious, yet you spew out some of the most vile and hate filled articles and opinions on this board. You also lack a sense of logic and hold a lot of your opinions to "faith". You believe in creationism instead of evolution, which is fine, but It shows your lack of knowledge for the scientific method, and your acuteness when posed other views. Maybe it's underlying questions you have in your own faith which come across as hate filled, radical posts. I don't know, but you definitely show a lack of knowledge concerning other dissenting views and beliefs.

Is this what christianity is about? Levelling Mecca, bombing the Middle East and ridding the world of muslims? Look at some of your posts and replace the word Muslim with Jew. Now you can see why there are comparisons between Hitler and Bush.

As for the other posters, one said Hitler was not christian. Well, tell that to all of the Germans he professed christianity to. You should read Mein Kampf before you start saying things like "Hitler was not christian". It isn't what Hitler's inner beliefs were, but his presentation of his beliefs to his people is what really matters. Here is a quick list of some of his speeches from the original article.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

As for the article, and the original topic of the thread, it poses many good questions and parallels between Hitler and Bush. It also shows how Hitler came to use christianity to rally his people. He believed in an intermingling of church and state (sound familiar) and use "god" in many of his speeches.

Another poster said "This could never happen in this country because of separation of powers". Well, I beg to differ. Our founding fathers set up the constitution in order to promote the minority viewpoint. That is why we have three branches of government. They believed that the only correct decisions were made when all of the constituents were heard. Well, now our separation of powers is gone. Our country is controlled by the radical right, who uses tactics boarding on treason, to force all others to agree with them. I can come up with numerous facts for the above, but it's how we are operating right now.

Why do you think there were so many cabinet people leaving? Because they want all "yes" men around them. They want to squelch out any dissenting opinion to their actions and policies. They use force and threats, even within their own party (Arlin Spector), to force their radical agenda.

I think it is safe to say that the balance our founding fathers put in the constitution are gone. Those in power will do nothing to stop at keeping it, including rigging elections. They are the Anti-americans and history will show this. It's just amazing to me that so many others believe in this radical un-American form of government.

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