Diversity of Everything but Thought

Foxfyre wrote:

Most I believe would agree with the article that started this thread. A couple are more likely to deny their liberal ideology even while they impose it on their students.

And I believe you haven't the slightest clue about that which you speak.

Let's leave it at that, shall we?

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Okay PDiddie as we all know you are far more knowledgeable of the temperament and ideology of my relatives and of what I do and do not know than I am.

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Well, if you desire to prove me wrong, have your relatives weigh in here, or perhaps you could have Gallup or some other allegedly reputable non-biased source poll them and then post the results here.

Until then, posting that you 'believe' you know what your relatives think is just not going to be accepted as evidence of anything except your own foolishness.

I'm sure faith carries a lot of weight in your family, but it remains an unreliable source of empirical conclusion.

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And, as we all know, the universe revolves around foxfyre and his extended family... because they BELIEVE it to be so.

Take comfort from the prospect that they will be judged by their own standards and hoisted by their own petard.

"...forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"... spells it all out pretty clearly, I think.
The sanctimonious seem to be digging themselves a pretty deep chasm... ah, well, "divide and conquer"; it's good enough for bin Laden, it's no wonder the other ideologues and demagogues are embracing the tactic!

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Some of it has to do with common sense, I think. When a college refuses to hoist the American flag right after 9/11/01 because they're afraid it might make a few Muslim students "uncomfortable", I think they've taken political correctness a bit too far.

When a student handbook tells students to avoid using the terms "boyfriend" and "girlfriend", and rather use the terms "lover" and "partner", because the former might just be too inflammatory to more "sensitive" students, I think they've taken political correctness a bit too far.

When a conservative student is arrested for passing out fliers advertising an event and later expelled, I think that's a clear case of denying him his right to free speech. (The ACLU agreed).

When students are threatened with physical harm because of their political beliefs and the school administration ignores it, I think that's just plain stupidity on their part.

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revel wrote:

I got an anniverssary coming up and we usually go somewhere, I might suggest Louisville and try to bargain my into seeing the musuems. (not my husband's sort of thing)

aww, tell the old man to quit grousing and put on the sunday go to meetin' duds. you might be able to entice him with a promise to take him up to the roof of the galt house (which is right on the river) for a cold "falls city" beer. my wife gets me to do what she wants using that method on a regular basis. but with me, it's an inexpensive import german bier called henninger's ( thank you trader joe's ). :wink:

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There's always the Louisville Slugger tour Smile

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and churchill downs !

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Land of fast horses and beautiful women Smile

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Several things:

JW Wrote:

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So, Cyclo, just so I'm sure...you're saying that if a student prefers not to have to listen to a liberal professor (in an Engineering class) rant for 45 minutes on nothing remotely connected to the course, that student has to put up or shut up? Transfer?

And that's your idea of fair?

Just so I'm sure.

Let's look at what I wrote directly before this:

Cycloptichorn Wrote:

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Only if he has radical, liberal ideas about the way things should be engineered; otherwise, why is he talking about politics instead of teaching? And besides, you don't HAVE to listen if you don't want to; feel free to transfer to Bob Jones University

There's no reason for any professor to be discussing any topic on a regular basis other than the one they are teaching. If someone continually does this, they are literally stealing from the students, who are paying to be instructed in some other topic.

If a professor is acting inappropriately, that's one problem; your 'liberal bias' accusations are a completely different matter.

Fox Wrote:

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Well why, unlike Cyclop, I don't accept anecdotal evidence as the way things are everywhere, I do have relatives who have been (or are) college professors. Most I believe would agree with the article that started this thread. A couple are more likely to deny their liberal ideology even while they impose it on their students.

As has been pointed out so well by Pdiddie, Fox, you ARE accepting anecdotal evidence.

The difference is, MY evidence is first-hand; you haven't taught or taken courses at a college in years, so what do you really know of the current atmosphere? Not much, and there's little doubt that what opinions you DO have are colored by your, shall we say, imaginative political beliefs.

JW Again:

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When a conservative student is arrested for passing out fliers advertising an event and later expelled, I think that's a clear case of denying him his right to free speech. (The ACLU agreed).

I agree with ya. I think in this case, it was a case of over-reaction on the part of the school admin's; they saw the flier (which, honestly, was not a very good explanation of the event in question), assumed it was something bad/racist, and took action. Later on, they were too stubborn to admit they had made a mistake.

I'm a big believer in free speech, so I would definately have sided with the student in this case. I'm not against conservatism, or the expression of conservative ideas; I just don't agree with the concept that liberalism is being 'forced' on college students, because it doesn't match up to the reality of college life today. I'll tell you one thing, if you have a ton of proffessors of psych, socio, and economics telling you about how badly things are being run today, it might actually be a sign that things are going badly; NOT an inherent bias towards a group.

Cycloptichorn

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JustWonders wrote:

Some of it has to do with common sense, I think. When a college refuses to hoist the American flag right after 9/11/01 because they're afraid it might make a few Muslim students "uncomfortable", I think they've taken political correctness a bit too far.

there is never a good reason to fear displaying the american flag inside the united states. there are occassions when it is understandable to question the motives of the person doing the waving though. burning the flag sucks. but is not illegal. nor should it be, because that would actually damage the concepts that the flag represents. Shocked

JustWonders wrote:

When a student handbook tells students to avoid using the terms "boyfriend" and "girlfriend", and rather use the terms "lover" and "partner", because the former might just be too inflammatory to more "sensitive" students, I think they've taken political correctness a bit too far.

sensitive, shmensitive! every right headed person knows that the correct terms of endearment in this situation are "dawg" and "bee-yawtch".

JustWonders wrote:

When a conservative student is arrested for passing out fliers advertising an event and later expelled, I think that's a clear case of denying him his right to free speech. (The ACLU agreed).

that's a sticky wicket, jw. remember when the dixie chicks flap ( flap? brawk,brawk, brawk. ) was goin' down. the uber-rightists stood up and pronounced that "yes they have the right to free speech. but they must be understand that they are liable for the consequences. harrumphh!". so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, to be fair. so when it effects your team, ya can't cry "fowl". uh, i mean "foul".

personally, i think free speech is free speech. unless it's you're advocating violence, "the man" needs to but out.

JustWonders wrote:

When students are threatened with physical harm because of their political beliefs and the school administration ignores it, I think that's just plain stupidity on their part.

well, going to school where and when i did, i encountered this a few times. and not just from other students. one crazed red neck mother of a teacher (hah!) / football coach decided he "don't like my f***ing hippie mouth and girlie hair" and bounced me off a locker a couple of times. i was in the 9th grade. nothing happened then either.

from what i read and hear, it seems like violence in general, and for any or no reason, is up.

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JustWonders wrote:

Land of fast horses and beautiful women

<And no....it's not the other way around LOL>

<sighhhh> yeah, and more's the pity... :wink:

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sensitive, shmensitive! every right headed person knows that the correct terms of endearment in this situation are "dawg" and "bee-yawtch".

Biznatch is also considered PC.

Cycloptichorn

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that's a sticky wicket, jw. remember when the dixie chicks flap ( flap? brawk,brawk, brawk. ) was goin' down. the uber-rightists stood up and pronounced that "yes they have the right to free speech. but they must be understand that they are liable for the consequences. harrumphh!". so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, to be fair. so when it effects your team, ya can't cry "fowl". uh, i mean "foul".

Not even remotely close, DTOM. The Chicks were criticised, but this student was expelled (after being arrested).

After paying him $40,000 when they realized they'd lost the case, the administration of Cal Poly still refused to expunge his record (wherein he was accused of "disruption").

They were again threatened with legal action and eventually Hinkle's record was cleared.

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JustWonders wrote:

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that's a sticky wicket, jw. remember when the dixie chicks flap ( flap? brawk,brawk, brawk. ) was goin' down. the uber-rightists stood up and pronounced that "yes they have the right to free speech. but they must be understand that they are liable for the consequences. harrumphh!". so what's good for the goose is good for the gander, to be fair. so when it effects your team, ya can't cry "fowl". uh, i mean "foul".

Not even remotely close, DTOM. The Chicks were criticised, but this student was expelled (after being arrested).

sure it is jw. the d.c.s were not just criticised, the were savaged. i got on the natalie maines site to send an email. they had a message board. you wouldn't believe some of the filthy, disgusting stuff some people were putting up there. really. said it before; bein' a musician, i don't shock easy. but wow! those people were out of control.

not to mention the whole boycott the chicks, lipton etc. routine. death threats.

btw, what was it that the expelled student was saying or handing out?

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I remember the Dixie Chicks getting hauled over the coals. It was the thing to do at the time.

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DTOM, I cannot equate the criticism of entertainers with the actions of a college administration against a student, who sought to suppress his right to free speech.

The Dixie Chicks' careers may or may not be impacted and is a matter of opinion by their fans, but no one attempted to silence them.

This student's whole life could have been ruined by the action of Cal Poly's administration, had they not "seen the light" and cleared him of wrongdoing.

"The flier merely announced a campus speech, but some students at the campus Multicultural Center found the flier "offensive." Cal Poly has agreed to expunge student Steve Hinkle's disciplinary record relating to the incident, to cease interfering with his right to post fliers, and to pay significant attorney's fees. The settlement of the lawsuit ends a victorious year-long campaign organized by FIRE and the Center for Individual Rights to restore fundamental rights and liberties to this public university."

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/case/14.html/

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JW,

While your argument that this kid shouldn't have been harrassed is a good one, it doesn't really apply to what we have here.

Why? Let's look at why the problem happened in the first place:

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The incident that led to the lawsuit occurred on November 12, 2002, when Hinkle attempted to post a flier in the common area of the campus Multicultural Center that advertised a speech by Mason Weaver, author of the book It's OK to Leave the Plantation. Weaver argues that dependence on government puts many African Americans in circumstances similar to slavery. The flier displayed only the title of the book, the time and place of the event, and a picture of the author. Several students at the Multicultural Center objected that the poster was "offensive."

This case had nothing to do with Conservatism or Liberalism at all. It had everything to do with a guy who put up a sign that said 'it's okay to leave the plantation,' with a picture of a black guy on it, and the time of a meeting. Some people were offended b/c he didn't exactly go out of his way to make it clear what he was saying, and there's no doubt in my mind that he did exactly that on purpose. That's it.

It has nothing to do with any 'Bias,' just poor judgement on the kids' part when creating the flier, followed by poor judgement on the Universities' part by not figuring out what the hell was going on faster.

Cycloptichorn

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If I recall correctly, the fliers and posters also had the author's name in plain view.

Any intelligent person would do his own research before committing his time to attending an event.

That Cal Poly let this go to court not once, but almost TWICE, speaks volumes about THEIR judgement, I think.

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According to the site YOU posted, the Author's name wasn't on the flier.

Even if it was, it still gave no description of what the event was about. Evidentaly some people saw the flier and figured someone was being a jerk (This happens often enough; we get the KKK putting up fliers here at UT Austin often enough).

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Any intelligent person would do his own research before committing his time to attending an event.

The people who saw the flier had no intention of attending the event at all; they just saw what they percieved to be a racist flier (which is completely understandable, seeing as the wording is pretty poor) and proceeded to complain to the university about it.

The University then proceeded to over-react, which lead to the whole mess.

Once again; this issue has nothing to do with Liberals or any percieved 'liberal bias.'

Cycloptichorn

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