Diversity of Everything but Thought

Lash ... please don't call Setanta a weenie.

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DrewDad wrote:

Lash wrote:
Either your being intentionally obtuse, or you haven't kept up with the thread.

Read either of the articles I posted.

Well,

a) I'm not the one who's slower than a turtle crawling through peanut butter.
Do you have any evidence to support that opinion?
b) I've read the entire thread. I've been involved with it for quite some time.
Yes. You'll never find me saying such asinine **** as 'you're being intentionally obtuse' unless I'm re-issuing it to someone who said it to me under similar circumstances. .
c) Let's take a look: "Opinion: In Defense of Intellectual Diversity."
You should be told that many times opinion articles can cite fact that led them to their opinion. The word "opinion" doesn't negate the presence of fact.

Tico,

DrewDad insinuated that I am a turtle, indifferent to neatness. I feel Weenie is a marginal infraction in comparison. Can I get a ruling, please?

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And so, Lash, your research, being thorough, careful and scientific (so as not to prejudice your conclusions) found what peer-review literature on the study?

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Watch out, Blatham, peer-review is one of those Liberal Elite ideas that regular god-fearing Americans just don't need.

Cycloptichorn

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As soon as anybody puts up evidence with density they all run off.

We have been weightless for some time on Spoonerisms.Put some weight on and it's vamoosh.

And the celibacy thing.That's shifted a good deal of stuff.

So Yep-Setanta is quite correct.It's a liberal argument technique.Asert till you are found out and then shout crude insults whilst running off to assert to a fresh set of innocents.Repeat ad finitum.It's habit forming so if it is done once it will likely be a general feature and not just on the threads.
It might be something to do with rootless,urban alienation and the language of shifting planes.Or maybe it is what Stanley Cohen called "Controltalk"
which is a form of Newspeak or Doublethink or Ingsoc.These subdivide into euphemism,medicalism, psychologism,acronyms and technobabble which are the normal modes of thought and expression of the chattering classes in their unending will to power.The general idea is to eventually render all other modes of thought impossible and thus leave the chattering class in command of the scene.
In 1984 opposition was exterminated,or more appropriately administratively processed in adjustment centres.
Wieghted evidence is of course despised because it brings discussion to a halt and blocks the avenues of promotion to those levels of the bureaucracy where "clients" don't exist.(Weber I think).The zones of discourse (Foucault) are chosen for their usefulness in this regard.Hence no scientists if one is alert to unsupported assertions claiming that exalted status.Real science being a little difficult to understand as well as having wieght.
It works according to Veblen's principle that waste= status and use = odium which so percolates our societies and which cannot do other than prove economically disastrous.

A translation of-"The outcome variables appear only poorly related to the initially determined programme objectives" into "we ballsed it up" is not common in Controltalk.The former pays better because it wastes more time and paper and can only be formulated by experts in introverted power structures.

A course in William Burroughs can clear the head.

One thing is certain and that is if you don't know which side you are on in this you are putty.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Lash ... please don't call Setanta a weenie.

Thank you, i feel so vindicated.

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Seeking to feel vindicated is a well known characterisic of "weenies".

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Watch out, Blatham, peer-review is one of those Liberal Elite ideas that regular god-fearing Americans just don't need.

Cycloptichorn

Yes. Of course. Cyclo would be the resource for peer-reviewed studies, as she can, I'm sure, link her use of them in her dazzling history here. Because, someone who demands certain behavior from others while they have never done it herself would show herself to be a hypocritical fool.

At any rate, awaiting an example of Cyclo's scholarly sources, backing up her material. I'm sure she wouldn't leave her butt hanging out on an easily identifiable lie.

God, the contortions assumed to avoid admitting you're wrong.

Since your contingent hasn't bothered to find peer review for MoveOn.org or any other of your agenda driven sources, I can't imagine how you think anyone else would be so inclined.

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Spendius writes

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So Yep-Setanta is quite correct.It's a liberal argument technique.Asert till you are found out and then shout crude insults whilst running off to assert to a fresh set of innocents.Repeat ad finitum.It's habit forming so if it is done once it will likely be a general feature and not just on the threads.

Which side are you criticizing here if indeed this is a criticism?

A rough summary of progress (re this thread) to date:

The left:
1) Mostly dismisses the existence of a disparity of diversity of thought on college campuses.
2) Mostly dismisses any confidence that any harm results from a disparity of diversity of thought on college campuses.
3) Mostly asserts that most or all evidence of disparity of thought on college campuses provided by the opposition has no value in making their case.
4) Mostly has provided only anecdotal evidence to support their views and gives great weight to such evidence.
5) Mostly counts anecdotal evidence by the opposition as worthless.
6) Mostly asserts the reasoning, motives, and opinions of the right as specious.
7) Some have included various analogies that they think are somehow pertinent such as the cultic sacrifices of children.
8) Some have attacked other perceived conservative groups/sources/organizations as relevent to the discussion.
9) Most seem to express that education is adequate despite only exposure to a liberal point of view because the students can get other views elsewhere.
10) All have refused to address a challenge as to whether it would be acceptable for most public college campuses to be strongly conservative to the point liberal students and faculty felt they were being punished or ostracized for their views.
11) All object to any government or outside initiative to change the status quo.

The right:
1) Has posted objective studies from reputable polling organizations clearly demonstrating a huge imbalance in sociopolitical ideology on mainstream American college campuses.

2) Has provided observations from educators as 'expert witnesses' and opinion from right, left, and moderate sources agreeing that there is a problem.

3) Has provided 'eye witness' (anecdotal) accounts from their own experience and from others expressing that this is a problem both for conservative students and for conservative faculty.

4) Views are mixed on whether the government or other outside influences should change the status quo.

Both sides remain intractable in their stances.

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Foxfyre News wrote:

A rough summary of progress (re this thread) to date:

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Do please, finish your post, DrewDad. I haven't the energy to reply to Fox's tour de force in self-congratulatory self-delusion, there, but i would be delighted if you would indulge me, and do so yourself.

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Okay Drewdad, you're the competing station. How would you compile a summary list of points for this thread?

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The same challenge is offered to Setanta.

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I see no points having been made in this thread, simply groundless accusations that universities and the broadcast media are dominated by "liberals." As not a shred of reliable evidence has been adduced in support of such a contention, there are no points to review.

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Lash wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Watch out, Blatham, peer-review is one of those Liberal Elite ideas that regular god-fearing Americans just don't need.

Cycloptichorn

Yes. Of course. Cyclo would be the resource for peer-reviewed studies, as she can, I'm sure, link her use of them in her dazzling history here. Because, someone who demands certain behavior from others while they have never done it herself would show herself to be a hypocritical fool.

At any rate, awaiting an example of Cyclo's scholarly sources, backing up her material. I'm sure she wouldn't leave her butt hanging out on an easily identifiable lie.

God, the contortions assumed to avoid admitting you're wrong.

Since your contingent hasn't bothered to find peer review for MoveOn.org or any other of your agenda driven sources, I can't imagine how you think anyone else would be so inclined.

lash

You take the coward's way out.

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Setanta wrote:

I see no points having been made in this thread, simply groundless accusations that universities and the broadcast media are dominated by "liberals." As not a shred of reliable evidence has been adduced in support of such a contention, there are no points to review.

Actually, I'll concede the point that academia leans left (even leans severely left).

What I'll not concede is that this actually affects the quality of education that students are getting. Nor has anyone presented any compelling evidence of such a degredation in quality.

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Okay Setanta condenses his argument down to No. 1 on my list for the left.

I'm hoping Drewdad will draw his conclusions a bit more broadly,

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Here's an item addressed in the "Academic Bill of Rights" that I take issue with:

Lash wrote:

Forcing students to express a certain point of view in assignments.

Now, I see this as a legitimate teaching technique. Don't they use this in law school all the time? Lawyers are taught how to argue either side! The ability to analyze a subject from all sides is a crucial ingredient in critical thinking.

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Holy God! Is this conversation still going on?!?

I agree with DrewDad with the added caveat that I think it is specifically liberal arts (hence the name) and general education in academia that leans left. I think his point has been made several times in this thread by many people. Yet I notice that the "right" just keeps saying that those that don't agree with them deny that there is any bias whatsoever.

And everyone knows by now that Cyclop is a he, right?

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Fox's point one reads: "1) Mostly dismisses the existence of a disparity of diversity of thought on college campuses."

My statement read: "I see no points having been made in this thread, simply groundless accusations that universities and the broadcast media are dominated by "liberals." As not a shred of reliable evidence has been adduced in support of such a contention, there are no points to review. "

These two statements are not remotely similar--all that i have dismissed is the contention that those who proposed that such a disparity exists has been demonstrated by any offering in this thread. I don't deny the premise, i dismiss it as undemonstrated.

However, knowing Fox's limitless capacity for believing that she has never been mistaken about anything at any time in her life, i have no doubt that she will continue to believe that she has effectively pidgeon-holed me. I do fervently hope that it gives her comfort to think as much.

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