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Lash wrote:

I don't know how else one can possibly explain the incredible disparity.

Then you haven't been listening, or are being deliberately obtuse. Go back and read the thread, as several alternate explanations have been suggested.

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ehBeth wrote:

Seems like a bit of wild extrapolation going on there.

This pretty much sums up the whole thread.

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dyslexia wrote:

I had this professor one time, a very well known professor at that, and he was some kinda weirdo liberal radical. Anyway we spent most of our class time pouring sand into craniums of long dead nekid apes. Well, this one time right there in the classroom he wondered aloud (everyone could hear him) he said "I wonder if we would have difference results if we used grains of rice instead of sand?" Well, right off I knew I was never voting conservative again, I was that influenced.

LMAO.

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EXACTLY the book you three need. And by all means, continue to stay away from anything remotely scientific or academic (obviously). Life is a complicated thing and there is no sense at all in doing anything which might further discomfit.

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Man, take a few days off...

Fellow Libs and Moderates, ask yourself the following question: why has this been brought up? Who are the people pushing for this change? What is their greater goal?

I'm sure you'll figure out quickly enough why it is pointless to continue the discussion.

Lash and Fox,

Your personal experiences and that of your children mean nothing at all in this discussion, because there is no evidence whatsoever (as you refuse to provide any) that you aren't bold-face liars. I don't believe a single word of your 'personal accounts.' Once again, we have retreated to the position of "This is how I FEEL about Liberals," as you haven't provided any real, yaknow, evidence to support your position.

The fact that you can't admit/figure out that you haven't provided any real evidence robs you of the credibility that you would need to hold up your side of the argument. Perhaps you should go back to school.

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EXACTLY the book you three need. And by all means, continue to stay away from anything remotely scientific or academic (obviously). Life is a complicated thing and there is no sense at all in doing anything which might further discomfit.

Exactly!

Cycloptichorn

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Seems that the U.K. has its own brand of bias. Not exactly what we have here but interesting nonetheless.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/2288265.stm

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Man, take a few days off...

Fellow Libs and Moderates, ask yourself the following question: why has this been brought up? Who are the people pushing for this change? What is their greater goal?

I'm sure you'll figure out quickly enough why it is pointless to continue the discussion.

Lash and Fox,

Your personal experiences and that of your children mean nothing at all in this discussion, because there is no evidence whatsoever (as you refuse to provide any) that you aren't bold-face liars. I don't believe a single word of your 'personal accounts.' Once again, we have retreated to the position of "This is how I FEEL about Liberals," as you haven't provided any real, yaknow, evidence to support your position.

The fact that you can't admit/figure out that you haven't provided any real evidence robs you of the credibility that you would need to hold up your side of the argument. Perhaps you should go back to school.

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EXACTLY the book you three need. And by all means, continue to stay away from anything remotely scientific or academic (obviously). Life is a complicated thing and there is no sense at all in doing anything which might further discomfit.

Exactly!

Cycloptichorn

You're right cyclop, the discussion has become pointless. The personal experiences really don't establish anything, since we've got personal anecdotes relating to, what, 5 colleges--- out of how many in the country? pretty statistically meaningless, and that goes for my personal experiences too, which i see now were meaningless to add to the thread. what it comes down to is whether or not there is pressure to conform to the professor's viewpoint in a significant number of schools, not just those that Lash, or I, or Lash's children have attended; and if this pressure is resulting in an inordinate number of libs coming out of college (and wouldn't you have to take into account how many people tend to be more liberal when they're young any way?). The country seems to be very evenly diivided between liberals, moderates, and conservatives, so it doesn't seem to be much of a problem so far. I imagine colleges have been predominantly populated by liberal professors for a long time, and it hasn't turned the country pinko yet. If someone finds some studies to relate to this, then that might give some validity to the discussion.

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So if the polling data isn't convincing to you Dora, nor the observations of active educators that have been posted nor the personal observations of any of us or our friends, acquaintances, relatives, etc., what would convince you?

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The first target of the autocrat or tyrant is, almost always, the universities. It simply will not do, in the view of such political animals, to have ideas running about or discourse engaged in which might work at odds to their political power. It is a pretty sure way to spot the bad guys (along with their desire to control, through intimidation or ownership, the news media, and with their desire to wrestle independent institutions such as the courts under their thumb). Singularity of viewpoint - with authority vested only the themselves - is the goal.

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How about a study that shows that kids have actually had their attitudes changed by their profs?

Or one that shows that Liberals cannot keep their bias out of the classes?

Or one that shows the causal link between the readings assigned in college and liberalism?

How about comprehensive listings of readings given in various fields and how Liberal they are?

How about, well, any sort of PROOF other than anecdotal evidence and polling data which, while useful to the idea that there are a preponderance of liberals in Colleges, does not show that this has any affect whatsoever on anyone, in any way?

That would be nice, but you won't provide any of those, because you can't.

Cycloptichorn

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The first target of the autocrat or tyrant is, almost always, the universities. It simply will not do, in the view of such political animals, to have ideas running about or discourse engaged in which might work at odds to their political power. It is a pretty sure way to spot the bad guys (along with their desire to control, through intimidation or ownership, the news media, and with their desire to wrestle independent institutions such as the courts under their thumb). Singularity of viewpoint - with authority vested only the themselves - is the goal.

Blatham, you are absolutely correct.

Cheers

Cycloptichorn

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dora said

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I imagine colleges have been predominantly populated by liberal professors for a long time, and it hasn't turned the country pinko yet.

That's a telling point. As the folks here on a2k who are from other countries and continents continue to advise, the US is far further right in its political policies than pretty much any other advanced nation (who would be close?)

If American universities were indoctrinating their students with 'liberalism' (whatever that means) in any significant way, then this ought to have the consequence of a 'leftie' nation, which the US certainly is not.

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blatham wrote:

EXACTLY the book you three need. And by all means, continue to stay away from anything remotely scientific or academic (obviously). Life is a complicated thing and there is no sense at all in doing anything which might further discomfit.

Well, well. From past experience, I expected much worse. Must be having a thaw in the great white North.

<Life is only as complicated as one chooses to make it>

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JW writes

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blatham wrote:

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EXACTLY the book you three need. And by all means, continue to stay away from anything remotely scientific or academic (obviously). Life is a complicated thing and there is no sense at all in doing anything which might further discomfit.

Well, well. From past experience, I expected much worse. Must be having a thaw in the great white North.

<Life is only as complicated as one chooses to make it>

Oh you poor dear. It's gotten really bad when you have to stretch that far to find a compliment in a post. Smile

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People get sort of testy when they're proven wrong.

Still wrong, though.

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spurious correlations.
My favorite example is to do the following:

Get data on all the fires in San Francisco for the last ten years.
Correlate the number of fire engines at each fire and the damages in dollars at each fire.
Note the significant relationship between number of fire engines and the amount of damage. Conclude that fire engines cause the damage.
Get it Lash?

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Yes. Thank you for an example of a spurious correlation. It is, however, not analogous to what is going on in colleges.

The politics of the overwhelming majority of professors is just one contributory fact.

Liberal views are presented as fact. When they are not fact, this is wrong.

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So you can state without fear of contradiction, Lash, that "liberal views" are presented as fact, to an extent right across the nation, as to make any exceptions negligible proofs of the rule?

You're talking out of your hat . . . this contention is certainly something the politically conservative would like to foist off onto the country, in their latest move to control everyone and everything. But you've yet to prove your thesis, just as conservative ranters have failed to prove this thesis. All we've seen so far in the way of "evidence" has been anectdotal.

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I'm content to wait for further studies to prove additional points.

There was a time not long ago, many here and elsewhere refused to admit the overwhelming dominance of liberals in tenured positions and in the media.

It leaks out drip by drip.

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Overwhelming dominance of liberals in the media . . . oh my god, laughing my ass off . . .

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