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Diversity of Everything but Thought

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 11:14 pm
Finn writes
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It is disappointing that someone as educated and intelligent as Krugman falls into the very trap against which Crichton warns in his book, but then I have so often been disappointed in Krugman, because so often beneath his eloquence is the very sort of irrational assumptions and arguments he pretends to abhor.


I probably don't fault Krugman for taking the liberal road quite so much as you suggest, but I think he is being uncharacteristically disingenuous when he falls into lockstep with the neo-libs and suggests conservatives are mostly wild-eyed religious fanatics who mostly challenge reason, logic, and scientific evidence. While the study itself gives hard facts, he provides no data to support what appears to be purely his own speculations.

And his speculations do not include the most probable reasons there is so much disparity between liberals and conservatives in all university departments, that being the probability that the conservatives are 1) not welcome and/or 2) find the work environment inhospitable and hostile and therefore unsatisfying on all fronts.

And I would need to see some hard data to believe that the large percentage of scientists are liberals.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 11:32 pm
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 11:46 pm
Indeed Baldimo and it would be interesting to discuss the issues raised in the piece you posted. It would be easier to read and discuss, however, if you would edit to put a space between paragraphs. (Oh god, now I've joined the ranks of the spacing police.)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2005 11:52 pm
And here's the view on diversity of thought, multi-culturalism, political correctness and the whole sack of puzzlements from one of those fanatical right-wing religious nuts. I just thought I'd throw it in due to any kind of religiously-influenced values being the most maligned values of all and the least acceptable in academia even though more than 90% of Americans profess some sort of religious belief.. (His sources are cited in the essay and are also footnoted in a rather lengthy bibliography at the end.)

Probe Ministries
Politically Correct Education
Don Closson

The Power of Political Correctness

The media has recently taken notice of a trend in education that has actually been around for some time. This trend has been obvious to anyone well-acquainted with the goings-on in our citadels of higher learning or even on selected high school campuses. The term Political Correctness, or politically correct speech, covers most of the issues involved. Multiculturalism is often given as the driving ethic that prompts one to be politically correct.

At the foundation of this movement is the belief that all education is political. Nowhere in the curriculum can one find a hiding place from race, class, or gender issues. Added to this assumption is the law of moral and ethical relativism: All systems of thought, all cultures, are equal in value. To assume otherwise is politically incorrect by definition.

Just how important this type of thinking is to those who influence our nation's students is reflected by some of their comments. According to Glenn Maloney, assistant dean of students at the University of Texas at Austin, "Multiculturalism will be the key word for education. I believe that will be the mission of the university in the 90's."(1) Donna Shalala, chancellor of the University of Wisconsin at Madison, adds that this movement amounts to "a basic transformation of American higher education in the name of multiculturalism and diversity."(2)

A recent study of the New York school system found that "African Americans, Asian Americans, Puerto Rican/Latinos, and Native Americans have all been the victims of an intellectual and educational oppression that has characterized the culture and institutions of the United States and the European American worlds for centuries."(3)

The report goes on to state, "Unfortunately, stereotyping and misinformation have become part of the dominant culture enveloping everyone. . . . Because of the depth of the problem and the tenacity of its hold on the mind, only the most stringent measures can have significant impact."(4)

And stringent measures are what have occurred. Curricula, admissions policies, the hiring and promotion of faculty, and the freedom to debate issues have all been modified by those who currently define political correctness. There is a growing body of evidence that quota systems are now in place in many admissions offices across the country. Textbooks are being written and courses changed to promote multiculturalism at the expense of teaching about Western Civilization. Professors are unable to teach their courses or participate in the academic enterprise because their views fail to conform to the new guardians of culture.

What is most appalling is the attempt to remove the freedom of speech from students who fail to conform to the correct position on a broad spectrum of topics. What is ironic is that many of those now attempting to limit the freedom of speech of students in the name of multiculturalism are the very same individuals that began the free speech movement in the sixties, arguing for academic freedom and student input into the curriculum. It seems that the issue was more a matter of gaining power to control the curriculum and inject it with their views rather than truly to promote freedom of academic endeavors.

Ethnic Studies
Let's look at a few places where political correctness has had a major impact. In 1988 the Stanford faculty voted to change the Western Culture course, one of the most popular on campus, to "Cultures, Ideas and Values." The fifteen-book requirement was dropped and replaced with the admonition to give substantial attention to issues of race(5) and gender. The reading list now had to include a quota of works by women and minorities. Out goes Shakespeare, in comes Burgos-Debray.

Shakespeare is deemed to be racist, sexist, and classist, a product of the ultimate evil--Western Civilization. French writer Elisabeth Burgos-Debray is, on the other hand, politically correct. One of her works, now part of the Stanford curriculum, describes a Guatemalan woman's struggle against capitalist oppression. She rejects marriage and motherhood and becomes a feminist, a socialist, and finally a Marxist, arguing politics with fellow revolutionaries in Paris. According to the author, this simple Guatemalan woman speaks for all the Indians of the American continent.(6)

Berkeley, Mount Holyoke, and the University of Wisconsin are just a few of the schools where students must take a course in ethnic studies but are not required to take a single course in Western Civilization. At Berkeley, the ethnic studies course is the only required course on campus, and Wisconsin students can graduate without taking any American history. Ohio State has gone even further, revamping its entire curriculum to reflect issues of gender, race, and ethnicity. The chairman of the English department at Pennsylvania State University has remarked, "I would bet that Alice Walker's The Color Purple is taught in more English departments today than all of Shakespeare's plays combined."(7)

An ironic twist to this revolution is that when writings of third- world authors are included in the curriculum, they rarely are the classics from that culture. Instead, they tend to be recent, Marxist, and politically correct works.

Unfortunately, curriculum revisions are not confined to the college campus. The state of New York recently commissioned a committee to review its statewide secondary-school curriculum. The results were a bit startling, to say the least.

According to the report, no topic is culture-free. The Eurocentric, white, American culture currently dominating the curriculum must give way to one which represents all cultures equally. Even math and science were cited as culturally biased because they failed to give credit to contributions from other cultures.(8)

In the social sciences, even more radical demands have been made. One Black Studies professor charges that the current curriculum in New York's high schools reflects "deep-seated pathologies of racial hatred." He argues that time spent studying the U.S. Constitution, which is seriously flawed in his opinion, is grounds for miseducation. He adds that studying the Constitution is egocentric and blatant White Nationalism.(9)

Instruments of Exclusion
In chapter 2 of his book Illiberal Education, Dinesh D'Souza takes up the case of high school senior Yat-pang Au. To make a fairly long story short, Yat- pang received a rejection letter from the University of California at Berkeley in 1987 although he had graduated first in his high school class, scored 1340 on the SAT, earned letters in track and cross-country, served on the student council, and won seven scholarships from groups such as the National Society of Professional Engineers. What went wrong?
It wasn't his credentials. In fact, Yat-pang was considerably above the Berkeley average in his qualifications. His only real problem was his race, and what chancellor Ira Michael Hayman called "a little social engineering." Under Hayman the university began to devalue the importance of merit and achievement in admissions in order to achieve a racially balanced student body, one that reflects the population at large.

As a result, this family of immigrants from Hong Kong found that their son could not go to Berkeley although ten other students from his high school had been accepted with lower qualifications. The policy of racial balance which seemed so fair to Hayman was anything but fair to the Au family.

If Yat-pang had been Hispanic or Black he would have had no problem attending Berkeley. Asians, many of them immigrants, are now being excluded from Berkeley because they happen to be a too-successful minority that values the family and education.

Unfortunately, Berkeley is not the only place one can find this type of discrimination. Harvard, UCLA, Stanford, Brown, and others have been charged with discrimination towards Asians. As D'Souza writes, "Quotas which were intended as instruments of inclusion now seemed to function as instruments of exclusion."(10)

Even if we set aside Yat-pang's individual rights, does this policy make sense for the minorities it is trying to help? Often it does not. D'Souza notes that Blacks and Hispanics admitted under reduced academic requirements do not fare well at Berkeley. In one study, only 18 percent of the Black and 22 percent of the Hispanic affirmative-action students graduated within five years. Almost 30 percent of Black and Hispanic students drop out at the end of their freshman year.(11) Because we have set aside academic preparation as the criterion for admission to our top schools, many students who cannot compete are being admitted. They simply drop out, more frustrated and angry than before.

Another issue that goes hand-in-hand with admissions is the issue of testing itself. Many argue that since some groups do better than others on the SAT, the test is biased. A New York federal judge has ruled that, since women do not do as well as men on the SAT, using the test as a criterion for awarding its Regents and Empire State scholarships violates state law.(12)

What is remarkable about this trend is that testing was installed in the 1920s to fight arbitrary bias in admissions. When one removes testing, which even the critics must agree is still the best way to predict academic success, all other criteria except race and gender are subjective.

In light of this fact, College Board president Donald Stewart, who is black, has argued that the test covers words and ideas necessary for success in college, regardless of cultural background.(13)

Freedom of Speech
Those who consider themselves politically correct have inflicted grave damage on the concept of free speech. It is interesting to note that Christians have endured free-speech restrictions for years, but only recently have others who hold to politically incorrect positions experienced this form of discrimination.
Restrictions on speech come in three different forms on campus. The most widespread form is the conduct code. Another is the refusal to allow conservative speakers to address groups on campus. And last is the censure of faculty members who step outside the sphere of politically correct thought.

The University of Michigan has been a leader in restricting First Amendment rights. Responding to a student radio disc jockey who invited other students to call in their favorite racial jokes, the university began a long crusade to stamp out racism, sexism, and a multitude of other "isms." Instead of just punishing the offender, all students were now under suspicion, and all speech would be monitored carefully.

A new policy on discrimination and discriminatory harassment was approved. It defined as punishable "any behavior, verbal or physical, that stigmatizes or victimizes an individual on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sex, sexual orientation, creed, national origin, ancestry, age, marital status, handicap, or Vietnam-era veteran status."(14)

Debate on these topics was to be restricted in fear that someone might be stigmatized by the discussion. The so-called marketplace of ideas that colleges are supposed to represent had been shrunk down to convenience-store size.

Since one cannot be certain that even the most balanced discussion of a topic such as gay rights or religious cults might not stigmatize a fellow student, one must refrain from entering into that territory. The result of this type of policy is to guarantee a monopoly to the radical Marxist and feminist ideas now being promoted by the faculty and administration on many of our campuses.

Fortunately, this policy was successfully challenged by an unnamed psychology professor who realized that most of the subject matter he dealt with in class might stigmatize someone. In a strange twist, the ACLU was on the right side of this issue and represented the professor. Eventually a U.S. District Court struck down even a modified version of the code. But there are still codes in effect at Emory, Middlebury, Brown, Penn State, Tufts, and the Universities of California, Connecticut, North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and others. Many more schools are considering implementing codes.(15)

Some groups on campus have used more blatant tactics to keep conservatives from speaking. Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Conner, U.N. ambassador Jeanne Kirkpatrick, and Secretary of Health and Human Services Louis Sullivan have all been victims of censorship in the form of gay and pro-abortion groups shouting them down. In one case, black students with clubs disrupted a meeting for the National Association of Scholars, a conservative group of professors, charging that they were actually supported by the Ku Klux Klan.(16)

Another form of censorship is the silencing of faculty. Alan Gribben, a professor at the University of Texas, made the mistake of voting against the politization of a writing course in the English Department. As a result he was ostracized by the department and decided to leave after seventeen years on the faculty.(17)

The "Ism" Proliferation
The goal of the political correctness revolutionaries on campus is the removal of any remnant of racism, sexism, class elitism, and even lookism, the practice of treating people differently because of their looks. There are also specific positions on ecology, foreign and domestic policy, homosexuality, and animal rights that are politically correct.
The hope behind all of this is the creation of a society where each culture and social group is appreciated for its contributions. But the fallout has been to encourage people to find some reason to declare oppression, for it seems that only those who are oppressed are in a position to determine what is politically correct. White, middle-class males are the great Satan incarnate--even the most repentant among them must be watched closely.

Politically correct people argue that they are calling for a philosophy of inclusion. They are not thought police, they say; they are only concerned with correcting centuries of unfairness. In reality the effect of this movement has been to silence or remove from campus those who differ from the politically correct position. If a professor opposes racially based admissions policies, he is racist. If a student holds to religious convictions concerning homosexuality, she is homophobic. The issue really goes beyond mere tolerance; the goal of this movement is to remove opposition to the plans of the radical left.

Since those who are politically correct agree that Western Civilization is the cause of all evil in the world, one might ask what should replace it. Not surprisingly, the writers and heroes of this movement tend to be Marxist, feminist, and gay. It is interesting that Marx, a white male European, is still considered politically correct, although he held quite incorrect views on racial issues (in fact, he spoke positively concerning slavery in America).(18)

If true multiculturalism were the issue, these folks would be calling for the study and implementation of traditional cultures from around the world, which, by the way, are just as racist and far more male-dominated than our own. Whether one looks at Islam or the teachings of oriental traditions, one finds that a dim view is taken of both modern feminist thought and homosexuality.

The tradition of Western thought has been to deal with ideas that transcend race, and it has been anything but homogeneous in its conclusions. The irony of the accusations leveled at Western thought by the politically correct is that the ideas they favor have been most fully developed in America and Europe. Even with all of its faults, Western Civilization has been the most open and tolerant of all societies. It has been eager to find and incorporate ideas that are beneficial from other cultures.

All the important issues considered on our campuses have religious elements. Whether one is considering the uses of technology or the relationships between the sexes, everyone is informed by his or her religious presuppositions. Placing a prior restraint on someone's freedom to speak because he is coming from a different position not only violates our historic view of freedom of speech but also can be used to further remove Christian thought from our schools.

What those in authority on our campuses really hope to accomplish is the unquestioned implementation of a world view that releases man from his moral obligation to a creator God, a God who sees all men and women, regardless of their color, as in need of redemption. As Christian parents and alumni, we need to make certain that colleges remain places where students can seek and find the truth.
http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/pc-educ.html
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 01:09 am
And since I'm in a posting mind-numbingly long articles mode tonight, I might as well post the following as a more scholarly rebuttal of Krugman's article:

The Science Haters
Why Paul Krugman is Wrong Again

By James D. Miller Published 04/06/2005

Republicans are too anti-science to become good professors. That's the essence of Paul Krugman's recent New York Times column explaining why there are so few Republican college professors.

Of course, recent events at Harvard indicate that it's the academic left that rejects science. Harvard's President Larry Summers was castigated for suggesting that politically incorrect science be conducted. Dr. Summers infamously suggested that researchers consider the possibility that biology partially explains the dearth of female science professors. For this comment, his Arts and Science faculty passed a resolution expressing lack of confidence in him, and the presidents of Stanford, MIT and Princeton published a letter saying that "speculation that 'innate differences' may be a significant cause of under representation by women in science and engineering may rejuvenate old myths and reinforce negative stereotypes and biases." So acting with the approval of their leftist faculties, the presidents of Stanford, MIT and Princeton have condemned Larry Summers for the crime of politically incorrect speculation. Nothing could possibly be more anti-scientific then rejecting speculation.

Larry Summers hinted that women on average might not be as qualified as men to be science professors. Paul Krugman wrote that Republicans en masse are categorically not as qualified as everyone else to be professors. Larry Summers was almost universally condemned by academia for his comments, not because they were necessarily wrong, but because it was considered wrong for him to make negative generalizations about an under-represented group. In academia, Republicans are far more under-represented than women are. So if Paul Krugman is not widely condemned by academics it will constitute pretty strong evidence that academia is biased against Republicans.

Many college leftists want more women but fewer Republicans in their ranks. They cite diversity as the reason for desiring more women, but this creates a problem since this diversity rationale would seem to indicate that they should also seek to hire more Republicans. Krugman, therefore, is aiding the intolerant college left by claiming that Republicans are so anti-science that colleges would suffer by having more of them around. Fortunately for Republicans, much of the college left is so hostile to science that even few college professors will accept Krugman's arguments.

Much of the left in humanities departments doesn't believe in science. They feel that it's wrong to privilege scientific over other types of knowledge. Leftists have been known to use literary theory to demonstrate flaws in science. Such anti-scientific silliness lead to the Social Text hoax.

New York University professor of physics Alan Sokal, himself an "unabashed Old Leftist," was bothered by the anti-scientific viewpoints of many left-wing humanities professors. These professors often used their French literary theories to attack science. To prove that these humanities professors actually knew nothing about real science he wrote an article titled "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" agreeing with the leftists' view of science. But as the author himself wrote, his article contained a "mélange of truths, half-truths, quarter-truths, falsehoods, non sequiturs, and syntactically correct sentences that have no meaning whatsoever." The article was, however, published in 1996 by the academic journal Social Text as a serious piece criticizing the scientific method. Only after it appeared did Professor Sokal reveal that his article was a parody. That such an article could get published would surprise few Republican college professors as we well understand how many leftist humanities professors both hate science and are ignorant of its workings.

Krugman correctly points out that self-selection is part of the reason there are so few Republicans in academia. But much of this self-selection is because of leftist bias. For example, consider the academic field of Women's Studies. True, few Republicans will self-select to become Women Studies professors, but only because this field is totally defined in left-wing terms. Similarly, the fields of African-American Studies, History, English and Sociology are increasingly devoted to left-wing topics. A smart undergraduate who tells her academic advisor that she wants to get a Ph.D. focusing on military history will likely be told to go to law school instead because few colleges will consider hiring a military historian. In contrast, if this same undergraduate announced her desire to study how capitalism has promoted environmental racism she would be told of the rich academic job market that will await her after she completes her Ph.D.

Bias against Republicans in academia is an intensely personal issue for me. Smith College recently tried to fire me by denying me tenure. I believe that I was denied tenure for being a conservative. Fortunately, Smith's five person faculty Grievance Committee found that my academic freedom had been violated during my tenure review. As a result I came up for tenure again and this time succeeded. (My story is well told here.) Based on my experience and knowledge of academia, however, I have advised other Republicans to be wary of academic careers.
http://www.techcentralstation.com/040605B.html
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 07:04 am
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Larry Summers was almost universally condemned by academia for his comments, not because they were necessarily wrong, but because it was considered wrong for him to make negative generalizations about an under-represented group.

Really? I thought he was condemned for saying something stupid without any being able to back it up.

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True, few Republicans will self-select to become Women Studies professors, but only because this field is totally defined in left-wing terms.

Now that's just plain funny!

...likely be told to go to law school instead because few colleges will consider hiring a military historian.
This argument is silly, too. The facts of the job market are the facts. Once someone has their Ph.D. then they can research what they want.

And there are places that do hire military historians... but they usually hire their own alumns. Perhaps someone interested in military history should go to West Point, Anapolis, Air Force Academy....

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I have advised other Republicans to be wary of academic careers.

Talk about SELF SELECTION BIAS!
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 08:35 am
Foxfyre wrote:
And since I'm in a posting mind-numbingly long articles mode tonight, I might as well post the following as a more scholarly rebuttal of Krugman's article:

The Science Haters
Why Paul Krugman is Wrong Again

By James D. Miller Published 04/06/2005

Republicans are too anti-science to become good professors. That's the essence of Paul Krugman's recent New York Times column explaining why there are so few Republican college professors.

Of course, recent events at Harvard indicate that it's the academic left that rejects science. Harvard's President Larry Summers was castigated for suggesting that politically incorrect science be conducted. Dr. Summers infamously suggested that researchers consider the possibility that biology partially explains the dearth of female science professors. For this comment, his Arts and Science faculty passed a resolution expressing lack of confidence in him, nope, more to it than that and the presidents of Stanford, MIT and Princeton published a letter saying that "speculation that 'innate differences' may be a significant cause of under representation by women in science and engineering may rejuvenate old myths and reinforce negative stereotypes and biases." So acting with the approval of their leftist faculties, the presidents of Stanford, MIT and Princeton have condemned Larry Summers for the crime of politically incorrect speculation. Nothing could possibly be more anti-scientific then rejecting speculation.
Are Jews inherently greedy? Are Christians genetically pre-disposed to delusion? Are Africans more prone, due to genetic factors, towards violence and drug use? Are whites intellectually superior?

Larry Summers hinted that women on average might not be as qualified as men to be science professors. Paul Krugman wrote that Republicans en masse are categorically not as qualified as everyone else to be professors. Of course, he said no such thing Larry Summers was almost universally condemned by academia for his comments, not because they were necessarily wrong, but because it was considered wrong for him to make negative generalizations about an under-represented group. Yes. "Wrong" in the manner of the other examples I've just given. That is, quite aside from any scientific question involved, there are social dangers involved. Why not begin a massive study to find out if Christians are more susceptible to delusions? It's a pure science question. Or is it? In academia, Republicans are far more under-represented than women are. So are Green Party members. So are fascists. So are white supremicists. So are child molesters. So if Paul Krugman is not widely condemned by academics it will constitute pretty strong evidence that academia is biased against Republicans. No, it won't. No more than a survey of business principals would demonstrate business is biased against liberals or that a survey of Pentacostal ministers would demonstrate that Pentacostalism is biased against plumbers or engineers.

Many college leftists want more women but fewer Republicans in their ranks. He knows this how? And note how he shifted earlier from conservative to Republican. They cite diversity as the reason for desiring more women, but this creates a problem since this diversity rationale would seem to indicate that they should also seek to hire more Republicans. The victim claim. Note key word 'intolerance' in his next sentence. More on that in a bit. Krugman, therefore, is aiding the intolerant college left by claiming that Republicans are so anti-science that colleges would suffer by having more of them around. Fortunately for Republicans, much of the college left is so hostile to science falsehood - at the very least, a claim without any hint of evidentiary support that even few college professors will accept Krugman's arguments. same again

Much of the left in humanities departments doesn't believe in science. And again. That you consider this 'scholarly', fox, tells us more than you know regarding your familiarity with scholarship They feel that it's wrong to privilege scientific over other types of knowledge. Leftists have been known to use literary theory to demonstrate flaws in science. Such anti-scientific silliness lead to the Social Text hoax.

New York University professor of physics Alan Sokal, himself an "unabashed Old Leftist," was bothered by the anti-scientific viewpoints of many left-wing humanities professors. These professors often used their French literary theories to attack science. Love the 'french' bit To prove that these humanities professors actually knew nothing about real science he wrote an article titled "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" agreeing with the leftists' view of science. But as the author himself wrote, his article contained a "mélange of truths, half-truths, quarter-truths, falsehoods, non sequiturs, and syntactically correct sentences that have no meaning whatsoever." The article was, however, published in 1996 by the academic journal Social Text as a serious piece criticizing the scientific method. Only after it appeared did Professor Sokal reveal that his article was a parody. That such an article could get published would surprise few Republican college professors as we well understand how many leftist humanities professors both hate science and are ignorant of its workings.
I've read Sokal's piece. You finn? Baldimo? Foxfyre? He addresses something quite real and problematic in terms of science, humanities fads, and epistemology generally and I'd be happy to have that discussion except that neither of the three of you are up to it.

Krugman correctly points out that self-selection is part of the reason there are so few Republicans in academia. But much of this self-selection is because of leftist bias. For example, consider the academic field of Women's Studies. True, few Republicans will self-select to become Women Studies professors, but only because this field is totally defined in left-wing terms. False. Similarly, the fields of African-American Studies, History, English and Sociology are increasingly devoted to left-wing topics. What the hell is a left wing topic? What is a right wing topic? A smart undergraduate who tells her academic advisor that she wants to get a Ph.D. focusing on military history will likely be told to go to law school instead because few colleges will consider hiring a military historian. Or a cooking historian. In contrast, if this same undergraduate announced her desire to study how capitalism has promoted environmental racism she would be told of the rich academic job market that will await her after she completes her Ph.D. Some scholarly claim, that one.

Bias against Republicans in academia is an intensely personal issue for me. Smith College recently tried to fire me by denying me tenure. I believe that I was denied tenure for being a conservative. Fortunately, Smith's five person faculty Grievance Committee found that my academic freedom had been violated during my tenure review. How exactly, we would like to know, but he's not saying. As a result I came up for tenure again and this time succeeded. (My story is well told here.) Based on my experience and knowledge of academia, however, I have advised other Republicans to be wary of academic careers.
http://www.techcentralstation.com/040605B.html


You three have a fixed idea on this issue but with little or no experience to support your ideas. All three of you read the same sort of rightwing publications which have great regard for a particular agenda and almost none for careful scholarship.

You likely think Horowitz a great fellow, out only for the good of all through a noble attempt to ammeliorate the imbalance of ideas at universities. In fact, he is a Republican party strategist and operative who has worked for Republican candidates and causes since Nixon. Here's some things he has written and said:
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"Don't forget that a soundbite is all you have...keep it short - a slogan is always better. Repeat it often. Put it on television...In politics, television is reality."

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Republicans have to be "repositioned" as the "party of the underdog" (You'll recall my 'victim' note earlier. This is a strategy initially developed by a Republican lawyer who clerked under Thomas, specifically using the rhetoric of the civil rights movement to, a bit of irony here, dismantle affirmative action)

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"PBS programs regularly attack whites"

Etc etc. He's been caught up in enough lies and racist comments to allow his credibility to remain intact only for true believers, and that's you three. Much of his funding has been and continues to be from the typical sources: Olin, Scaife etc.

The agenda is to disempower perceived centers of democratic or liberal power so as to gain further Republican control of governance. Intellectual integrity is the very last of Horowitz's real concerns.

And it is decidely NOT to further discourse and ideas, but to stifle them, as Krugman states.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 08:46 am
Drewdad, you repeatedly stated that the sources cited on this thread are not credible, but as yet you have provided nothing but your own opinion that the sources are not credible. You of course are entitled to your opinions and you no doubt have strong reasons for holding them.

But however incredible or lacking in merit you find the sources posted, at least verifiable data and observations of people actually working in the field have been posted here.

Now given the fact of the data posted, opinions of people working in the field who have looked at the data in depth, and their general consensus that the data does indicate a disparity of diversity of thought on college campuses, please explain why your opinion holds more merit than theirs?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 09:48 am
Fox,

YOU are the one putting forth the proposition that there are major inequities in our Colleges and Universities due to political bias. That means that you are responsible for providing accurate, believable sources for your argument, not those who hold the neg side of the argument.

It's like saying, "There ARE aliens in New Mexico! I have Larry, Moe, and Curly here with articles to prove it!"

The response is "that's a strange proposition, and Larry, Curly, and Moe are hardly scientific or unbiased sources."

And then YOU say, "Oh yeah, well at least I have SOME sources, where are yours to prove that aliens AREN'T here??"


You see, the whole argument is somewhat silly. And why do certain opinions hold more weight than others? Perhaps becuase certain people have BEEN in college in the last twenty years, while other's haven't?

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:01 am
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It's like saying, "There ARE aliens in New Mexico! I have Larry, Moe, and Curly here with articles to prove it!"


It's also like saying "There ARE WMDs in Iraq, and I have Chalabi here to prove it!"

I've also officially lost count of how many times I've heard a neoconservative say "You of course are entitled to your opinions..."

Isn't that all that A2K is basically about? The sharing of ideas and opinions? GOD, I can only hope that if we are to participate in this forum then we should have a Constitutional right to our opinions...

Unless, of course, you're an activist judge. :wink:

I noticed this early quote by Fox:

Foxfyre wrote:
Yes I thought it was very interesting. It also explains why so many of the younger members in forums like A2K are so rabidly liberal. They are being brainwashed like crazy in the universities. Fortunately, many will see the light once they are out in the real world and have a clearer view of realities.


WTF??? Oooboy, talk about crazy...
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:10 am
Dookiestix wrote:
I've also officially lost count of how many times I've heard a neoconservative say "You of course are entitled to your opinions..."


I've lost count of how many times I've heard you say the word "neocon" or "neoconservative."
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:12 am
Why are you embarassed of the political term for your parties' leaders, Tico?

It's not as if we made it up. Want me to count how often people say 'liberal?'

Cycloptichorn
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:31 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Drewdad, you repeatedly stated that the sources cited on this thread are not credible, but as yet you have provided nothing but your own opinion that the sources are not credible. You of course are entitled to your opinions and you no doubt have strong reasons for holding them.

But however incredible or lacking in merit you find the sources posted, at least verifiable data and observations of people actually working in the field have been posted here.

Now given the fact of the data posted, opinions of people working in the field who have looked at the data in depth, and their general consensus that the data does indicate a disparity of diversity of thought on college campuses, please explain why your opinion holds more merit than theirs?

OK.

I've acknowleged that college campuses tend to be quite liberal. My response to that is... so what? Who is being harmed by it? The occasional hyper-conservative student who's out to score points, from what I can tell.

Do profs occasionally step out of line? Yep. That's the real world. Students are out of line a lot, too. Both liberal and conservative.


Why do I not find the sources credible?
1. Because I read them with a critical eye. I look for slanted truths and omissions.
2. These articles are not fair and balanced. They present only one side of the story.
3. They are not peer-reviewed articles. They are propaganda.


Why does my opinion matter? Because I have my own experiences at a University. Because I've seen my wife go through the process of obtaining her Ph.D. Because I know the kind of politics that professors play with each other.

I do not expect my experiences to convince you of my position, but you will certainly require stronger evidence than that presented here to convert me to your position.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:35 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Dookiestix wrote:
I've also officially lost count of how many times I've heard a neoconservative say "You of course are entitled to your opinions..."


I've lost count of how many times I've heard you say the word "neocon" or "neoconservative."


And I have lost count of the many times you've used the world "liberal."
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:38 am
Quote:
I've acknowleged that college campuses tend to be quite liberal. My response to that is... so what? Who is being harmed by it? The occasional hyper-conservative student who's out to score points, from what I can tell.


The only thing harmed here would seem to be the egos of Conservatives and Neoconservatives not smart enough to teach at a major university.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:39 am
I've also lost count of how many times Ticomaya has used the words "and" and "it," but hey, that's the English language for ya... :wink:
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:40 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Why are you embarassed of the political term for your parties' leaders, Tico?

It's not as if we made it up. Want me to count how often people say 'liberal?'

Cycloptichorn


Au contraire, Cyclops. Whenever I hear the term I think of a noble and great person. Kind of a superhero .. like a knight in shining armor. "Here comes the great neocon."

I find it absolutely amusing that Dookie -- and you apparently -- think any neocon doesn't like the term. Laughing

On the other hand, you libbies seem to not like the term "liberal" with a passion. So, you'd think we'd use it more often than we do......

I only point it out because it does seem to be Dookies favorite thing to say, and he will interject it into a discussion about food.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:43 am
? This is hilarious!

I love the word liberal, I love what it stands for. Way to try to turn the conversation around, Tico.

Cycloptichorn
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:45 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
? This is hilarious!

I love the word liberal, I love what it stands for. Way to try to turn the conversation around, Tico.

Cycloptichorn


Then I shall endeavor to call you liberal whenever I can remember to do so. I aim to please.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2005 11:46 am
Neoconservative:

Quote:
http://www.the-dissident.com/jaccuse.shtml

It was "Kristol p`ere" (Irving Kristol), in fact, who invented the term neoconservative. Kristol had to come up with a label for the group of liberal intellectuals who became disillusioned with the New Left in the sixties and seventies, and who shortly thereafter left the Democratic party."


Hmmm.... Maybe neoconservative is the wrong term now. Afterall, you don't see a whole lotta disillusioned liberal intellectuals teaching at universities these days it would seem....
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