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Diversity of Everything but Thought

 
 
ForeverYoung
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 06:53 pm
dyslexia wrote:
Well there's always KY. The republican balm of gilead. (spread between the masses like grease upon the palm)



OMG: did I have to read that with a mouthful of coke? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 06:54 pm
um well sorry about that.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 09:24 pm
Guess ya have a nose full of coke now.

Hey-yo!

Cycloptichorn
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ForeverYoung
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 09:57 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Guess ya have a nose full of coke now.

Hey-yo!

Cycloptichorn


Well, I did!

Ba-da-bing!
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 07:38 am
blatham-

Might I suggest that before you look at the phrase "liberal bias" you scrutinise the phrase "university setting" with Thornstein Veblen's The Higher Learning in America close at hand.

spendius.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 08:10 am
Foxfyre wrote:
Lynne Cheney funded an ACTA study at the University of Connecticut? I don't think so.


Fox, you are being willfully illiterate. The study was funded by a group headed by Lynne Cheney.

http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/naf.htm
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 08:14 am
McGentrix wrote:
Hold the phone, are you suggesting that there ISN'T any liberal bias in the professorships of most university's and colleges? You're basing this on the fact that some people refuse to accept an op/ed as proof?

*egads!*


I never said that isn't any liberal bias in universities. I wouldn't personally know since I have not even stepped inside one much less attended one.

I am saying that the fact that this particular study gets its funding from a majority of conservative organizations with some very conservative people serving in these organizations adds another element to the debate which should be taken into consideration from reasonable people when discussing this particular study.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 08:18 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I guess you'll stay unconvinced Drewdad.


Yes, unless you come up with some compelling evidence that there is wide-spread harm to students.

Foxfyre wrote:
A pity. I think if most Americans would recognize the problem and push for a remedy, we could within a very few years restore academic excellence to our public schools and regain our bragging rights.


If. If the sky were green, I'd always have an accessory to match my eyes.

Foxfyre wrote:
Right now, we are an academic embarassment.


I disagree.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 08:33 am
The Higher Learning in America was, perhaps, seen as a scathing remonstration on the then current (1919) habit of evaluting academic performance by economic/business (practical) measurements. Of course, higher education during Veblens era was limited to a higher strata of the well-doers in his society and does not forsee the effects of the G.I Bill when higher education was made available to the unwashed masses. Thus we have, following WW II, a minimizing of conspicous elitism with an even greater emphasis on consumption/waste. A turning point, if you will, from the isolation of the Clergy/Law/Medicine/Academia. The ivory tower was now cranking out insurance salesman/MBA's that were little more then marginally trained technicians. The slope downward has been Malthusian ever since. More education has produced less educated citizens. Critical thought/evaluation has digressed to opting for the Plasma vs the LED, big-screen media rooms have replaced the library. The, now poorly educated masses, are yelling, demanding, funding by mandate, that "liberal education" ie Ivory Tower elitists be tossed out and replaced with "trainers".
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:02 am
Damn liberal education of yours, dys.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:20 am
FreeDuck wrote:
Damn liberal education of yours, dys.

Yeah, I'm an excellent example of "education wasted on the riff-raff"
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:26 am
You and me both.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:35 am
For sure dyslexy

But that isn't the point.Veblen's book is the point.He was a sod buster.

And less of the "unwashed " if you don't mind.I get washed once a day.

spendius.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:44 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I think if most Americans would recognize the problem and push for a remedy, we could within a very few years restore academic excellence to our public schools and regain our bragging rights. Right now, we are an academic embarassment.

What's all this nonsense about a "remedy?" Surely, Foxfyre, you're not suggesting the imposition of quotas? Or government mandates? Or the creation of a federal oversight bureacracy? Really, your reticence to identify any particular remedy for this "problem" is, I think, intended to mask your support of a big-government solution. For shame!

But the remedy shouldn't require any government intervention at all. Conservatives always talk about the efficiency of market solutions, so why shouldn't the market provide the solution in this case? After all, colleges compete like any other businesses. And businesses that provide bad services or products should (all things being equal) be less successful than their competitors. So if a liberal bias among a college's professoriate is deemed by consumers (i.e. students) to be undesirable, they are free to go to a competitor. Students, in other words, should be tossing their Ivy League admissions letters into the wastebasket and going to Regent University or Grove City College or any of the top ten conservative colleges listed by the Young America's Foundation.

If enough students choose conservative colleges over their purportedly "liberal" rivals, then the former will prosper and the latter will either suffer, dwindle, and die or else adapt their product to be more competitive. The remedy for liberal colleges, therefore, is simple: better conservative colleges.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:47 am
...and doesn't the fact that most Americans don't recognize liberal bias as a problem make the argument that it isn't a widespread and systematic problem?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 09:50 am
Remember, gentlemen: this thread isn't about silly things like logic; it's about confirming one's beliefs.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 10:34 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Remember, gentlemen: this thread isn't about silly things like logic; it's about confirming one's beliefs.

Cycloptichorn


Oh, you are soooo getting coal in your stocking this year!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 10:39 am
It's actually rather cold here; a useful gift!

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 10:41 am
Tee hee, McG. You know coal is clean now.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2004 10:48 am
FreeDuck wrote:
...and doesn't the fact that most Americans don't recognize liberal bias as a problem make the argument that it isn't a widespread and systematic problem?


Excellent point.
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