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Pentagon Board Report: "US 'alienating' world's Muslims"

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 01:46 pm
JustWonders wrote:
I'm interested in self defense, and I thank God that we have brave men and women fighting these bastards.


Perhaps you should read e.g. the bible before falling back to blasphemy.

Quote:
Matthew 26:52
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 01:52 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Instead of reacting strongly to the obvious threat of Islamofascism there are those who have clung to the stupid thought that if we treat these thugs with respect they will change.

Treat the extremist Islamists with respect or treat Muslims with respect? I dont think I know of anyone who propones the former ... and I'm to the left of liberal.

The wall we need to help build is between extremist Islamists and mainstream Muslim society, not between Western and Muslim civilisation. By clamping down on the extremists but treating Muslims in general with respect we can do so. By blaming Islam per se and going around saying "the Muslims" are hateful, or backward, or not to be trusted, or etc, we will only multiply the numbers of those who, feeling rejected or resentful, turn to the extremist pied pipers.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 02:08 pm
The Life of Mohammed
Some of the life of Mohammed:

(I mean, this stuff should be common knowledge...)

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/mohwar1.html

Quote:

Mohammed, Prophet of Islam is known as the "Apostle of Peace" by Muslims. Nothing can be further from the truth.

This article is just one of a series that I will be publishing regarding sadistic cruel nature of Prophet Mohammed. In this article I will prove once again, that Mohammed was in fact a terrorist, criminal and murderer whose entire life was based on victimizing innocents and indulging in mindless violence, carnage and massacre. He was a man who destroyed peace wherever he went, and in its place brought terror, carnage and death.

When Mohammed first started screaming from the rooftops that he alone had the divine word of God, the people of Mecca ignored him. However, when he started insulting and defaming the religion of the peace loving Meccans, they couldn't take it anymore and tried persuading him to stop. Mohammed the coward was too scared of the growing hostility against him and instead of calling upon his Allah to strike down the Meccans, he crept out one night and fled for his life.

Ever since that incident, Mohammed was determined to take revenge on the Meccans. He escaped to Medinah, which had a sizeable Jewish population, and started plotting his revenge with a small gang of criminals. This was the beginning of Mohammed's trail of violence, hatred and bloodshed that would soon destroy the once flourishing culture of Arabia. The story has been documented in detail by his biographers, - surprise raids on trade caravans and tribal settlements, the use of plunder thus obtained for recruiting an ever growing army of greedy desperados, assassinations of opponents, blackmail, expulsion and massacre of the Jews of Medinah, attack and enslavement of the Jews of Khayber, rape of women and children, sale of these victims after rape, trickery, treachery and bribery employed to their fullest extent to grow the numbers of his religion Islam which ironically was supposed to mean "Peace"! He organised no less than 86 expeditions, 26 of which he led himself.

The motives of the converts to Islam was never in any doubt. As D.S. Margoliouth states in his book Muhammad and the rise of Islam
"Of any moralising or demoralising effect that Muhammad's teaching had upon his followers we cannot say with precision. When he was at the head of the Robber community, it is probable that the demoralising influence began to be felt; it was then that men who had never broken an oath learnt that they might evade their obligations, and that men to whom the blood of their clan had been as their own, began to shed it with impunity in the "cause of god". And that lying and treachery in the cause of Islam received divine approval. It was then too that Moslems became distinguished by the obscenity of their language. It was then too, that the coveting of goods and wives possessed by Non-muslims was avowed without discouragement from the Prophet...."

The details of all his criminal onslaughts in the form of battles and assasinations are chronicled in this article in a chronological manner. One should note that everytime the "Apostle of Peace" committed one of his criminal onslaughts, he always justified the crimes by quickly claiming a "divine revelation" which conveniently removed the blame from his bloodied hands. These convenient Suras are detailed immediately below the description of the incident.


1) Massacre of unarmed merchants during sacred month
Date: Late January(Rejeb), 623 A.D.
Place: Nakhla
Victims: 4 Merchants from Quraysh tribe of Mecca, the Tribe to which Mohammed himself belonged

Four UNARMED merchants were travelling to Mecca to sell their goods consisting of raisins, honey and animal skins. It was the holy month of Rejeb which was considered sacred for trade in Arabia. It was a point of honor that any form of warfare or violence was strictly forbidden in this month. Mohammed's gang attacked the helpless men from behind and stabbed two of them to death. They plundered all the goods as booty and Mohammed got one fifths of the share.

This shows the utter lack of morals or scruples on Mohammed's part. The Prophet of Islam did not possess a shred of pity or kindness, or the slightest sense of justice. He cold-bloodedly murdered two innocent people who had never done him any harm and did not even know him! All this was done in a month that the Prophet himself declared was a sacred month in which no warfare should take place. Mohammed was obviously motivated by nothing but hatred and greed.

Conveniently divine revelations came down from Allah that absolved him of all the guilt.

Koran 2:216
"Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Here Mohammed is completely removing all blame from himself, for having started the fighting. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that Allah is completely justifying Mohammed's murder of the innocent Meccans. Over and above this Mohammed is conveniently implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because it was ordained by Allah! What sacrifices the "Apostle of Peace" had to make!

Koran 2:217
"They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men from the way of Allah and to disbelive in Him and the inviolable place of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression, for persecution is worse than killing"

Here Allah is clearly saying that to kill or create warfare in the sacred month of Rejeb is a very grave offence, but to justify his own violation of Allah's rules, Mohammed comes up with the idea that since the people killed were unbelievers, it was perfectly okay! The reason given for the horrific murder of the innocent Meccans, is the fact that they did not believe in Mohammed's version of God. How much more tolerant and kind could the "Great Prophet" be!




2) Slaughter of Meccans who came to defend their caravans
Date: March (Ramadan) 17, 623 A.D
Place: The well of Badr
Victims: 70 merchants from Quraysh Tribe of Mecca, The Quraysh army which came to defend them

The merchandise being carried by this caravan was worth more than 50,000 Gold Dinars. Mohammed ganged up all the criminals of Medina and set out to raid the caravan with 300 men. The Meccans got word of the raid and sent out an army to protect the caravan. Throughout the entire battle Mohammad cowered in a hut which his men made for him. There he cried and prayed with feverish anxiety. At one point he came out of the hut and threw pebbles in the enemy's direction, screaming "Let evil look on your faces!" and "By him who holds my soul in his hands, anyone who fights for me today will go to paradise!" The Muslims killed over two hundred and took seventy prisoners. All seventy of the prisoners were ransomed, and any prisoner who did not fetch a ransom had his head chopped off.

Mohammed was gratified at the sight of his murdered victims. After the battle, he sent his followers to look for the corpse of Abu Jahal, one of the Meccans who had criticised him openly. When his corpse was found,they cut off the head and threw it down at Mohammed's feet. The "Apostle of peace" cried out in delirious joy, "Rejoice! Here lies the head of the enemy of Allah! Praise Allah, for there is no other but he!" The Prophet then ordered a great pit to be dug for the bodies of the innocents to be dumped. The Muslims then proceeded to hack the corpses limbs into pieces. As the bloodied mass of bodies was being thrown into the pit, a feverishly excited Mohammed shreiked, " O People of the Pit, have you found that what Allah threatened is true now? For I have found that what my Lord promised was true! Rejoice All Muslims!" One of the prisoners taken was the defiant Al Nadr Ibn al Harith, who had earlier taken Muhammad's challenge of telling better stories than him. Muhammad ordered Ali to strike off Nadr's head in his presence, so he could watch and exult in the pleasure of beheading the man who had insulted him. Another prisoner Uqba ibn Abi Muait was decapitated in front of the Prophet. Before being killed the prisoner cried out pitifully "O Prophet, who will look after my children if I should die?" The "Great Prophet of the Religion of Peace" coldly spat out "Hellfire", as the blade came down and spattered his clothes with Uqba's blood.

This time Mohammed needed a revelation that would not only absolve him of all the guilt for murdering so many innocent people, but also give him the "divine" right to get a huge share of the plundered booty. Quite a few revelations magically appeared after the battle of Badr.

Koran 8:65
"O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast,they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence"

This Sura clearly exposes Islam to be a religion that not only encourages violence but actually makes it a sacred duty for Muslims to kill anyone who does not believe in the Muslim version of religion. Not only is the "All forgiving Allah" exhorting his followers to kill anyone who is not Muslim, but he is also saying that all non-Muslims are so stupid that they will be unable to defend themselves and therfore deserve death!

Koran 8:67-68
"It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle. Allah the "Merciful" is saying that they should all have been killed! In addition, Allah is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to Allah. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could get more money from the Ransom for them. In today's world this is called "Terrorism" of the worst kind.




3) Assasination of poets who criticised Mohammed's murderous ways
Date: Late March-April, 623 A.D
Place: Medinah
Victims: Two of the most famous poets of Medinah, who had the courage to criticise the murderous actions of Mohammed and his gang

After the battle of Badr, the people of Medinah were horrified that they had given refuge to such a blatant criminal and his followers in their city. Many began protesting the presence of such violent and murderous people in their city. In a free society like Pre-Islamic Arabia, the poets acted as society's conscience and were free to criticise, satirize and examine the actions of people. The two most famous poets of this kind were Abu 'Afak; an extremely old and respected poet and Asma bint Marwan; a young mother with the gift of superb verse.

Muhammad was enraged at their criticism. When he heard the verses composed by Asma Bint Marwan he was infuriated and screamed aloud, "Will no one rid me of this daughter of Marwan!" That very night a gang of Muslims set out to do the dirty deed. They broke into the poets' house. She was lying in in her bedroom suckling her newborn child, while her other small children slept nearby. The Muslims tore the newborn infant off her breast and hacked it to pieces before her very eyes. They then made her watch the murder of all four of her children, before raping and then stabbing her repeatedly to death. After the murder when the Muslims went to inform the Prophet, he said "You have done a service to Allah and his Messenger, her life was not worth even two goats!"

A month later the distinguished and highly respected Abu Afak, who was over a hundred years old and reknowned for his sense of fairness, was killed brutally in the same manner as he slept. Once again the Prophet had commented that morning "Who will avenge me on this scoundrel!"

This shows us exactly how much the tolerant and peace loving Prophet respected life. Muslims claim that Mohammed was extremely gentle and loved children. Indeed the horrifying way he had Asma Bint Marwan's five infants slaughtered certainly attests to this "loving" side of the Prophet.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 02:15 pm
nimh wrote:


Pora...

...


You speak Russian? Any thoughts as to what "buikovoye govno" might mean?

What about George Soros? You got some way of thinking that clown might actually be on the right side of anything??

Try educating yourself on this business:

http://antiwar.com/justin/
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 02:22 pm
gunga, have you ever heard the phrase 'consider the source'? There's not even a name on this paper.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 03:03 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
gunga, have you ever heard the phrase 'consider the source'? There's not even a name on this paper.


I've yet to find one of G-snakes sources that holds up under scrutiny.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 03:16 pm
I've read through several different versions of the life of Mohammed. There really isn't much difference between any two of them.

Do your own research...
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 03:18 pm
I've done my own research and I only find stories like yours on personal webpages and blogs.
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NineTurningMirrors
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 03:23 pm
Long,but interesting read. Guess I'll read up a bit and come back then!
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 05:46 pm
gungasnake wrote:
Try educating yourself on this business:

http://antiwar.com/justin/


How ironic, I was just writing about you ... I mean, you in a generic kind of way. I translated this article from the Dutch newspaper Trouw, and then, having looked around a bit at Indymedia and the Free Republic, jotted down some notes in this post here, that seem to refer to you too.

Hey, I dont mind anyone pointing out that Yushchenko also just rose up through the ranks of apparatchiks, and that he was himself a Prime Minister under Kuchma not so long ago. He left not because he was already possessed by a revolutionary fervour for systemic change, but primarily just because he proponed a course of stricter market reforms than Kuchma would allow. Ever since though, he's become a focal point for the opposition against the corrupt, authoritarian Kuchma regime, and now the fraud that kept him from the Presidency has become the focus for much of the Ukrainian people's impatience and longing for something more normal, something more like the West, more like Europe, something more free and more fair and more transparent. That used to be the people the West would support; Reagan surely did.

Now is Yushchenko, or Yulia Tymoshenko, worthy of carrying that hope? When he wins, we'll find out soon enough - I don't think all that much will change all that radically - but with this popular uprising under way and the pressure it will put Yushchenko under to actually deliver if he does make it, I'm sure it will be a change for the better.

No, a little scepticism about this or that politician from either of the camps is no shock to anyone. But what of this demonization of George Soros? It seems wildly irrational, and works up to the point where many rabid rightwingers will by definition choose the side of whoever Soros is against - whether it be Milosevic, Meciar, even Lukashenka, or now, Yanukovich. Literally! It's the oddest thing. But I guess no odder than the farlefties who sympathise with Yanukovich even when they know nothing about him, but just because they know the Americans support Yushchenko, and so the Americans and what must be their devious, imperialist plans must be stopped. Really the oddest thing. But the farlefties and the rabid righties seem to even be finding each other here now, as they have long since in Eastern Europe in various appearances of fascocommunist "red-brown" coalitions. Luckily, neither Bush nor the Democrats are on their side.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 08:59 pm
An aside:

{Every day I sort through the various threads, veering around some posts while chewing hardily on others, letting the ooziness of some drip off the side while wondering how others got so dry and then, in the midst of all this sifting and drifting and wondering if I have anything, anything at all to add, I find a post by nimh and I am always glad of it.

It makes my day and if something has already done that it doubles my day and thereby lessens my age by twentyfour hours.}

Thank you, nimh, for your steadfast commitment to truth.

Joe
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 10:18 pm
nimh wrote:


Hey, I dont mind anyone pointing out that Yushchenko also just rose up through the ranks of apparatchiks, and that he was himself a Prime Minister under Kuchma not so long ago. He left not because he was already possessed by a revolutionary fervour for systemic change, but primarily just because he proponed a course of stricter market reforms than Kuchma would allow. Ever since though, he's become a focal point for the opposition against the corrupt, authoritarian Kuchma regime, and now the fraud that kept him from the Presidency has become the focus for much of the Ukrainian people's impatience and longing for something more normal, something more like the West, more like Europe, something more free and more fair and more transparent. That used to be the people the West would support; Reagan surely did.



What about the antisemitic element of the Youschenko group? I mean, the claims of 400,000 Jews invading the Ukraine in WW-II? I mean, aside from any ethical problems or anything like that with that, I just have a hard time picturing a horde of 400,000 blood-crazed jews riding roughshod over the Ukraine, raping, burning, pillaging, and stealing pigs and chickens. The basic problem is, anybody smokin enough reefer to dream up **** like that shouldn't really be that close to government, at least you'd think.

And then again, there's the problem picturing George Soros being on the right side of anything...
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Tue 30 Nov, 2004 11:42 pm
Yet another take on the Ukrainian situation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5072082-115040,00.html

Quote:

With their websites and stickers, their pranks and slogans aimed at banishing widespread fear of a corrupt regime, the democracy guerrillas of the Ukrainian Pora youth movement have already notched up a famous victory - whatever the outcome of the dangerous stand-off in Kiev. Ukraine, traditionally passive in its politics, has been mobilised by the young democracy activists and will never be the same again.

But while the gains of the orange-bedecked "chestnut revolution" are Ukraine's, the campaign is an American creation, a sophisticated and brilliantly conceived exercise in western branding and mass marketing that, in four countries in four years, has been used to try to salvage rigged elections and topple unsavoury regimes.

Funded and organised by the US government, deploying US consultancies, pollsters, diplomats, the two big American parties and US non-government organisations, the campaign was first used in Europe in Belgrade in 2000 to beat Slobodan Milosevic at the ballot box.

Richard Miles, the US ambassador in Belgrade, played a key role. And by last year, as US ambassador in Tbilisi, he repeated the trick in Georgia, coaching Mikhail Saakashvili in how to bring down Eduard Shevardnadze.

Ten months after the success in Belgrade, the US ambassador in Minsk, Michael Kozak, a veteran of similar operations in central America, notably in Nicaragua, organised a near identical campaign to try to defeat the Belarus hardman, Alexander Lukashenko.

That one failed. "There will be no Kostunica in Belarus," the Belarus president declared, referring to the victory in Belgrade.

But experience gained in Serbia, Georgia and Belarus has been invaluable in plotting to beat the regime of Leonid Kuchma in Kiev.

The operation - engineering democracy through the ballot box and civil disobedience - is now so slick that the methods have matured into a template for winning other people's elections.

In the centre of Belgrade, there is a dingy office staffed by computer-literate youngsters who call themselves the Centre for Non-violent Resistance. If you want to know how to beat a regime that controls the mass media, the judges, the courts, the security apparatus and the voting stations, the young Belgrade activists are for hire.

They emerged from the anti-Milosevic student movement, Otpor, meaning resistance. The catchy, single-word branding is important. In Georgia last year, the parallel student movement was Khmara. In Belarus, it was Zubr. In Ukraine, it is Pora, meaning high time. Otpor also had a potent, simple slogan that appeared everywhere in Serbia in 2000 - the two words "gotov je", meaning "he's finished", a reference to Milosevic. A logo of a black-and-white clenched fist completed the masterful marketing.

In Ukraine, the equivalent is a ticking clock, also signalling that the Kuchma regime's days are numbered.

Stickers, spray paint and websites are the young activists' weapons. Irony and street comedy mocking the regime have been hugely successful in puncturing public fear and enraging the powerful.

Last year, before becoming president in Georgia, the US-educated Mr Saakashvili travelled from Tbilisi to Belgrade to be coached in the techniques of mass defiance. In Belarus, the US embassy organised the dispatch of young opposition leaders to the Baltic, where they met up with Serbs travelling from Belgrade. In Serbia's case, given the hostile environment in Belgrade, the Americans organised the overthrow from neighbouring Hungary - Budapest and Szeged.

In recent weeks, several Serbs travelled to the Ukraine. Indeed, one of the leaders from Belgrade, Aleksandar Maric, was turned away at the border.

The Democratic party's National Democratic Institute, the Republican party's International Republican Institute, the US state department and USAid are the main agencies involved in these grassroots campaigns as well as the Freedom House NGO and billionaire George Soros's open society institute.

US pollsters and professional consultants are hired to organise focus groups and use psephological data to plot strategy.

The usually fractious oppositions have to be united behind a single candidate if there is to be any chance of unseating the regime. That leader is selected on pragmatic and objective grounds, even if he or she is anti-American.

In Serbia, US pollsters Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates discovered that the assassinated pro-western opposition leader, Zoran Djindjic, was reviled at home and had no chance of beating Milosevic fairly in an election. He was persuaded to take a back seat to the anti-western Vojislav Kostunica, who is now Serbian prime minister.

In Belarus, US officials ordered opposition parties to unite behind the dour, elderly trade unionist, Vladimir Goncharik, because he appealed to much of the Lukashenko constituency.

Officially, the US government spent $41m (£21.7m) organising and funding the year-long operation to get rid of Milosevic from October 1999. In Ukraine, the figure is said to be around $14m.

Apart from the student movement and the united opposition, the other key element in the democracy template is what is known as the "parallel vote tabulation", a counter to the election-rigging tricks beloved of disreputable regimes.

There are professional outside election monitors from bodies such as the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe, but the Ukrainian poll, like its predecessors, also featured thousands of local election monitors trained and paid by western groups.

Freedom House and the Democratic party's NDI helped fund and organise the "largest civil regional election monitoring effort" in Ukraine, involving more than 1,000 trained observers. They also organised exit polls. On Sunday night those polls gave Mr Yushchenko an 11-point lead and set the agenda for much of what has followed.

The exit polls are seen as critical because they seize the initiative in the propaganda battle with the regime, invariably appearing first, receiving wide media coverage and putting the onus on the authorities to respond.

The final stage in the US template concerns how to react when the incumbent tries to steal a lost election.

In Belarus, President Lukashenko won, so the response was minimal. In Belgrade, Tbilisi, and now Kiev, where the authorities initially tried to cling to power, the advice was to stay cool but determined and to organise mass displays of civil disobedience, which must remain peaceful but risk provoking the regime into violent suppression.

If the events in Kiev vindicate the US in its strategies for helping other people win elections and take power from anti-democratic regimes, it is certain to try to repeat the exercise elsewhere in the post-Soviet world.

The places to watch are Moldova and the authoritarian countries of central Asia.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 12:13 am
It's nice that you quote from the Guardian.

To see all the opinions, leaders, anylysis of this paper re Ukraine during to last couple of years, have a look HERE
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:19 am
FreeDuck wrote:
I've done my own research and I only find stories like yours on personal webpages and blogs.


Often when one criticizes Muhammed in a very public manner, one ends up being killed. Just an observation.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:38 am
Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
I've done my own research and I only find stories like yours on personal webpages and blogs.


Often when one criticizes Muhammed in a very public manner, one ends up being killed. Just an observation.


A very real possibility if you live in Pakistan.

The law states: "Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by inputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly defiles the sacred name of the Holy prophet Mohammed...shall be punished with death and shall be liable to a fine."

The law is being used in Pakistan to discriminate against religious minorities: largely Christians, and Ahmadis. Under the present law, a Muslim may blaspheme Christianity with impunity. But a Christian doing the same against Islam can theoretically be executed.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:48 am
Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
I've done my own research and I only find stories like yours on personal webpages and blogs.


Often when one criticizes Muhammed in a very public manner, one ends up being killed. Just an observation.


Who remembers Salmon Rushdie?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 10:51 am
Baldimo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
I've done my own research and I only find stories like yours on personal webpages and blogs.


Often when one criticizes Muhammed in a very public manner, one ends up being killed. Just an observation.


Who remembers Salmon Rushdie?


Right ... I should have said, "Often when one criticizes Muhammed in a very public manner, one ends up being killed or marked for death."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 12:23 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
I've done my own research and I only find stories like yours on personal webpages and blogs.


Often when one criticizes Muhammed in a very public manner, one ends up being killed. Just an observation.


A very real possibility if you live in Pakistan.

The law states: "Whoever by words, either spoken or written, or by visible representation, or by inputation, innuendo, or insinuation, directly or indirectly defiles the sacred name of the Holy prophet Mohammed...shall be punished with death and shall be liable to a fine."

The law is being used in Pakistan to discriminate against religious minorities: largely Christians, and Ahmadis. Under the present law, a Muslim may blaspheme Christianity with impunity. But a Christian doing the same against Islam can theoretically be executed.


Well, could you give some source for the above?

As far as I know, the decision of the Supreme Court of Pakistan in the case of Zaheer-ud-din v. The State (1993 SCMR 1718) is regarded as the the most important judgement of a Pakistani court on the fundamental right to freedom of religion since Pakistan came into being in 1947.

Did they change this again within the last 11 years?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 1 Dec, 2004 12:31 pm
C'mon, WH, you can't expect these guys to actually use facts when making their bigoted arguments!?!?!?!

Cycloptichorn
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