Pentagon Board Report: "US 'alienating' world's Muslims"

There are two things W. could have done the day after 9-11, i.e. what he did, and what I would have done, which would have been to level both Mecca and Medina, and ban the practice of Islam not only in America but throughout the world.

You'd like to at least try W.'s soilution first and, when you do, you'll find that in any effort to introduce democratic and responsible governments to the middle east, there has to be a first one.

"I'm sure that his approach seems like a needed change in direction -- maybe even a bright new idea -- to his supporters. My thinking is that there is nothing new about his approach and there is a reason why his predecessors didn't choose it. "

Given that Muslim culture has a longer history than "American Culture", one can look back at over, what, 8 thousand years of history and see that AT NO TIME did Muslims adopt a truly democratic form of govt or any form similiar. Turkey to a degree has, but generally speaking I have yet to see the MASSES draw together and fight for personal and political freedom.

So when GW calls for my sons/daughters service to fight for SOMEONE ELSES FREEDOM, I will surely question those motives.

Muhammad was the final messenger through whom Allah revealed the faith to the world. There had been earlier messengers, among them Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus.

CHAPTER 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto he fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them....

(Islam = )
Better treatment of women...

Mohammedf was basically a bandid chieftain of some sort looking to start a religion ideally suited to ruling a horde of bandits. That's all Islam really is.

Mohammedf was basically a bandid chieftain of some sort looking to start a religion ideally suited to ruling a horde of bandits. That's all Islam really is.

Gunga,

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Mohammedf was basically a bandid chieftain of some sort looking to start a religion ideally suited to ruling a horde of bandits. That's all Islam really is.

Can you end your incessant stream of retarded statements for just one post? Please?

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Cycloptichorn

Try reading the life story of Mohammed. It's basically the life story of a bandid chieftain. That (rape, pillage, murder, taking wives at eight or nine years of age) is basically the way bandit chieftains live.

The Life of Muhammad

(N.B. Muhammad is so esteemed by Muslims that it is usual to utter the blessing "peace be upon him" after his name. This is often abbreviated to "pbuh" and should be inferred throughout this site).

At the time of Muhammad's birth most people in Arabia believed in many different Gods and idolatry was common.

Early life
Muhammad was born 570 CE at Mecca in Arabia to a family of the Quraysh tribe.

Muhammad's father died before Muhammad's birth, and his mother died when the child was only 6, so Muhammad was raised first by his grandfather, and later by his uncle.

The family were not rich, so Muhammad spent much of his childhood tending animals for others in order to earn his livelihood.

Muhammad worked first as a trader, and gained a reputation for honesty. His nickname was "The Trustworthy".

When he was 25, Muhammad married Khadija, a wealthy widow aged 40. Muhammad soon showed an interest in spiritual matters and would spend time on retreat in the cave of Hira on "The Mountain of Light" (near Mecca).

The first revelation

In 610 Muhammad had his first revelation - a vision of the Archangel Gabriel, who told him that he was to be a prophet.

Khadija confirmed Muhammad's belief in his mission and declared herself to be his first disciple.

There was a gap of 3 years before the next revelation.

Muhammad was mocked at first by people who claimed that God had forsaken him, but the revelations resumed and over many years Muhammad received the text of the Quran in a series of revelations.

The Last Prophet

Muhammad proclaimed that the Quran was the last Book of God, and that he himself was the last Prophet.

With small group of people who believed what he said Muhammad began to spread the message.

Muhammad publicly condemned the existing idolatrous local beliefs, and religious customs, which did not make him universally popular.

In 613 Muhammad intensified his public preaching and won more converts. He and his followers were persecuted, and some of them went to Abyssinia to escape.

A long period of difficulty followed, but Muhammad and his followers remained true to the faith and he continued to preach and convert.

The Hijrah

In 622 Muhammad moved to Yathrib (later to be called Medina) with 70 colleagues; this is known as the "Hijrah" (which means 'emigration' or 'flight').

Muhammad formed a tribe of those who accepted him as the Prophet, and gradually Islam grew in strength and acceptance.

Death of Muhammad

In 632 CE Muhammad made a final pilgrimage to Mecca with over 100,000 of his followers, and gave his last sermon. He died a few months later at Medina.

... taking wives at eight or nine years of age) is basically the way bandit chieftains live.

It would be good for all (not just America, but let's include Western Europe as well) to know that the value system/moral code of many Muslims is incompatible with the basic convictions of Western civilization, period.

Just ask Holland.

Remember, the man who murdered Van Gogh in Amsterdam was an immigrant. If he and those like him cannot tolerate freedom of speech, perhaps they should stay in those countries where blasphemy laws (say, Pakistan) are the norm.