Foxfyre wrote:I don't recall singleing you out Revel. If you don't like what I say, please don't engage me in the discussion and then we'll both be happy.
Foxfrye wrote:
Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2004 6:19 pm Post: 1027266 -
Quote:and I think Revel is totally biased re Condi Rice
Just for my own sake I am going to go over again the issue at hand that we were discussing. Respond or not.
You said at the beginning the following:
Foxfrye wrote on Sat Nov, 2004 1:31 pm Post 102391:
Quote:Having heard Condi speak on several occasions, I think it is safe to say that she believes that the battles for racial equality and opportunity have largely been won and that it is now up to the person to take advantage of it. Of course that is the position of all black conservatives as well as the position of most conservatives of all stripes
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I responded by posting to you exactly how she feels from her own mouth(as opposed to what you said she feels) that is recorded. (from the previous link)
Quote:"I agree with the president's position, which emphasizes the need for diversity and recognizes the continued legacy of racial prejudice, and the need to fight it," Rice said.
"I believe that while race-neutral means are preferable, it is appropriate to use race as one factor among others in achieving a diverse student body," Rice said.
This totally contradicts your position that Rice feels that by and large the battles for racial equality and opportunity have largely been won because she said that she recognizes the continued legacy of racial prejudice, and the need to fight it.
You responded next by saying that she does not support quotas, I said that she never addressed the issue of quotas but she did say that racial prejudice still needs to fought and that race should (not could) be a factor when trying achieve diversity in universities. Bush flat out said that systems that use race to include or exclude students is divisive. That is totally opposite of each other.
After this was pointed out you totally side stepped and said:
Foxfrye Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 6:59 pm Post subject:
Quote:And how do the links you posted in any way contradict what I said about the matter Revel? Other than I do not accept that Condi Rice is anybody's lapdog. I do not see that she and the President agree on policy and process in most things as a bad thing, nor would those in the Clinton administration expect cabinet members to be anything other than a team. Do you honestly think Bill Clinton surrounded himself with people who disagreed with his policy and goals?
I responded by saying that I said at the beginning that it was the one thing that i knew about that she disagreed with the President about and I think it is good thing too. The thing of it is that wasn't what you said previously.
What I disagree with Rice about I have changed my mind, I am happy discuss it. And that is her ways of avoiding questions at the 9/11 hearings and other statements she said on talk shows regarding Iraq. I have reasons to think what I think and I am not biased.