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Uh Oh... N. Korea troubles

 
 
JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 06:54 am
Walter - I'd read elsewhere that the North Korea rumors were a US plot, and also that the "flyers" were printed in China. Also, that two papers in Japan had eyewitness info regarding the portraits being taken down and also that the rumors regarding both the flyers and the missing portraits have been discussed on a Japanese TV station recently.

So, it's hard to know what to believe.

In the meantime Colin Powell had this to say:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/117911/1/.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 07:16 am
Well, I only posted those sources, and since I don't know any eyewitness personally nor have (ever) been there ...

Voice of America reported:

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The U.S. State Department - at least publicly - is downplaying the significance of the recent reports. State Department Spokesman Adam Ereli addressed the issue briefly on Thursday.

"Quite frankly, we haven't seen really anything going on in North Korea to raise alarm bells here."
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 07:54 am
This article, written a couple weeks ago, only adds to the weirdness. These two paragraphs near the end are especially disgusting.

"While the North Koreans starved and the country descended ever more deeply into poverty, the younger Kim built at least ten palaces, complete with golf courses, stables and movie theaters. His garages are filled with luxury cars. The CIA estimates the family's wealth at four billion dollars, part of which is deposited in Swiss bank accounts.

Astonishing details about the lifestyle of the current president have now come to light. In the 1980s, he launched the "Project to Guarantee the Longevity of the Great and the Dear Leader." What this means, specifically, is that about 2,000 young women serve the leadership in "satisfaction teams" (sexual service) and "happiness teams" (massage)."

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,325971,00.html
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 08:31 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
JustWonders and Bill

I've read this story first a couple of month ago, but then with Bush talking instead of Blix. Laughing Laughing Laughing
I don't get it Walter. How does that story stay funny when you substitute a warmonger like Bush for a representative from the toothless UN? Would you not like Kim to cave in? Why not hope along with us that the disappearing pictures at least point to some reduction in crazed loyalty?

Walter Hinteler wrote:
However, there are some reactions from NKorea by now:
I would expect those reactions regardless of the truth of the situation... save if a coup had already taken place. Remember this guy?

http://www.rationalexplications.com/blog/archives/home/unclebill/www/blog/before-thumb.jpeg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 11:13 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
I would expect those reactions regardless of the truth of the situation... save if a coup had already taken place.


Axtually, I think similar, although I've not heard of a "coup" until now.

I didn't think, however, that posting to this related sources was doing any harm to get s.o.'s opinion.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 12:27 pm
Nor did I. Confused
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 12:42 pm
Perhaps an interesting wrinkle -

Quote:
Chosun Ibo: USFK Commander Says NK Nukes a Threat

Gen. Leon J. LaPorte, Combined Forces commander and 8th U.S. Army commander, said Friday about President Roh Moo-hyun's recent speech about the North Korean nuclear issue that North Korean nuclear weapons posed a sufficient threat, and there was the possibility the North would sell its plutonium, confirming the U.S. State Department position that it believed North Korean nuclear weapons would pose a threat to allies and nations friendly with the United States.
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LaPorte's comments are drawing attention as they were an open expression of position, as the Combined Forces commander and 8th Army commander, concerning the conflicting opinions of the U.S. State Department and President Roh. On Nov. 12, President Roh said in a speech in Los Angeles that one couldn't conclude North Korea's development of nuclear weapons was to attack anyone, which was followed by a U.S. State Department position statement claiming North Korea's nuclear weapons were a threat to U.S. allies.
At a breakfast hosted by the Air Force Cadet Reserve Officer Association at the Chosun Hotel on Friday, one of the participants asked LaPorte, "President Roh recently said in Los Angeles that there was some logic in North Korean claims that their nuclear weapons were for self defense, and later the U.S. State Department revealed a contrary opinion. What is your opinion on the matter?" LaPorte said he believed North Korea had the opportunity to manufacture plutonium, and while it was impossible to know North Korean intentions, [North Korean nuclear weapons] posed a sufficient threat.
He said that as the whole world knows, North Korea is selling its missiles, missile technology and military hardware, and he believed North Korea could sell its plutonium, too, in order to secure dollars.

Ahead of this, LaPorte said he didn't want to make a political judgment about President Roh's comment, but North Korea had 1.2 million men under arms, with fairly impressive military capabilities, including special warfare capabilities, submarines and missiles, and in terms of capabilities, opportunity and intention, North Korea posed a threat to South Korea.

Asked about the recent removal of portraits of Kim Jong-il within North Korea, the general said as an executor of policy, he didn't want to make any judgments about political or economic conditions in North Korea, and no matter what changes took place in North Korea, there would be no gaps in the security entrusted to the U.S. and Korean militaries.

Asked if there has recently been trouble sharing and exchanging intelligence between the U.S. and Korea, LaPorte said he knew Koreans were interested in that issue, and currently, between the two militaries, intelligence was being exchanged in an open and transparent manner every hour of every day.
He said the R.O.K. and U.S. air forces were currently conducting joint training and joint operations, and added that while the sound of jet fighters might disturb Koreans, he hoped they would understand that the sound of jet fighters was the sound of freedom.


Meanwhile, appartently, DPRK is real big on sayin' "It ain't so":

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World Peace Herald/UPI: North Korea denies Kim Jong Il is losing power

By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL

Published November 19, 2004


PYONGYANG, North Korea -- North Korea Friday denied reports that pictures of leader Kim Jong-il had been removed from public buildings in Pyongyang and that Kim was losing influence.

"It didn't happen before, and will never happen," Ri Gyong-son, a North Korean Foreign Ministry official, told China's Xinhua news agency.

Foreign diplomats had observed the removal of Kim's portrait from alongside his father's in some buildings in Pyongyang in recent weeks, leading to speculation that Kim was losing popularity. Reports also said the honorific "Dear Leader" had been dropped from Kim's name in some local media reports.

Theories included that Kim was losing power, that he was trying to tone down his personality cult, and that he was preparing to announce his successor.

The South Korean government said Wednesday it had seen no signs of civil unrest or of a change in the functioning of the North Korean government.

North Korea's Ri said the news reports indicated the United States and its allies wanted to overthrow North Korea.

"It is unimaginable that (the North Korean) people and army can separate their fates from Kim Jong-il." That, he said, would be like "trying to remove the sun from the sky."


That notwithstanding, South Korea seems not to be buying DPRK's "All is as it has been and shall remain" claims:

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Korea Times: What's Happening in the North?
Changes in Personality Cult for Kim Jong-il Draw Concern

It seems that something is taking place or might have already happened in North Korea concerning its Dear Leader Kim Jong-il.
The International Herald Tribune reported on Thursday that ``Tokyo analysts are debating the significance of an apparent downsizing of the personality cult" for the North Korean leader. Their explanations range from a demotion of the Stalinist regime¡¯s absolute ruler to an official effort by Pyongyang to lower his profile at a time when the North is increasingly in Washington's sights for its nuclear program and human rights abuses, the IHI said.

These speculations have been prompted by reports from foreign diplomats and aid workers in the North who say some portraits of Kim Jong-il in Pyongyang and provincial capitals were taken down this autumn. These reports were followed by an Itar-Tass story from Pyongyang on Tuesday in which the Russian news agency said that guests at recent North Korean Foreign Ministry receptions saw only portraits of his father, Kim Il-sung, in the People's Palace of Culture.

Japanese analysts agree that the disappearance of the portraits of the junior Kim from homes, schools and official institutions is not happening by accident as the cult of the Kim family is a primary binding force in the North, the IHT said.

Even though there is speculation in Japan and other foreign countries about Kim Jong-il's status, Pyongyang behaves as if nothing has happened. When the Itar-Tass story appeared, a North Korean diplomat in Moscow was quoted by the Russian new agency as saying: ``This is false information, lies. Can the sun be removed from the sky? It is not possible."

The Seoul government has also denied the foreign media reports by saying that portraits of Kim Jong-il are still in place. Washington, on the other hand, has so far kept silent.

Although events in the North are still shrouded in mystery, many local watchers of North Korean affairs have suggested that Kim Jung-il might be trying to tone down the ``fanatical" worship by his people in order to improve his image in the United States. They are of the opinion that the downsizing of the personality cult could be aimed at avoiding the brunt of offensives from the start of the second Bush administration over its nuclear ambitions and human rights issues.

However, it is generally feared that even if Kim Jong-il is in fact making some kind of move, it may backfire as the U.S. and the rest of the world are fed up with Pyongyang's nuclear brinkmanship and deception.

We hope that the North will show sincere efforts to end the nuclear standoff with the U.S. and improve its dire human rights conditions, instead of relying on ``hackneyed hoaxes.


Interesting-er and interesting-er, huh?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 12:47 pm
Yup!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 19 Nov, 2004 01:03 pm
On the other hand:
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Unifying goal
S. Korea mulls possibility of single team with N. Korea for '06 World Cup


SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- South Korea may consider forming a unified soccer team with North Korea for the 2006 World Cup, a South Korean soccer official said Friday.

North Korean national coach Yun Jong Su suggested earlier this week the teams unify if both qualify for the tournament in Germany.

"At the moment we are separate, and I hope both teams can qualify for the World Cup," Yun said on the Asian Football Confederation's Web site. "If we do, the two teams could be unified and go together as one. This is something that could be discussed."

Yun's comment came after his team lost 1-0 to the United Arab Emirate in Dubai on Wednesday night.

On Friday, South Korea's soccer association said it has yet to receive a formal proposal from the North.

"Certainly, we will discuss the case once the North sends us an official proposal," said You Young-chul, a spokesman for the Seoul-based Korean Football Association.

"But we will need to get an approval from FIFA and go through a quite complicated procedure to achieve it. So it will be a bit premature for now to say that we will go to the World Cup together," he added.

The two Koreas have marched together but competed separately in such international events as the Olympics and Asian Games.

South Korea reached the semifinals in 2002 World Cup, which it hosted with Japan. North Korea played in the 1966 World Cup in England and defeated Italy 1-0 in a big upset to reach the quarterfinals.

The Koreas were divided in 1945 and share a heavily fortified border following the 1950-53 Korean War that ended in a cease-fire, not a peace treaty.
:wink:
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 07:56 am
Whilst Bush and Hu push for peaceful end to North Korea nuclear crisis ...

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SEOUL, Nov. 20 (Yonhap) -- A North Korean military delegation left Saturday for a visit to Cuba, Pyongyang's state-run news agency reported Saturday.

Vice Marshal Kim Yong-chun, member of the country's National Defense Commission, is heading the delegation, according to the report by the Korean Central News Agency (KCNA), monitored here.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 09:15 am
The two Koreas recently sent an integrated team to the Olympics, so an integrated soccer tam is not unique. In recent years there have been a number of equally promising steps toward peace, but none has ever really panned out. Kim Jong-Il will loosen up the reins over family visits, or by releasing foreign nationals that he kidnapped a decade in the past, and everyone's hopes rise that a new policy might lead somewhere. Not. Mostly, these "false dawns" are pretty clearly for the purpose of making it difficult for ROK to maintain a tough stance.

Older South Koreans, especially those who remember the mass murders during the Korean War, feel about the DPRK something similar to how old Russians feel about Nazi Germany. Their children and grandchildren, on the other hand have never known anything but the 50 year long Cease-Fire. The DPRK has used every opportunity to spread unrest in the South. Kim Jong-Il, may be erratic, but he is not stupid. He knows that the only way he can achieve reunification on his terms is to have the U.S. forces as far away from the peninsula as possible. To do that he has to convince the South Korean People that the DPRK poses no threat to them, that he personally is a reasonable person who business can be done with, and that the U.S. military is both a threat to peace and an enemy of Korean independence.

The younger people have reaped great benefits from Korea's economic growth, and they are easily led to believe that reunification would be in their best interests. Korean culture is very family oriented, so families split up for generations desperately hope to be reunited with their loved ones. A large number of DPRK agents have been over the years inserted into ROK, and their primary job is to foment unrest with ROK government and the US Army. These sleeper agents are in media, the universities, government (even in the ROK legislature), and other occupations where they can quietly promote the DPRK and undermine ROK. Korean student demonstrations (often very violent) are so frequent that they are almost a seasonal sport. Incidents where the US Army can be depicted in a negative light are blown very much out of proportion. Classified military and political information regularly finds its way north. DPRK agents are just a fact of life that has to be dealt with in ROK. They are discovered, but not always unmasked.

If open conflict were renewed these agents mission would shift to sabotage, and guerilla attacks on the rear of ROK and US forces.

Things are often not what they seem, especially in Korea. While good HUMINT is limited inside the DPRK, US/ROK intelligence in the south is probably pretty good. This is a place where open conflict resulting in perhaps a half million civilian deaths could easily happen. At the moment, there is no compelling reason to initiate hostilities on either side. Our best means of forestalling large scale combat operations is to maintain a tough credible military force in and proximate to the Korean Peninsula. The existing ROK government came into office talking about asking the US Army to leave and with the stated desire to move reunification forward. They've changed their opinions since, largely because the DPRK's agenda is pretty clear.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 09:39 am
I didn't post that source to prove anything, especially not the uniqueness of an intragrated team.

This is mentioned in the source as well:
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The two Koreas have marched together but competed separately in such international events as the Olympics and Asian Games.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 20 Nov, 2004 09:58 am
I was shattered when I saw how everything's exactly as it seems.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 21 Nov, 2004 11:52 pm
Confirmation of the missing portraits.

http://www.east-asia-intel.com/eai/special.html

<Wondering if we should find and question Kim's hairdresser> Twisted Evil
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2004 12:08 am
Hmm, that source seems to be as old as the other reports previously mentioned here.

I could find any new one during the last couple of days.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2004 08:10 am
Walter - Yes. No real news and this is most likely a "non-story". Just thought you might want to see the "pretty" pictures.

And, yes, I'm aware that even these could be faked.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2004 11:05 am
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Japanese Official Warns of Fissures in North Korea

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JoongAng Ilbo/Associated Press
In May, portraits of both Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il hung in the
People's Culture Center in Pyongyang, North Korea. In August,
only Kim Il Sung's portrait remained


http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/dropcap/t.gifOKYO, Nov. 21 - After weeks of reports from North Korea of defecting generals, antigovernment posters and the disappearance of portraits of the country's ruler, the leader of Japan's governing party warned Sunday of the prospects of "regime change" in North Korea.

"As long as Chairman Kim Jong Il controls the government, we have to negotiate with him, but it is becoming more doubtful whether we will be able to achieve anything with this government," said Shinzo Abe, acting secretary general of the Liberal Democratic Party, on Fuji TV, referring to talks on North Korea's abductions of Japanese in the 1970's. "I think we should consider the possibility that a regime change will occur, and we need to start simulations of what we should do at that time."

By breaking an unspoken taboo on talking publicly about "regime change" in North Korea, the powerful Japanese politician underlined a feeling spreading in the region that cracks are starting to show in the Kim family's control over North Korea after nearly 60 years.

Hard intelligence is difficult to come by in North Korea, one of the world's most tightly controlled societies, where people are barred from sending letters abroad, making international telephone calls, emigrating or talking to foreigners without supervision. To dissuade defections, the government routinely imprisons relatives left behind.

But in recent months, there have been signs of fissures in these walls. There are indications that news is leaking out of North Korea by cellphone and that criticisms of the government are being posted in public places. Those developments and the angry response to recent legislation in the United States intended to flood the country with radios that can pick up foreign broadcasts suggest that the leadership realizes its one great achievement - near total information control - is threatened.

With the reports of Mr. Kim's portraits being removed from some public buildings and news of military defections, outside analysts are speculating that the personality cult around "Dear Leader" is being curbed, either to advance painful economic reforms or to head off a military coup fomented by China.

Persistent reports that anti-Kim leaflets and posters have recently appeared gained more credibility with the publication last Thursday in Sankei Shimbun, a conservative Tokyo newspaper, of what was described as a photograph of a hand-printed flyer smuggled out of North Korea.

"Juche philosophy made people slaves," it read, referring to the nationalist ideology of self-reliance created by Mr. Kim's father, Kim Il Sung, who died in 1994. "Juche philosophy created an absolutist hereditary kingdom, rather than one where the people are the main players."

"The Kims, father and son, made our people miserably poor and this country a world dropout that is far away from the situation of meat soup, a tile-roofed house and silk clothes that Kim Il Sung promised by 1957," it continued.

Douglas Shin, a Korean-American pastor who helps North Korean refugees flee through China, said his contacts told him that posters opposed to Kim Jong Il had appeared in three northern cities this fall. On Sunday, the Kyodo news agency of Japan reported that North Korea was cracking down on people in border cities who helped pass letters to foreigners or used cellphones to communicate with the outside world.

"Some residents have contacts with people in neighboring countries by hiding mobile phones in places with good reception, like tall buildings and hilltops," warns a North Korean document photographed by a Japanese aid group, Rescue the North Korean People Urgent Action Network. The group said the directive was published by the governing Workers Party of North Korea in November 2003.

Last spring, after a huge explosion narrowly missed Mr. Kim's armored train, the North Korean authorities banned most cellphones.

"Mobile phones have become a weapon in antigovernment movements," Lee Young Hwa, an assistant professor at Kansai University and a leader of the Japanese aid group, told Kyodo.

Analysts also say they have seen more high-level defections of late, possibly a result of more permeable borders and greater dissatisfaction.

In Seoul, an editor at Monthly Chosun, a magazine that closely follows North Korean affairs, said in an interview that when he was in northern China earlier this year, Chinese officials showed him North Korean wanted posters for generals who had managed to reach China with their families. The editor, who asked not to be identified, estimated that in recent years, 130 North Korean generals had defected to China, about 10 percent of the military elite.

Of this group, the most significant, he said, are four who have been integrated into active duty with the Chinese military in the Shenyang district, along the Korean border.

Last May, Lt. Gen. O Se Ok, a rising member of the military elite, left the North Korean port of Chongjin by boat, met a Japanese boat in the Sea of Japan and eventually made his way to the United States, according to NHK television of Japan and Kazuhiro Araki, a professor of Korean politics at Takushoku University in Japan. The general's 73-year-old father, O Kuk Ryol, ranked second on the Central Military Commission at the time, after Kim Jong Il.

"The defection of such a person was a great shock to the North Korean establishment," Professor Araki said.

During World War II, the Soviet Union armed a group of Korean exiles in Khabarovsk, just across the Amur River from what was then Japanese-controlled Manchuria. Among them was Kim Il Sung, who in 1945 was installed as the leader of Soviet-occupied northern Korea.

Now, the South Korean editor speculated, China may be forming a fallback plan should Kim Jong Il prove incapable of reforming or holding on to power. "The scenario the Chinese are looking into is to make a buffer regime through such North Korean general defectors," he said.

And then there is the mystery of the portraits, which disappeared this fall from some hotels, meeting halls and government buildings. In a country where mishandling the ruler's portrait has resulted in prison sentences, the change is believed to have required high-level authorization.

A North Korean diplomat who defected last year told the South Korean news agency Yonhap last Thursday that the embassy where he was posted received an order in early 2003 to remove the pictures.

"It was a direct order from Kim Jong Il, but no one, not even high-ranking officials had the nerve to follow the order, so the portraits continued to hang," Yonhap quoted the defector as saying.

Rüdiger Frank, who teaches East Asian political economy at the University of Vienna, wrote last week of his visit to North Korea in September. He said he "found no picture of any leader in my hotel room, as well as only Kim Il Sung's portrait in a conference room where just a few months before images of both father and son could be seen."

"An estimated 50 percent of all slogans in the capital read 'The Great Leader Kim Il Sung will always be with us,' hinting at a strong emphasis on the deceased founder" of North Korea "at the expense of his successor," he wrote in an essay posted on the Internet.

"Kim Jong Il might be resolving one of the most pressing issues in North Korean domestic politics: his succession," he continued. "We might be witnessing the first step out of many, which will eventually lead to the establishment of some kind of collective leadership in the D.P.R.K., in the name of Kim Il Sung," using the initials for North Korea's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Bradley K. Martin, author of a biography of Kim Jong Il, speculated that Mr. Kim might want to adopt a lower profile to avoid blame at home for North Korea's economic failures and to avoid "coming into the cross hairs of U.S. hawks, who were demonizing him the way they had demonized Saddam Hussein."

"Sooner or later, large numbers of North Koreans would hear that he was an object of derision to outsiders, would hear that the official version of his birth in a log cabin on Mount Paektu was false," Mr. Martin, wrote in an essay last week, alluding to the end of North Korea's information monopoly. "His admiring references to the Thai and Swedish systems in recent years suggested that Kim Jong Il was looking to transform the country into something like a limited monarchy rather than the absolute dictatorship it had become."

Meanwhile, North Korean officials insist that no change is under way.

Li Sang Su, an official with the Korea News Service, which distributes reports of the North Korean news agency in Japan, said the portrait change was merely a routine updating of images.

"They change the portraits after some years to new ones because the portraits get worn and the person gets older," he said.

On Friday, China's official New China News Agency carried an interview with a North Korean Foreign Ministry official, Ri Gyong Son, who attributed reports about the disappearing portraits to the United States and its allies who "want to overthrow" Mr. Kim.

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Well, whatever's goin' on, it don't appear to be goin' away.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2004 11:40 am
And whatever means in the context:

Quote:
NK Vice Chairman Yeon Hyeong Mook Got Treatment for Heart Disease in Russia
NOVEMBER 22, 2004 23:03
by Hun-Joo Cho ([email protected])


The Tokyo Shimbun reported from Beijing on Monday that Yeon Hyeong Mook, the vice chairman of the North Korean Defense Committee and Kim Jong Il's right hand man, secretly visited Russia and received treatment for his heart disease.

A diplomatic source reported that Yeon, known for leading North Korea's economic reform, arrived in Bejing on November 6, but directly transferred to an airplane bound for Russia without performing any diplomatic duties.


Details for his illness are not known. It is reported that he also had treatment in Europe in February of 2002, suspending official activities.


Yeon, a graduate of Czech Technical University in Prague, accompanied Kim Jong Il in his unofficial visit to China last April as an aide. North Korea's official news media has not covered any of his current political affairs since he attended the National Educational Labors' Conference held at the People`s Culture Palace on October 26.
Source
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Asherman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2004 11:53 am
Without doubt something is going on, but at this point its impossible to know what it is. Kim Jong-Il should not be underestimated. His history is checkered. One moment he assumes one pose, and then another. So far there is little to give Korea Watchers much hope that real change is near.

One of the things mentioned in Timber's article that should not be overlooked is the report that PRC is welcoming defecting DPRK generals into the PLA and posting them along the border. For most of its history Korea was a semi-autonomous province of China. The Sino-Japanese War and the Japanese-Russian War at the turn of the 20th century were both came about as Japan and Russia tried to insure Korean independance of China. Of course, neither wanted a really independant Korea, they wanted a semi-autonomous province of their own. The PRC might well envision re-integration of Korea, or part of it, into China. The Chinese claims in Korea are no worse than those the PRC used in justification for its occupation of Tibet. How would the world react if the PRC were to suddenly occupy the DPRK?

Folks inside the Intelligence Community have thought about this, but it has always seemed only a remote possibility. Perhaps we should revisit the notion.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Mon 22 Nov, 2004 11:55 am
It does appear that it's something.
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