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Uh Oh... N. Korea troubles

 
 
JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 06:04 pm
North Korean Media Airs Kim Power Transfer to Sons, Grandsons

North Korea's media has for the first time raised the issue of a possible hereditary transfer of power from dictator Kim Jong-Il to one of his sons. Kim, who turns 63 next month, inherited power from his father Kim Il-Sung in 1994 as North Korea established the world's first communist dynasty. Kim was anointed by his father when the elder Kim was 62. Kim Jong-Il is now believed to be ready to anoint one of his own three sons, none of whom was mentioned by name in the North Korean radio report.

South Korea's JoongAng Daily said talk of the succession was aired publicly in North Korea for the first time on state radio on Thursday in a political commentary. "Our founder Kim Il-Sung, when he was alive, emphasized that if he falls short of completing the revolution, it will be continued by his son and grandson," the newspaper quoted the commentary as saying, noting that the term grandson referred to one of Kim Jong-Il's heirs apparent. Yonhap news agency also reported the commentary which quoted the words of Kim Jong-Il in the context of passing on power to a new generation. "A couple years ago, our dear leader Kim Jong-Il told workers, 'I will keep the will of my father....'," the newspaper quoted the commentary as saying. "This is a philosophy that revolution should be completed even if it takes place in the next generation ... If our tradition is great, then the inheritance of it should be great as well."

Kim's eldest son Kim Jong-Nam, 33, is in contention to inherit power in arguably the world's most isolated country though he may be losing out in a power struggle, according to experts. Jong-Nam's mother is Song Hye-Rim, Kim's former companion who reportedly died of heart disease in Moscow in 2003.

His two rivals for the succession are Kim Jong-Chul, 23, and Kim Jong-Woon, 21. They are sons of Ko Yong-Hui, a former actress who died last year. Kim Jong-Nam is believed to have fallen from grace after he was deported from Japan for illegal entry in 2001.

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"If he falls short"..........hehe.
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Asherman
 
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Reply Mon 31 Jan, 2005 06:50 pm
Kim Il-Sung did not give up power after naming Jong-Il as his successor. Neither should we suppose that Jong-Il will give up power once he names a successor. Jong-Il may indeed finally be getting around to providing for dynastic change. Naming a successor well in advance would give the heir ample opportunity to consolidate their place, prepare and train the successor to continue the "revolution", and reduce internal competition for the post.

Jong-Nam, the eldest son, was once the shoo-in favorite for his daddy's successor. Jong-Il always favored Nam, and saw to it that he occupied essential posts to prepare him for succession. Jong-Nam, like all of Jong-Il's known sons, was educated in Switzerland. Jong-Nam appears to have fallen out of favor after he was discovered illegally in Japan. He claimed to be on a shopping tour, but there is reasonably good evidence that his presence in Japan had intelligence aspects. Since that embarrassment to the DPRK, Jong-Nam has joined the international playboy scene. He's been a fixture in gambling casinos and other nightspots in Souteast Asia. It was Jong-Nam who was supposedly the target of an assassin in Austria recently. Austria, like Switzerland, is a favorite stomping ground for DPRK big shots. There is not good evidence that the assassination plot was anything but a bit of overzealous media supposition.

In Korean Culture the eldest son has a particularly strong claim to the family business. However, Jong-Nam's legitimacy has been questioned, and his being outside the country doesn't help his position. Whatever influence Jong-Nam had has probably eroded, and he may not particularly want the job anyway. Afterall, why give up the pleasures of exile for the dreary task of running a police state that is continually on the brink of disaster? Jong-Il's oldest legitimate children are daughters, but they aren't in the running.

Jong-Chul is the oldest son of Jong-Il's second (?) marriage, and that gives him a little bit of a claim. He has been given a number of "important" posts, but apparently very little power. He's thought to be a quiet and retiring sort of young man, but that may be due to having to stand in the shadow of his daddy. I saw in a post above a report that he engaged in a "shoot-out" with an illegitimate cousin. I haven't seen that anywhere else, and wonder at the source of the report.

Jong-Chul, according to Jong-Il's sushi chef who escaped back to Japan, is not favored by his daddy. Though Chul is sometimes called the "Little General", Jong-Il supposedly thinks him "not manly". Chul got his nickname after appearing in public wearing a high-ranking army general's uniform when he was still a child.

Jong-Woon, seems the least likely but may end up on the throne anyway. He's sometime called the "King of the Morning Mists". Other than his education in the West, we know even less about Jong-Woon than his two older brothers. Some analysts have claimed to detect some "evidence" that Jong-Il favors this son. Of course, it isn't too unusual for parents to dote on the youngest ... if Jong-Woon is indeed the youngest.

Jong-Il appears to have sown his seeds widely on a large field. We believe the full family is large, and no one knows how many illegitimate children there might be. The possibility that Jong-Il would designate a successor outside of his own favored children is regarded as remote. Folks should not be deceived into thinking that by naming a successor Jong-Il is on the brink of losing it. His health is thought to be pretty good and he has the very best health care available in the DPRK. He has, it seems, a firm grip on both Party and Military. His secret police and special guards are exceptionally loyal to him. We might hope for a new DPRK head of state, but that really isn't likely yet.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2005 01:32 am
Nothing political, really, but

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North Korea Declares War on Long Hair
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2005 10:54 am
Tests Said to Tie Deal on Uranium to North Korea

By DAVID E. SANGER and WILLIAM J. BROAD

ASHINGTON, Feb. 1 - Scientific tests have led American intelligence agencies and government scientists to conclude with near certainty that North Korea sold processed uranium to Libya, bolstering earlier indications that the reclusive state exported sensitive fuel for atomic weapons, according to officials with access to the intelligence.

The determination, which has circulated among senior government officials in recent weeks, has touched off a hunt to determine if North Korea has also sold uranium to other countries, including Iran and Syria. So far, there is no evidence that such additional transactions took place.

Nonetheless, the conclusion about Libya, which is contained in a classified briefing that has been described to The New York Times, could alter Washington's debate about the assessment of the North Korean nuclear threat. In the past, some administration officials have argued that there is time to find a diplomatic solution because there was no evidence that the government of Kim Jung Il was spreading its atomic technology abroad.

Nine months ago, international inspectors came up with the first evidence that the North may have provided Libya with nearly two tons of uranium hexaflouride, the material that can be fed into nuclear centrifuges and enriched into bomb fuel. Libya surrendered its huge cask of the highly toxic material to the United States when it dismantled its nuclear program last year.

Now, intelligence officials say, extensive testing conducted at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee over the last several months has concluded that the material did not originate in Pakistan or other suspect countries, and one official said that "with a certainty of 90 percent or better, this stuff's from North Korea."

It is unclear if there are any dissenting views in the government, though some outside experts have accused the administration of overstating intelligence on North Korea. Officials cautioned that the analysis of the uranium had been hampered by the fact that the United States has no sample of known North Korean uranium for comparison with the Libya material. The study was done by eliminating other possible sources of uranium, a result that is less certain than the nuclear equivalent of matching DNA samples.

One recently retired Pentagon official who has long experience dealing with North Korea said the new finding was "huge, because it changes the whole equation with the North."

"It suggests we don't have time to sit around and wait for the outcome of negotiations," he said. "It's a scary conclusion because you don't know who else they may have sold to."

President Bush is expected to mention North Korea in his State of the Union address on Wednesday night. In that speech three years ago, he identified the country as part of an "Axis of Evil," along with Iran and Iraq. Two weeks ago Condoleezza Rice, in her confirmation hearings for secretary of state, included North Korea in a list of six "outposts of tyranny," but a senior administration official said Mr. Bush was not planning to use that phrase in his speech.

On Tuesday, in an interview with Reuters and Agence France-Presse, Ms. Rice said of North Korea, "We made a very good proposal at the last round of six-party talks and it's on the table for the taking."

"The idea that somehow the United States is hostilely going to attack North Korea couldn't be more far fetched," she said. A spokesman for the National Security Council, Frederick Jones, declined to comment Tuesday night on the report of the new North Korea findings, citing "intelligence concerns."

Questions of how to deal with North Korea - through engagement and dialogue or through sanctions and pressure to crack its government - have divided the Bush administration since its first days. Vice President Dick Cheney has led the hawkish faction, declaring that "time is not on our side." While some of the officials interviewed about the most recent North Korean evidence have been involved in that policy debate, others have not been, and have either examined the scientific evidence or received intelligence briefings about its conclusions.

Some findings have been shared with American allies and with the Chinese, who have long been dubious that North Korea has an active uranium program under way. There is also some skepticism in the United States: Selig Harrison, a North Korea scholar at the Woodrow Wilson International Center in Washington, has questioned the evidence that the North is secretly pursuing uranium weapons to complement the small arsenal it is believed to have produced out of plutonium. He wrote in the journal Foreign Affairs recently that the Bush administration has relied "on sketchy data" and "a worst-case assessment" of the North's capabilities.

The government's most recent intelligence reports, however, strongly suggest North Korea has begun turning raw uranium, which the country mines, into uranium hexaflouride, a modestly complex process.

"This pushes along our understanding of the North Korean program," said Leonard S. Specter, the deputy director of the Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute in California. "It means the North Koreans have built a facility to process uranium. And it raises the disturbing prospect that they've now made enough of it to feel comfortable selling some."

Nuclear intelligence experts said the new clues that implicate North Korea as Libya's supplier involve the fingerprints of uranium isotopes, or different forms of the element. Federal analysts, they said, took samples of the Libyan uranium and compared its isotope fingerprint with those of uranium samples from other countries and, by process of elimination, concluded that the uranium had come from North Korea.

Uranium has three main isotopes. The most prevalent is U-238, which accounts for a vast majority of natural uranium. U-235 is rare, but it is prized because it easily splits to produce the bursts of atomic energy that power reactors and nuclear warheads.

To trace the Libyan uranium, the government sleuths focused on an even rarer isotope, U-234. They did so because it turns out that concentrations of that isotope vary widely among uranium deposits and mines around the world.

"The science is pretty clear," said a senior federal intelligence official knowledgeable of the secret North Korea finding.

The U-234 content "fluctuates over a wide range," the Russian scientists reported.

A nuclear scientist who consults for federal intelligence agencies but was unaware of the North Korean finding said analysts could use such U-234 information to track the origin of a uranium sample, much as detectives match fingerprints from a crime scene to archives.

He said the analysts could examine the U-234 concentrations in the Libyan sample and compare it with samples from deposits from around the world. Since Western intelligence agencies have no known samples of North Korean uranium, he added, the analysis would proceed by the process of elimination.

Therefore, the strength of the North Korea conclusion would grow in proportion to the number of samples the scientists had from around the world. It is unknown how many samples exist from various uranium deposits or how many samples the federal analysts scrutinized for signs of similarity.

A second nuclear scientist who consults for the federal government on North Korea said he suspected that Pakistani scientists had helped the North ot only to make uranium centrifuges but also to build a plant that transformed raw uranium from the country's mines into uranium hexafluoride, the form that centrifuges can enrich.

He said he didn't think North Korea "did it by itself" ' in making the uranium plant. Another former official suggested that the components for the plant might have been purchased elsewhere, perhaps from Japan or Europe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/02/politics/02nukes.html?ei=5094&en=decef909e93c12b8&hp=&ex=1107406800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print&position=
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Feb, 2005 11:18 am
Following yesterday's article, quoted by JW above:

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US Says New Evidence of N. Korea Nuclear Exports
Wed Feb 2, 2005 11:42 AM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States has developed new evidence which bolsters earlier indications that North Korea is the source of nuclear material exported to Libya, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.
The new data also involves more proof that Pyongyang reprocessed all 8,000 spent fuel rods from a nuclear facility at Yongbyon, enough to fuel about a half dozen nuclear weapons, officials told Reuters.

Experts said the new information appeared to confirm what was previously known rather than to break new ground.

The United States and other countries have been urging Pyongyang to return multilateral talks on its nuclear programs. North Korea has been watching for President Bush's State of the Union address on Wednesday night for signs of U.S. interest in engaging with the reclusive communist state.

The New York Times reported on Wednesday that nine months ago, international inspectors came up with the first evidence that North Korea may have provided Libya with nearly two tons of uranium hexaflouride, the material that can be fed into nuclear centrifuges and enriched into bomb fuel. Libya surrendered its huge cask of the highly toxic material to the United States when it dismantled its nuclear program last year, it said.

Now, intelligence officials say, extensive testing conducted at the Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee over the last several months has concluded that the material did not originate in Pakistan or other suspect countries, and one official said that "with a certainty of 90 percent or better, this stuff's from North Korea," the article said.

The newspaper said it is unclear if there are any dissenting views in the government, though some outside experts have accused the administration of overstating intelligence on North Korea.

Officials cautioned the newspaper that the analysis of the uranium had been hampered by the fact that the United States has no sample of known North Korean uranium for comparison with the Libyan material. The study was done by eliminating other possible sources of uranium, a result that is less certain than the nuclear equivalent of matching DNA samples, according to the article.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 09:37 am
North Korea Threatens Attacks on U.S. Military Bases

By Sang-Hun Choe Associated Press Writer
Published: Feb 4, 2005

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - North Korea will turn U.S. military bases in the region into a "sea of fire" if war breaks out on the Korean Peninsula, North Korean media on Friday quoted a communist officer as saying.
The North's state-run news media highlighted the comment hours after South Korea released a new defense policy paper that revealed a U.S. reinforcement plan to dispatch 690,000 troops and 2,000 warplanes if war breaks out in Korea.

North Korea's saber-rattling rhetoric comes as the isolated North is urging its military to prepare for what it calls a U.S. plan to invade. Washington and its allies say they are trying to end the North's nuclear weapons programs through multinational disarmament talks

"If the U.S. imperialists ignite flames of war, we will first of all strike all bases of U.S. imperialist aggressors and turn them into a sea of fire," North Korea's Central Radio quoted officer Hur Ryong as saying, according to the South Korean news agency Yonhap.

Hur was also quoted as saying that the North Korean military will "thoroughly incinerate the aggressor elements that collude with the U.S. imperialists," in an apparent reference to South Korea and Japan, both of which host U.S. military bases.

Hur made his comment on Wednesday during a debate in Pyongyang on leader Kim Jong Il's "army-first" policy that stresses military strength.

Earlier Friday, South Korea released its new defense white paper that mirrored its efforts to redefine half-century-old confrontation with the communist North as well as adjust its alliance with the United States.

The white paper, which has been updated for the first time in four years, removes 10-year-old references to North Korea being the South's "main enemy," though it still calls the North a "direct military threat."

The removal of the "main enemy" term is largely symbolic but reflects South Korea's efforts at fostering reconciliation with North Korea.

The commitment of U.S. troops in the event of war appears aimed at easing concerns that Washington's plan to use U.S. troops in South Korea as rapid regional redeployments could create a security vacuum in the world's last remaining Cold War flash point.

"The reinforcement plan reflects a strong U.S. commitment to defending South Korea," the South Korean white paper said.

North Korea, which accuses the United States and South Korea of preparing to invade over its nuclear weapons programs, has added more artillery pieces and missiles to its Korean People's Army, already the world's fifth largest, it said. The number of North Korean troops remained unchanged at 1.17 million.

Already armed with large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, the North is resisting U.S. pressure to give up its nuclear weapons programs. Three rounds of six-nation talks aimed at ending the programs produced no breakthroughs.

The United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia are struggling to schedule a new round of talks.

Seoul and Washington forged their alliance during the 1950-53 Korean War, when American troops led U.N. forces to defend South Korea from communist invaders. The war ended in a truce, not a peace treaty, leaving the peninsula still technically at war.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBQS35CS4E.html

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I was wondering when this "sea of fire" guy (Ryong Hur) would pop up again. He's been laying low....maybe spending his time watching too many "dragon" movies? Smile
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Asherman
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 10:43 am
JW,

Same old, same old. This is the sort of rhetoric that we've been hearing out of the DPRK for fifty years. Just prior to any negotiating session the rhetoric intensifies and the DPRK often moves its forces in a threatening manner. The threats change nothing, they are designed to frighten us into making concessions at the table. The little boy has cried wolf too often for the tactic to be effective with our governments negotiators.

I'm sure there is no intention by Washington to initiate a return to combat on the peninsula at this time. It isn't necessary, the DPRK is, and has been, acting suicidal for a long time. DPRK hasn't the staying power to conduct successful operations south of the DMZ, as long as the US is fully committed to defending the ROK. As I've said before, the DPRK nuclear stockpile is too small and unreliable to make it a major factor in an actual attack into the ROK. Chemical warfare is more likely. Biologicals are truly more dangerous than conventional forces, chemicals, or nuclear devices. First use of ABC weapons by the DPRK would be the stupidest move they could make. There is an outside chance that the DPRK might strike out as a last gasp before disintegrating, and that is when they are most likely to use ABC weapons. It is far better at this time to let the DPRK strangle itself by itself.

There are several scenarios that might change our waiting strategy.

* A full-blown attack on ROK. The DPRK isn't likely to attack anyone else in the region for a number of good reasons.

* Full collapse of the DPRK, and the need to provide immediate humanitarian assistance to the North. This would be analogous to the reunification of East and West Germany, though the stresses might be far more serious. Of course this scenario makes a "waiting strategy" null.

* An invasion of DPRK by the PRC.

* Evidence that ABC materials from DPRK were transferred into the hands of international terrorists.

* One or both of the following: (1) successful tests of true ICBMs with nuclear capability, and evidence that the DPRK has already produced and stacked multiple missiles; (2) A successful nuclear warhead test (probably carried out in Iran). The best time to militarily "take out" the DPRK atomic program was before they began producing weapons. The development of a credible delivery system capable of hitting targets outside the region would be of major concern. Even now the nuclear threat to Japan is just a hair below tolerable.

The DPRK's primary goals have always been regime survival, and domination of a reunified Korea. Our goals mirror theirs. ROK/US and world wants reunification of Korea where all of the people can enjoy the Four Freedoms. That can only happen if the DPRK abandons tyranny and oppression. After over fifty years, it is unreasonable to suppose that the Kims will renounce their aggressive goals, and adopt policies that will benefit their citizens rather than kill them.





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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 11:09 am
Asherman - I agree with this being "same old, same old". Their targeting abilities don't get wide reporting, but as you point out they did miss Japan, and our bases are much, much smaller according to my map Smile. (Our targeting capabilities, I suppose, is a tolerance of mere yards?)

Past intel suggests Seoul itself is within range of approximately 10,000 DPRK artillery pieces and those don't need guidance, not to mention we've moved our bases south of Seoul.

Hur is predictably all bark and no bite. That they're still holding the USS Pueblo (still commissioned) is but one reason we'd need, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm all for watching them implode from within (and the sooner the better for the sake of the people).
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Asherman
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 01:29 pm
JW,

I suppose you are referring to the DPRK missile test a while ago that splashed down in the waters of the North Pacific past Japan. The test has not been repeated on a missile that still had/has limited range. They have a larger multistage missile believed theoretically capable of hitting the west coast of the United States. However, that missile has never been tested, nor even stacked. At least one was observed in Iran, but there is no evidence that it has ever been tested there. The DPRK has a relatively large number of short range missiles based on Soviet designs. Attaching nuclear warheads to the short range missiles would be difficult, and would only reach Japan if fired from near the south end of the peninsula. None of the missiles are thought to be precise in their targeting and control.

The greatest concentration of DPRK military is within a hundred miles or so of the DMZ. Seoul is within range of DPRK artillery, though the exact number of tubes is either not known, or classified. Most at risk of artillery bombardment are those sections of the city north of the Han River. BTW, that's where our grandchildren and In-Laws live. US forces stationed in Korea are still headquartered in the city. There are plans to move our location south, but that will not occur for sometime yet. The ROK is supposed to provide the land and much of the cost of relocation, but they have been very, very slow to act, and setting up a new major base is not something that is done overnight. Some USA has beentransferedd to Iraq, and eventually the garrison will be reduced by about one third.

Reducing US forces on the peninsula is a risk, but not a large one so long as we maintain the ability to deter and delay DPRK aggression. The routes that must be followed south are constrained by the geography. We and the ROK have spent 50 years perfecting the defenses of that ground. Likely targets are preregistered, and any infantry/armor crossing the ground will pay a very heavy price. Within hours the first US air support from Japan and Okinawa will be on the scene. The Marines on Okinawa will saddle up and can be on the ground in a few days. If the North comes South, it will be much harder this time than it was back in 1950 for them to push beyond Seoul ... if they get that far. The only real danger would be if the US were to signal an unwillingness to provide the military shield we've been promising for over half a century. As long as we have American troops on the ground, the DPRK is unlikely to do anything really foolish.

True, they still hold the Pueblo, but that isn't a big deal. There are things about the Pueblo incident that remain very highly classified. Perhaps one day files will be made public that will astonish a whole lot of people.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Fri 4 Feb, 2005 02:42 pm
It's sad to me, though, that they're using the Pueblo as a tourist attraction. Their people are on half rations, but they're keeping her afloat and giving tours to boot.

http://www.korea-dpr.com/gallery/albums/micheldprk/aas.sized.jpg

I read a rumor that when they moved her through international waters a few years ago, she was wired with explosives and I guess that was to "dissuade" us trying to retake her, although some think we should have tried.

I know that some of the documentation has already been declassified, but not all. Much of what is already known is astonishing.

http://www.kilroy.cx/Vietnam/USS_Pueblo.jpg

http://marmot.blogs.com/korea/uss_pueblo.jpeg

Some Vets have set up a website, trying to piece together as much information as possible on what happened as they can discover. Interesting reading.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:13 pm
Quote:
N. Korea Declares Itself a Nuclear Power
Pyongyang Indicates It Will Withdraw Indefinitely From Six-Nation Disarmament Talks

By Anthony Faiola
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, February 10, 2005; 2:50 PM

TOKYO Feb. 10 -- North Korea on Thursday declared itself a de facto nuclear power, claiming in its strongest terms to date that it had "manufactured nuclear weapons" to defend itself from the United States and saying it would withdraw indefinitely from international disarmament talks.

Since withdrawing from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and ejecting weapons inspectors in a dispute with the Bush administration in late 2002, North Korea has used less specific language, both publicly and privately, to describe the development of what it has dubbed a "nuclear deterrent." But on Thursday, an official North Korean statement employed wording that analysts and several Asian diplomats saw as a virtual declaration that it has become a nuclear power.

"In response to the Bush administration's increasingly hostile policy toward North Korea, we . . . have manufactured nuclear weapons for self-defense," the government said in an official statement through its Korean Central News Agency.

Without evidence of a nuclear test, considered difficult given North Korea's small size and broad border with its chief benefactor, China, North Korea's assertion remains just that -- an assertion. The statement, however, seemed to comport with estimates by U.S. intelligence officials, who believe that North Korea has developed at least a couple of nuclear devices and has reprocessed 8,000 spent fuel rods into plutonium -- potentially enough to make as many as six more.

The declaration, nonetheless, raised the stakes for a quick diplomatic solution to the North Korean nuclear issue while posing new hurdles for the Bush administration as it tries to bring Pyongyang back to disarmament talks that have been stalled since last June. In recent days, administration officials have briefed Asian allies on evidence that North Korea sold nuclear material to Libya in 2001, demonstrating the urgency of bringing Pyongyang into compliance.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who is winding up her first foreign trip since taking the helm of the State Department, warned North Korea to reconsider its decision to break off disarmament talks or face deepening isolation from the rest of the world and greater suffering for its people.

"With our deterrent capability on the Korean peninsula . . . the United States and its allies can deal with any potential threat from North Korea. And North Korea, I think, understands that. But we are trying to give the North Koreans a different path," Rice said at a press conference in Luxembourg with three European Union leaders.

Rice said the United States has assumed Pyongyang had a nuclear capability since the mid-1990s.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said North Korea's statement was worrisome in part because the hard-line communist nation is "probably one of the world's leading proliferators of ballistic missile technology."

Speaking to reporters at a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Nice on the French Riviera, Rumsfeld said, "Given their dictatorial regime and their repression of their own people, one has to worry about weapons of that power in the hands of leadership of that nature." He said the North Korean leadership was not known for being "restrained."

In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said North Korea should return to six-party talks with the United States, China, Russia, South Korea and Japan.

"If North Korea commits to giving up its nuclear weapons and permanently dismantling its nuclear weapons programs, there are multilateral security assurances that will be provided to North Korea," McClellan told reporters. "We remain committed to the six-party talks," he added. "We remain committed to a peaceful, diplomatic resolution to the nuclear issue with regards to North Korea."

South Korea and Japan on Thursday called on Pyongyang to return to the disarmament talks and raised the possibility of international sanctions if it does not.

Asian diplomats had hoped that President Bush's relatively conciliatory State of the Union Speech last month would do the trick. After calling North Korea a member of the "Axis of Evil" with Iran and Iraq three years ago, Bush refrained from reiterating a hard-line approach against North Korea, instead emphasizing the need for international cooperation to solve the crisis.

But in its Thursday statement, North Korea latched on to Rice's statements during her confirmation hearings, suggesting that her identification of North Korea as "an outpost of tyranny" meant U.S. policy -- demanding unilateral disarmament without economic and diplomatic incentives up front -- had not changed. North Korea outlined a rationale not only for indefinitely boycotting the six-party disarmament talks but also for increasing its nuclear arsenal.

"The Bush administration termed the DPRK" -- North Korea's official name -- "an 'outpost of tyranny,' " North Korea said in Thursday's statement. "This deprived the DPRK of any justification to participate in the six-party talks" and "compels us to take a measure to bolster our nuclear weapons arsenal in order to protect the ideology, system, freedom and democracy chosen by the people in the DPRK."

North Korea was seen by analysts as withholding an earlier declaration as a nuclear power in part as a bargaining chip in the talks. Many believe it had delayed a return to the table to see if Bush was reelected, and then, what the new administration's policy might be.

Analysts concluded that North Korea's statement Thursday meant it no longer saw anything to lose, given that the Bush administration, with a largely similar cast, is now entrenched for four more years.

"They are using this to try to force the U.S. to deal with them now as a nuclear-possessing country, and to escalate their demands," said Pyong Jin Il, a leading Tokyo-based North Korea expert and editor of the Korea Report. "They are going to try to force the U.S. to deal with it on an equal stand as China, Russia, India and Pakistan. They are asking the U.S. and the rest of the world to negotiate with them as a nuclear power."

Some officials on Thursday called the statement more of the North's typical brinksmanship designed to win the upper hand in negotiations. Several officials also compared it to previous missives -- particularly a statement to the press made by North Korea's vice foreign minister, Choe Su Hon, last September at the United Nations, where he said his government had "weaponized" nuclear material. North Korea has also privately told U.S. officials that it has nuclear weapons and has threatened to stage a test.

But other Asian diplomats and analysts saw the North Korean statement as significant because of its clarity, specificity and source -- an official government statement. A vital unknown factor, however, remains whether North Korea has mastered the technology to deliver such devices through its arsenal of short- and mid-range ballistic missiles. Even so, "the concern is that they have them at all," said one Asian diplomat. "They could be mounted on ships or planes and be delivered in a primitive but potentially effective way."

South Korea said Thursday the North's decision to stay away from talks was "seriously regrettable." Foreign Ministry spokesman Lee Kyu Hyung said, "We again declare our stance that we will never tolerate North Korea possessing nuclear weapons."

Officials in Tokyo, as in Washington, have been looking to China -- which provides up to 80 percent of North Korea's energy and has on occasion cut off oil supplies to force it into submission -- to pressure Pyongyang. A Chinese official was reported to be planning a mission to North Korea this month, leaving Asian diplomats upbeat that at least lower level disarmament talks would soon take place. Shigeru Ishiba, Japan's influential former defense minister and a legislator in its ruling Liberal Democratic Party, said it is time "for China to do more."

If China cannot get North Korea back to the bargaining table in short order, he said, international sanctions may now be in order. "Because the situation has now come this far, I personally believe it is time that we bring this issue before the [United Nations] Security Council," he said. Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, under pressure at home to impose bilateral sanctions against North Korea, immediately called on Pyongyang to return to the stalled nuclear talks. "It would be better if we resumed talks soon," he told the Kyodo News service. "Just as we have until now, we will cooperate with the other countries toward this end."

A broader fear for U.S. officials is proliferation by North Korea. Besides its publicly professed plutonium program, North Korea is believed to have a second uranium enrichment program.

The standoff with North Korea began after Pyongyang privately admitted to the uranium program in Sept. 2002, U.S. officials say, a violation of North Korea's earlier agreement with the Clinton administration to abandon its nuclear weapons programs. It touched off a tense two years in which North Korea kicked out weapons inspectors and announced the reprocessing of its spent plutonium rods.

But it has steadfastly denied admitting to the second uranium program, which again became the focus of attention last week after U.S. officials reportedly told China, South Korea and Japan that North Korea provided Libya with 1.6 tons of converted uranium that could be enriched to nuclear-bomb-grade level. Libya turned the uranium hexafluoride over to the United States last year as part of its agreement to give up its program of weapons of mass destruction.

"I think certainly you have to be concerned about the potential for sales to terrorist groups; I think North Korea would sell to anyone with hard currency," Undersecretary of State John R. Bolton, told reporters in Tokyo Wednesday morning before North Korea's announcement. "It's bad enough that they would sell missile technology or chemical or biological weapons capability, but the nuclear capabilities are obviously the most dangerous of all."

Staff writer Robin Wright in Luxembourg and special correspondent Akiko Yamamoto in Tokyo contributed to this report. Staff writer William Branigin contributed from Washington.


Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12836-2005Feb10_2.html.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:17 pm
I don't think that 'news' shocked anyone unless they just landed here from some other planet.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:20 pm
The news isn't that they have nuclear weapons; it's that they've called off talks and taken an increasingly hard-line. Read the whole article. It's front page on NYTimes, WashPost, CNN, Foxnews, etc. That's not news?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:36 pm
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/china.50/asian.superpower/us.v.china/link.korea.map.cnn.jpg

One might wonder how China feels about that revelation.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:40 pm
I have often wondered why China hasn't just stomped on the little tyrant.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:48 pm
It's a difficult situation. I'm sure that China isn't pleased by Kim Jong-Il, who is pretty much verifiably insane.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 03:54 pm
On a lighter note.... I read this story yesterday..... Laughing

Quote:
'Team America' unsettles Team Kim in Pyongyang

The caricature of North Korea's "Dear Leader", Kim Jong-Il, in the film, "Team America: World Police," is striking a discordant note among North Korean officials, and probably their supreme leader himself, despite his well-known love for private viewings of foreign movies.

Word from Prague, the capital of the Czech Republic, is that the North Korean embassy there is asking the government to ban the film, the creation of Trey Parker and Matt Stone of South Park fame. The Czech Foreign Ministry, however, said the North Koreans had been rebuffed in their effort to undermine the Czech Republic's post-Communist era freedom. The film shows marionettes attempting to stop Kim Jong-Il from destroying cities around the globe.

A Czech newspaper, Lidove Noviny, reports that a North Korean diplomat complained that the film "harms the image of our country." He was even quoted as saying, "Such behavior is not part of our country's political culture."

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/05/breaking2453411.0520833335.html


Which brings me to this (LOL)....

Kim Jong sings "I'm So Lonely"
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 04:03 pm
Steppenwolf wrote:
The news isn't that they have nuclear weapons; it's that they've called off talks and taken an increasingly hard-line. Read the whole article. It's front page on NYTimes, WashPost, CNN, Foxnews, etc. That's not news?


That isn't really news either, he does this occasionally to get leverage leading up to the talks.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 04:13 pm
Brand X wrote:
Steppenwolf wrote:
The news isn't that they have nuclear weapons; it's that they've called off talks and taken an increasingly hard-line. Read the whole article. It's front page on NYTimes, WashPost, CNN, Foxnews, etc. That's not news?


That isn't really news either, he does this occasionally to get leverage leading up to the talks.



Brand X, if you're not interested in political discussion about the DPRK, then perhaps this thread isn't for you. I--as well as every major news outlet in America--found the DPRK's statements to be meaningful and worthy of discussion. Of course, you are free to ignore us.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Thu 10 Feb, 2005 04:14 pm
Not to worry...Condi is on top of things!

Quote:
US tells North Korea it is choosing isolation

The Bush administration, chafing under North Korea's retreat from multilateral talks on nuclear disarmament, sought Thursday to push Pyongyang back to the bargaining table and warned that it faces increasing international isolation.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had to confront the issue head-on as the North Koreans announced their renunciation of six-party talks as she was wrapping up her first international trip as the top U.S. diplomat. At a meeting of European Union leaders in Luxembourg, she said the world community had given North Korea "a way out" and said its leaders should take it.

President Bush's press secretary, Scott McClellan, talked similarly back in the United States, telling reporters traveling with Bush that the United States still wants six-party talks.

"We remain committed to a peaceful diplomatic resolution to the nuclear issue with regards to North Korea," McClellan told reporters aboard Air Force One en route to a presidential appearance in Fargo, N.D. "It's time to talk about how to move forward."

Both Rice and McClellan played down any significance of North Korea's dramatic public announcement Thursday that it has nuclear weapons. "We've heard this kind of rhetoric from North Korea before," McClellan said.

U.S. officials believe North Korea may have anywhere from four to two dozen nuclear devices, depending on the assumptions used about the bombs' designs.

The United States, South Korea, China, Japan and Russia have struggled to arrange a fourth round of talks aimed at persuading North Korea to abandon its nuclear weapons programs. The last round was held last June.

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said the Bush administration has failed to sufficiently pressure China to use its leverage with the North Koreans and said the administration also should consider direct, two-party talks with North Korea.

"This administration has not paid enough attention to the situation in North Korea," Pelosi said. "The North Koreans know that we are otherwise occupied in military actions in other parts of the world and they have taken the liberty to be brazen."

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he did not know whether North Korea had the weapons it claimed, but "one has to be concerned about it from a proliferation standpoint."

"One has to worry about weapons of that power in leadership of that nature," he added. "I don't think anyone would characterize the leadership in that country as being restrained."

A U.S. official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, noted that the North Korean government had been laying the groundwork for the announcement for some time, with less public statements aimed at revealing a nuclear deterrent.

For example, the regime privately told Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly in 2002 that it had a secret uranium-enrichment program that violated its 1994 agreement.

North Korea's announcement Thursday came one week after anonymous Bush administration officials said there was strong evidence that North Korea sold processed uranium to Libya.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=2&u=/ap/20050210/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_nkorea_1


Perhaps Secretary Rice should include the nuclear warhead count on our submarine-launched cruise missiles that could be within short range of the DPRK at a moment's notice in her next "policy speech", and then tell the Chinese that we won't be taking part in any talks regarding the additional arming of Japan and South Korea.
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