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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
Magginkat
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:43 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Because you posted an opinion piece by Robert Fisk as if he was an authority on this subject. I was simply expressing my opinion that he is neither an authority on the subject nor is he always fair and balanced when he offers his opinion.



Fox,
You are coming up with some unusual requirements for one to post their opinion today. Who dictated that an opinion had to be fair and balanced?

By the way, when someone uses that term (fair & blanaced), I am usually inclined to turn around and run because I associate it with the propaganda producing Faux Spews network. which has spewed more lies than george bu$h.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:44 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
Just for the record I did not come here to impress you or anyone else.
ROFL! Lucky thing, that. Laughing


Back at ya' Bill
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:46 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
Military aggression is evil. Defense, is not. I imagine AI has seen the effects of war often enough to know.


Lets see what "evil" military aggression has caused.

It was military aggression that freed the 13 colonies from England,
It was military aggression that ended the civil war,
It was military aggression that opened the west,
It was military aggression that ended WW2,
it was military aggression that freed the hostages in Grenada,
it was military aggression that ended WW1,
it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.

There are countless examples where military agression,wether overt or covert,has been beneficial to the world.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:52 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Fisk is a world classed douche bag and his opinion matters as much as a pile dog crap on a cold winter day.



Indeed it is merely your opinion and probably not shared by a lot of people. I dare say that Fisk is one of the most respected journalists alive today. Just because those of the rabid right persuasion don't agree does not mean that he is a douche bag.

You comment does remind me of one that I wrote to describe the rabid right gang at Abuzz a couple years ago. It goes like this:

Any time a Republican/Conservative/Rightie tries to describe a Democrat/Liberal/ or anyone who opposes them, they always.........ALWAYS describe themselves!

I'd almost bet money that this is correct in your case.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:53 pm
mysteryman wrote:

it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.


I think differently about WW1 and WW" (I thaught until your post, military aggression started these wars, especially WWII), but of what military aggression exactly do think of as in above?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:54 pm
Magginkat wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Because you posted an opinion piece by Robert Fisk as if he was an authority on this subject. I was simply expressing my opinion that he is neither an authority on the subject nor is he always fair and balanced when he offers his opinion.



Fox,
You are coming up with some unusual requirements for one to post their opinion today. Who dictated that an opinion had to be fair and balanced?

By the way, when someone uses that term (fair & blanaced), I am usually inclined to turn around and run because I associate it with the propaganda producing Faux Spews network. which has spewed more lies than george bu$h.


Can you show me anywhere that I have ever said that an opinion has to be fair and balanced? And can you show me the rule that says I cannot comment when it is not?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:56 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.


I think differently about WW1 and WW" (I thaught until your post, military aggression started these wars, especially WWII), but of what military aggression exactly do think of as in above?


Military aggression is a military attacking, threatening, or forcing demands on something or somebody. It is shooting first, not just shooting back when shot at. It can be something that bad guys do. And it can be something that good guys do. I don't believe a purely defensive posture has never won a war or brought one to a conclusion.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:58 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.


I think differently about WW1 and WW" (I thaught until your post, military aggression started these wars, especially WWII), but of what military aggression exactly do think of as in above?


MM usually does have it bass ackwards.

Anon
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 12:59 pm
Well I'll consider the opinions of the peaceniks here if somebody will show me any circumstance where a war has been won or brought to a conclusion by the winning side taking a purely defensive position.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:00 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:

it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.


I think differently about WW1 and WW" (I thaught until your post, military aggression started these wars, especially WWII), but of what military aggression exactly do think of as in above?


Military aggression is a military attacking, threatening, or forcing demands on something or somebody. It is shooting first, not just shooting back when shot at. It can be something that bad guys do. And it can be something that good guys do.


While it was justified,it became aggression when we actually invaded Europe instead of just defending our country.
Once we invaded,we became the aggressor.
During the Berlin airlift,while it was a peaceful operation,the allied forces military was ready to use force to protect the people of Berlin.
Sometimes the mere threat of force can be considered aggression.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:07 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Because you posted an opinion piece by Robert Fisk as if he was an authority on this subject. I was simply expressing my opinion that he is neither an authority on the subject nor is he always fair and balanced when he offers his opinion.



Fox,
You are coming up with some unusual requirements for one to post their opinion today. Who dictated that an opinion had to be fair and balanced?

By the way, when someone uses that term (fair & blanaced), I am usually inclined to turn around and run because I associate it with the propaganda producing Faux Spews network. which has spewed more lies than george bu$h.


Can you show me anywhere that I have ever said that an opinion has to be fair and balanced? And can you show me the rule that says I cannot comment when it is not?



Sure I can Fox,
It's at the top of this post..... YOUR OWN POST! (see bold)

You gave the impression that it had to be fair & balanced, in your opinion, otherwise it/he (Fisk) was not valid as an authority on the subject.

You certainly give the impression that if YOU don't consider him an authority, then he is not one.

I think it's safe to say that no one gives a hoot if you post your opinion and I never said otherwise. After all it is a discussion board where opinions abound. You seem to have a special knack today for stretching, twisting and trying to put words in other people's mouth

Might I suggest that you slow down and read the actual words rather than trying to make them something they are not?
.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:08 pm
mysteryman wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Military aggression is evil. Defense, is not. I imagine AI has seen the effects of war often enough to know.


Lets see what "evil" military aggression has caused.

It was military aggression that freed the 13 colonies from England,
It was military aggression that ended the civil war,
It was military aggression that opened the west,
It was military aggression that ended WW2,
it was military aggression that freed the hostages in Grenada,
it was military aggression that ended WW1,
it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.

There are countless examples where military agression,wether overt or covert,has been beneficial to the world.



Military aggression started all those wars too. What opened up the West was the slaughter of 12 million Native Americans. Only someone completely devoid of any sense of history, morality and human compassion would to point to this abombinable act of genocide with pride.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:12 pm
Magginkat wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Right, Freeduck. I really wonder that Foxfyre now is a supporter of military aggression.

You live and learn.


Apparently we don't live and learn Walter. We just keep on killing each other. Just think what kind of world we could have if all the money spent on stupid wars (and they are stupid) had been used instead to help people.

...


"Can't we all... just... get along?"
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:13 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
[<snip>


I see you are showing your true self in your avatar today, Roxanne. Not still denying you're Chrissee/Harper/Nikki, are you?

Or are you?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:16 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Well I'll consider the opinions of the peaceniks here if somebody will show me any circumstance where a war has been won or brought to a conclusion by the winning side taking a purely defensive position.


Lawful Military aggression - according e.g. to Joshua E. Kastenberg in
Air Force Law Review, Spring, 2004 - has been limited to situations of specific self-defense.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:18 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Military aggression is evil. Defense, is not. I imagine AI has seen the effects of war often enough to know.


Lets see what "evil" military aggression has caused.

It was military aggression that freed the 13 colonies from England,
It was military aggression that ended the civil war,
It was military aggression that opened the west,
It was military aggression that ended WW2,
it was military aggression that freed the hostages in Grenada,
it was military aggression that ended WW1,
it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.

There are countless examples where military agression,wether overt or covert,has been beneficial to the world.



Military aggression started all those wars too. What opened up the West was the slaughter of 12 million Native Americans. Only someone completely devoid of any sense of history, morality and human compassion would to point to this abombinable act of genocide with pride.


Like I said, MM usually gets it bass ackwards!

Anon
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:27 pm
Magginkat wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Magginkat wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Because you posted an opinion piece by Robert Fisk as if he was an authority on this subject. I was simply expressing my opinion that he is neither an authority on the subject nor is he always fair and balanced when he offers his opinion.



Fox,
You are coming up with some unusual requirements for one to post their opinion today. Who dictated that an opinion had to be fair and balanced?

By the way, when someone uses that term (fair & blanaced), I am usually inclined to turn around and run because I associate it with the propaganda producing Faux Spews network. which has spewed more lies than george bu$h.


Can you show me anywhere that I have ever said that an opinion has to be fair and balanced? And can you show me the rule that says I cannot comment when it is not?



Sure I can Fox,
It's at the top of this post..... YOUR OWN POST! (see bold)

You gave the impression that it had to be fair & balanced, in your opinion, otherwise it/he (Fisk) was not valid as an authority on the subject.

You certainly give the impression that if YOU don't consider him an authority, then he is not one.

I think it's safe to say that no one gives a hoot if you post your opinion and I never said otherwise. After all it is a discussion board where opinions abound. You seem to have a special knack today for stretching, twisting and trying to put words in other people's mouth

Might I suggest that you slow down and read the actual words rather than trying to make them something they are not?[/b]
[/b].


Well this is certainly an interesting analysis of what I think and do, and an even more interesting critique of what I intended. I suggest you take your own advice in the line of yours. I won't be responsible for the way you see things in your world. And I will continue to exercise my right to see things the way I see them in my world.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:40 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Well I'll consider the opinions of the peaceniks here if somebody will show me any circumstance where a war has been won or brought to a conclusion by the winning side taking a purely defensive position.


No who's spinning and deflecting?
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:49 pm
Foxfyre wrote:


Well this is certainly an interesting analysis of what I think and do, and an even more interesting critique of what I intended. I suggest you take your own advice in the line of yours. I won't be responsible for the way you see things in your world. And I will continue to exercise my right to see things the way I see them in my world.



Quoting your own words back to you is not an analysis.

As for the last part of your comment...Never asked for anything more.
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jan, 2006 01:52 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
FreeDuck wrote:
Military aggression is evil. Defense, is not. I imagine AI has seen the effects of war often enough to know.


Lets see what "evil" military aggression has caused.

It was military aggression that freed the 13 colonies from England,
It was military aggression that ended the civil war,
It was military aggression that opened the west,
It was military aggression that ended WW2,
it was military aggression that freed the hostages in Grenada,
it was military aggression that ended WW1,
it was military aggression that supported the people of Berlin during the Berlin airlift.

There are countless examples where military agression,wether overt or covert,has been beneficial to the world.



Military aggression started all those wars too. What opened up the West was the slaughter of 12 million Native Americans. Only someone completely devoid of any sense of history, morality and human compassion would to point to this abombinable act of genocide with pride.



I agree with your comments Roxanne, especially the part "completely devoid of morality and human compassion". Frankly, I think that would cover bu$h and his gang & his 'unquestioning' supporters completely.
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