Courtesy of the Drudge Report that dug into its archives today:
Quote:FLASHBACK: DEM LEADER HARRY REID ALL SMILES AT PATRIOT ACT SIGNING
THE DRUDGE REPORT has uncovered a photograph of President Bush signing the Patriot Act in the East Room of the White House on October 26, 2001.
And standing over the President's shoulder with a smile on his face is Democratic Senate Minority Harry Reid (D-NV)!
Reid is currently leading efforts in the Senate to block the renewal of the Patriot Act.
After Reid successfully prevented the Patriot Act's renewal late last week the Senator attended a Democrat political rally and proudly declared, "We killed the Patriot Act."
One Republican strategist familiar with the photo said, "Democrats think they can regain the majority? Not a chance if they continue to put politics above what's best for the country. Harry Reid is making a colossal miscalculation, but it's not the first time and thankfully for us, probably not the last."
Developing...
http://www.drudgereport.com/pa.htm
I think nimh is a pretty damned good statistician (and he makes pretty charts and graphs, too) - and for the sake of the record, I'll point out the "dispute" between nimh and timber re statistics has pretty much been a fun game of back-and-forth "Gotchya"; no winner, no loser, just lotsa play.
And also for the record, I'll offer that I'm confident what the Democrats perceive here to be a smoking gun will in fact turn out to be just that, and in keeping with established tradition, will be found firmly in the Democrats' own fist, pointing directly at the latest hole in their own foot.
I wonder if Bob Graham knew what Bush was signing?
I wonder if Bush knew what he was signing.
I wonder if Bush can write cursive.
Ticomaya- You are undoubtedly referring to Executive Order 12944 from February 9th 1995 which expressly authorized the Attorney General to "approve physical searches, WITHOUT A COURT ORDER, for periods up to a year..."
A good post covering all angles, Ticomaya.
"Executive Order 12333, signed by Ronald Reagan in 1981, provides for such warrantless searches directed against "a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power."
Doesn't say anything about spying on American citizens without court apporval.
Our government is spying on Americans - unapologetically, unnecessarily and with no regard for the Constitution.
The nation was shocked when President Bush acknowledged he has been secretly authorizing the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on phone calls and e-mails from Americans and other U.S. residents. When done without a court order, this kind of eavesdropping is both unconstitutional and illegal under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Today, the ACLU released new FBI documents, uncovered through Freedom of Information Act requests on behalf of over 150 domestic political and religious groups in 20 states. These documents confirm that the FBI is using its counterterrorism resources to monitor and infiltrate peaceful activist groups such as People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, Greenpeace and United for Peace and Justice. It is now clear that the FBI has expanded its definition of "domestic terrorism" to include citizens and groups that participate in lawful protests or civil disobedience.
These people are not part of al Qaida or the Taliban.
Oh yes, it does. Executive order 12944 says specifically--
"The Attorney General, is authorized to approve physical searches,
W I T H O U T A C O U R T O R D E R to acquire foreign intelligence information"
Gatos you seem to be slipping, in the past you have, at least attempted, to offer rational argument.
According to Kay Bailey Hutchinson on TV this morning, the administration is targeting only international calls that are placed or received by those believed to be involved in terrorist activities. Any adminsitration that did not do this would be derelict in its Constiuttional repsonsibilities and every administration has done it since there have been the means to do so.
cicerone imposter wrote:Doesn't say anything about spying on American citizens without court apporval.
What if that American citizen is an agent of a foreign power?
Kay Bailey Hutchinson is a miscreant with the ethics of a republican which is to say none at all. And here we go again with others have done it so now it's ok crap. It's either right or it's wrong no matter who has done it before. It's really difficult for me to hear this from the political party that has such a solid history of constitutinal law over party politics. Sad, really, really sad.
Dyslexia- What are you talking about?
If Documentation is not enough for you and you don't understand what it says, get someone to read it for you.
It is Executive Order 12944.
Excerpt--
THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS AUTHORIZED TO APPROVE PHYSICAL SEARCHES WITHOUT A COURT ORDER TO ACQUIRE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE INFORMATION.
Read it and ponder and then read Timberlandko's piece and then re-read Ticomaya's post.
Then, if you wish, make A SPECIFIC demurrer focusing on the Substance in the posts.
dyslexia wrote:Kay Bailey Hutchinson is a miscreant with the ethics of a republican which is to say none at all. And here we go again with others have done it so now it's ok crap. It's either right or it's wrong no matter who has done it before. It's really difficult for me to hear this from the political party that has such a solid history of constitutinal law over party politics. Sad, really, really sad.
If its wrong,why wasnt Carter or Clinton or Reagan or Bush 1 prosecuted for doing the exact same thing?
There was no outrage then,so there should be no outrage now.
Again, Dyslexia. let us assume that you are correct and that any wiretapping DESPITE the evidence given by Ticomaya and Timberlandko IS I N D E E D U N C O N S T I T U T I O N A L.
You do know, of course, how that must be adjudicated. By the Supreme Court of the USA. The ACLU, the usual suspect, may indeed take it to the USSC after it has been shot down by lower courts.
Then, Dyslexia, and only then, will there be a definitive judgment on the matter.
But, as I said previously, until then, posts like the ones made by Ticomaya and Timberlandko, reports by people like Drudge, stories on the cable channels and news articles will be fodder for the voters.
The mind of the voters on this matter will be reflected in the feedback from the polls.
We shall see.
