Bush supporters' aftermath thread

In a column titled "The Rant", no less. Doesn't appear like someone who needs to protect a reputation of reporting accurately.

0 Replies

As for the accuracy of any media article, it's not for me to provide evidence for it to be true. It's up to those that challenge it to provide evidence it's not true. I'm not a investigative reporter or anything that goes looking for proof that media reports can be wrong.

0 Replies

cicerone imposter wrote:

As for the accuracy of any media article, it's not for me to provide evidence for it to be true. It's up to those that challenge it to provide evidence it's not true. I'm not a investigative reporter or anything that goes looking for proof that media reports can be wrong.

Then why do you demand accuracy from every conservative that posts any article?

0 Replies

Every? What a sweeping statement! LOL

0 Replies

Recalling that dreadful lying moveon advert with the FAKED PHOTO of the US military in short pants who weren't really US soldiers at all...

The RNC 'white flag' ad done did the same thing, the dreadful lying fakitude photo thing...

da fake

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123054/2114261/2131358/051212_POL_VideoStilla.jpg

da original

http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123054/2114261/2131358/051212_pol_soldierTV_tn.jpg

full story... http://www.slate.com/id/2132087/

0 Replies

Honor the war dead for their brave sacrifice.

To take photos of those coffins is to dishonor and trivialize their memory.

But shipping them by freight...heck, no problem there.

Quote:

Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.

But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.

http://www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.html

0 Replies

blatham wrote:

Honor the war dead for their brave sacrifice.

To take photos of those coffins is to dishonor and trivialize their memory.

But shipping them by freight...heck, no problem there.

Quote:

Dead heroes are supposed to come home with their coffins draped with the American flag -- greeted by a color guard.

But in reality, many are arriving as freight on commercial airliners -- stuffed in the belly of a plane with suitcases and other cargo.

http://www.10news.com/news/5504608/detail.html

Are you truly so ignorant?
When the coffins are shipped home,they recieve full military honors before being loaded on to a plane for the flight home.
While being transported,they are placed into the cargo holds on the aircraft.
Would you rather they were put into the passenger compartment.

Upon arrival back in the states,they are once again given full military honors,including being draped in the American flag.

Having served as an escort for a casket,I will say that in all probability this was an isolated incident.

0 Replies

mm seems to be pretty sure about himself from his limited observation and experience.

How about the treatment of veterans after they get home? The Bush administration has cut budgets and benefits for our vets, and more of our vets are living in the streets of America with both physical and mental injuries. Seems mm doesn't have any problem with that.

0 Replies

cicerone imposter wrote:

mm seems to be pretty sure about himself from his limited observation and experience.

How about the treatment of veterans after they get home? The Bush administration has cut budgets and benefits for our vets, and more of our vets are living in the streets of America with both physical and mental injuries. Seems mm doesn't have any problem with that.

I dont know.
I have been treated very well by the VA.
My benefits havent been cut,I can go to the VA whenever I need to,counseling is available whenever I feel the need to talk to someone.
I cannot speak for all vets,but only from my personal experiences.

BTW,what experience do you have in the matter?

0 Replies

mm, That's exactly what I'm talking about; your personal, limited, experience is a limited view of reality.

I do not need personal experience to read what Bush has done to reducing/cutting benefits for our vets. It's a shame your personal experience has blinded you to the realities of many others that have served our country.

0 Replies

cicerone imposter wrote:

mm, That's exactly what I'm talking about; your personal, limited, experience is a limited view of reality.

I do not need personal experience to read what Bush has done to reducing/cutting benefits for our vets. It's a shame your personal experience has blinded you to the realities of many others that have served our country.

So,you have NO personal experience.
That says it all,right there.

0 Replies

Veterans Working Together for Peace & Justice Through Non-violence. Wage Peace!

Every body claims to support the troops. Some do so by backing war. Others by not wanting to send young people to fight an illegal and immoral war. To the pro-war side, I ask, did you know that the Republican majority on the House Budget Committee in March rammed through a resolution that would cut $844 million from veterans' medical care for next year? At the same time, they managed to come up with $900 million to give to Dick Cheney's old company Halliburton and a few other big Republican sugar daddies who will quite conveniently be rebuilding Iraq after the war.

Over the next 10 years, the Republican changes would cut $24.7 billion from veterans' medical care, disability compensation and other benefits. Just when they send our young men and women into military action in Iraq, the Republicans back home chop their current and future benefits. This includes, by the way, payments to their families, should they be killed in action. This is just the first step. Veterans can expect more cuts. The rich can expect more tax breaks. And the rich seldom have their children serve in the military. And guess what? Of the 434 members of Congress in the House, how many do you think has a son or daughter in the military? Just one. Thank you, Congress, for supporting our troops.

Wake up, people.

And this means you, mm.

JOZEF HAND-BONIAKOWSKI

0 Replies

Quote:

So,you have NO personal experience.
That says it all,right there.

Well, I do; or at least my uncle does, and I've closely followed the family saga.

Getting the VA to pay for some of his treatment has been, shall we say, problematic.

Cycloptichorn

0 Replies

Talk about no experience in the military, that would be Bush and his comrads. I and all my brothers have served in the US military. My older brother served in Korea. My younger brother served in the army as a physician. Our son served during the first Gulf War (twice) in Saudi Arabia in the US Air Force. He served for over 12 years, and has a rank of Major.

0 Replies

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:
So,you have NO personal experience.
That says it all,right there.

Well, I do; or at least my uncle does, and I've closely followed the family saga.

Getting the VA to pay for some of his treatment has been, shall we say, problematic.

Cycloptichorn

Is the treatment service related?
Is it from an injury he sustained in the military?

0 Replies

Yes and yes; the conflict stems from the fact that his injuries in the line of duty (during gulf war one he was riding in an APC (or whatever the equivalent was) that turned on it's side and broke his leg in a couple of places) led to further complications down the road, which the VA claims aren't its problem.

They also claim that his PTSD doesn't exist, but I've been in the house when he wakes up screaming. Not very cool.

Cycloptichorn

0 Replies

Yes, allow me to thank the veterans for their bravery as well as their sacrifices.
And let me also acknowledge the fact that this administration has continued to cut their benefits, and that on Tuesday House Veterans Affairs Committee Chairman Steve Buyer (R-IN) announced that "veterans service organizations will no longer have the opportunity to present testimony before a joint hearing of the House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees".
That's right, three days before Veterans Day, they decided to announce that the only way that veterans have been allowed to discuss issues that are important to them with members of Congress is going to be no longer permitted. For the first time in 55 years, veterans both able and disabled, have been silenced by Congress.
That is how Republican's "Support our Troops".

Posted by Adrienne at November 11, 2005 07:59 PM
I'm a bit confused because I looked for that and found this:

http://veterans.house.gov/news/109/11-8-05.html

Calling on veterans' groups to play a more influential role in developing the annual Department of Veterans Affairs budget, Buyer presented his plan to engage them early in the annual budget process.
"Now, veterans organizations are more relevant and material to the budget fight," he told those in attendance.

In past years, VSOs have come to Capitol Hill to offer their views in joint hearings of both the House and Senate Veterans Committees. The impact of these hearings has been limited because they have occurred weeks after Congress developed its "views and estimates" response to the President's budget request, which it does by March each year.

Under the new schedule, the VSOs will be asked to present their views on the budget and their legislative priorities in early February at the same time the President sends his budget to Capitol Hill. In addition, the VSOs will also be asked to testify in February at a series of full committee and subcommittee hearings on a variety of legislative proposals directly affecting veterans.

Complementing Chairman Buyer's decision, retired Air Force Command Master Sgt. Mark Olanoff, Executive Director of The Retired Enlisted Association's Washington, DC, office, referring to the old process, said "I came in with TREA's President after the views and estimates were already done. We should be in at the beginning. This is good."

I do believe more should be done for our veterans though, and I don't agree with most of the budget cuts that have happened that have directly affected veterans rather than administrative costs.

Posted by Lisa Renee at November 11, 2005 08:50 PM

0 Replies

I just wonder if mm understand anything about myopia?

0 Replies

cicerone imposter wrote:

mm, That's exactly what I'm talking about; your personal, limited, experience is a limited view of reality.

I do not need personal experience to read what Bush has done to reducing/cutting benefits for our vets. It's a shame your personal experience has blinded you to the realities of many others that have served our country.

MM tells you his personal experience is quite different from that you have been reading about, yet you don't even bat an eye as you tell him his experience is abnormal. Perhaps you need to reconsider whether the stories you are reading elsewhere are completely accurate. That might help with any myopia you are experiencing.

0 Replies

cicerone imposter wrote:

I just wonder if mm understand anything about myopia?

Kerry tried and failed to lie about this same subject.

Quote:

Funding for Veterans up 27%, But Democrats Call It A Cut

Money for Veterans goes up faster under Bush than under Clinton, yet Kerry accuses Bush of an unpatriotic breach of faith.

0 Replies

Bush supporters' aftermath thread

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know