Bush supporters' aftermath thread

Hi. Just thought I would pop in to post that map of the country everyone's talking about.

The last three Red States left in the country as of Nov 2005 are clearly labelled in this one. Incidentally, out of 538 Electoral Votes, these three Red States have 12.

kelticwizard wrote:

Hi. Just thought I would pop in to post that map of the country everyone's talking about.

The last three Red States left in the country as of Nov 2005 are clearly labelled in this one. Incidentally, out of 538 Electoral Votes, these three Red States have 12.

The poll didn't inquire whether those folks would vote for Kerry over Bush, did it? Not that I place that much stock in any poll other than an election, but it doesn't strike me that because someone may be disenchanted with the current choice, that means they would necessarily vote for any Liberal candidate.

I still live in a red state, I assure you,

but it doesn't strike me that because someone may be disenchanted with the current choice, that means they would necessarily vote for any Liberal candidate.

I still live in a red state, I assure you,

Clearly, Bush the Coward is planning to cut and run from Iraq. I mean, it is one thing if a lowly congressman or senator says we ought to plan to get out. But what message does it send to the enemy if the President starts talking defeatist shitt like that?

Perhaps Keltic Wizard remembers the debacle, caused by the glandularly encumbered Bill Clinton in 1984 in which he Democrats lost the House and Senate never to regain them again.

I am very much afraid that Keltic Wizard is not tuned to the many fine points of elections and electing in the year 2006.M

Hi. Just thought I would pop in to post that map of the country everyone's talking about.

The last three Red States left in the country as of Nov 2005 are clearly labelled in this one. Incidentally, out of 538 Electoral Votes, these three Red States have 12.

Bruce Willis Comes Out Fighting for Iraq's Forgotten GI Heroes

ANGERED by negative portrayals of the conflict in Iraq, Bruce Willis, the Hollywood star, is to make a pro-war film in which American soldiers will be depicted as brave fighters for freedom and democracy. It will be based on the exploits of the heavily decorated members of Deuce Four, the 1st Battalion, 24th Infantry, which has spent the past year battling insurgents in the northern Iraqi town of Mosul.

Willis attended Deuce Four's homecoming ball this month in Seattle, Washington, where the soldiers are on leave, along with Stephen Eads, the producer of Armageddon and The Sixth Sense. The 50-year-old actor said that he was in talks about a film of "these guys who do what they are asked to for very little money to defend and fight for what they consider to be freedom".

Unlike many Hollywood stars Willis supports the war and recently offered a $1m (about £583,000) bounty for the capture of any of Al-Qaeda's most wanted leaders such as Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri or Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, its commander in Iraq. Willis visited the war zone with his rock and blues band, the Accelerators, in 2003.

"I am baffled to understand why the things I saw happening in Iraq are not being reported," he told MSNBC, the American news channel.

He is expected to base the film on the writings of the independent blogger Michael Yon, a former special forces green beret who was embedded with Deuce Four and sent regular dispatches about their heroics.

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SYMPATHETIC VIBRATIONS

By Chris Cillizza and Peter Slevin

Sunday, November 27, 2005; Page A04

Democrats fumed last week at Vice President Cheney's suggestion that criticism of the administration's war policies was itself becoming a hindrance to the war effort. But a new poll indicates most Americans are sympathetic to Cheney's point.

Seventy percent of people surveyed said that criticism of the war by Democratic senators hurts troop morale -- with 44 percent saying morale is hurt "a lot," according to a poll taken by RT Strategies. Even self-identified Democrats agree: 55 percent believe criticism hurts morale, while 21 percent say it helps morale.

Democrats fumed last week at Vice President Cheney's suggestion that criticism of the administration's war policies was itself becoming a hindrance to the war effort. But a new poll indicates most Americans are sympathetic to Cheney's point.

The results surely will rankle many Democrats, who argue that it is patriotic and supportive of the troops to call attention to what they believe are deep flaws in President Bush's Iraq strategy. But the survey itself cannot be dismissed as a partisan attack. The RTs in RT Strategies are Thomas Riehle, a Democrat, and Lance Tarrance, a veteran GOP pollster.

Their poll also indicates many Americans are skeptical of Democratic complaints about the war. Just three of 10 adults accept that Democrats are leveling criticism because they believe this will help U.S. efforts in Iraq. A majority believes the motive is really to "gain a partisan political advantage."

This poll is one of the few pieces of supportive news the administration has had lately on Iraq. Most surveys have shown significant majorities believe it was a mistake to go to war, as well as rising sentiment that Bush misled Americans in making the case for it.

Even so, there is still support for Bush's policy going forward. A plurality, 49 percent, believe that troops should come home only when the Iraqi government can provide for its own security, while 16 percent support immediate withdrawal, regardless of the circumstances.

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