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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
JPB
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 10:48 am
Re: JB
Ticomaya wrote:
You see why your view is so refreshing, J_B?


Smile I started to answer CI, but had to step back from that one.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 04:11 pm
According to our local afternoon radio folks here, Kerry had to admit to a reporter that he didn't even hear Bush's speech re Katrina.

Kerry blasts Bush on federal response to Hurricane Katrina
By Jonathan Allen

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) unleashed a furious attack on the Bush administration at a Brown University speech yesterday, upbraiding the president's response to the hurricane that recently devastated the Gulf Coastand tying it to what he sees as other flaws at the White House.

"This is the Katrina administration," read prepared remarks posted on 2004 Democratic presidential nominee's website, www.johnkerry.com. "Katrina is a symbol of all this administration does and doesn't do," read Kerry's script, portions of which were included in an e-mail to supporters that ended with a fundraising appeal.SOURCE: THE HILL
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 04:32 pm
Re: JB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
J_B wrote:
I'm not sure how that makes it right for Clinton to lie under oath, BBB.


Did I say it was OK for Clinton to lie under oath? NO!

I think 100% of men accused of cheating on their wives would lie. Impeaching Clinton for lying about sex was a political vendetta and it's pursuit cost the tax payers millions of dollars what we could use right now. As far as I know, no one has died from a blow job.

Lying about issues that result in death and mayhem is unforgivable.

Do you suppose we could put a stop to lying about reasons for going to war if doing so would automatically result in presidential impeachment being put before the Congress.

BBB



I have to jump in here.
You are saying that is understandable and even correct that he lied about his affair and him being impeached was purely a political move.
In the sense that impeaching him was stupid,then I agree.

BUT,a man of honor,a man that respects his wife,a man with character,would not have had the affair to begin with.
If he cant be trusted to keep and honor the most important promise a man can make,then IMHO,he cannot and should not be trusted with the office if President.
I dont care who he is or what party he belongs to.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 04:55 pm
Re: JB
mysteryman wrote:
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
J_B wrote:
I'm not sure how that makes it right for Clinton to lie under oath, BBB.


Did I say it was OK for Clinton to lie under oath? NO!

I think 100% of men accused of cheating on their wives would lie. Impeaching Clinton for lying about sex was a political vendetta and it's pursuit cost the tax payers millions of dollars what we could use right now. As far as I know, no one has died from a blow job.

Lying about issues that result in death and mayhem is unforgivable.

Do you suppose we could put a stop to lying about reasons for going to war if doing so would automatically result in presidential impeachment being put before the Congress.

BBB



I have to jump in here.
You are saying that is understandable and even correct that he lied about his affair and him being impeached was purely a political move.
In the sense that impeaching him was stupid,then I agree.

BUT,a man of honor,a man that respects his wife,a man with character,would not have had the affair to begin with.
If he cant be trusted to keep and honor the most important promise a man can make,then IMHO,he cannot and should not be trusted with the office if President.
I dont care who he is or what party he belongs to.


Following your rule, could we find enough men to fill all government offices?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 05:21 pm
BBB, You and I understand that ideals and reality are separate and not equal. LOL
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 05:46 pm
I think its reasonable to think there are good presidential candidates out there who don't cheat on their wives or husbands, and certainly think it isn't appropriate to be 'doing it' in the Oval Office.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 06:39 pm
BBB you said,
Quote:
Following your rule, could we find enough men to fill all government offices?


I am sure we could.
But,most men dont want to go thru the anal exam that candidates get put thru.

And if we couldnt,then we dont need those offices anyway.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 20 Sep, 2005 08:20 pm
Rita has passed through and the hue and cry of south Floridians and Keysians is not "Oh that bastard, Bush, he murdered us!"

As a self-professed neo-con, I voted for Clinton and every Democratic candidate that precededed him., and so am more than familiar with the urge to support a fantasy rather than a reality.

Hanging on to Clinton as personification of this fantasy is simply stupid.

Intelligent folks who get drunk become stupid. Getting drunk on alcohol or slogans doesn't bear much of a distinction.
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 07:00 am
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Rita has passed through and the hue and cry of south Floridians and Keysians is not "Oh that bastard, Bush, he murdered us!"

As a self-professed neo-con, I voted for Clinton and every Democratic candidate that precededed him., and so am more than familiar with the urge to support a fantasy rather than a reality.

Hanging on to Clinton as personification of this fantasy is simply stupid.

Intelligent folks who get drunk become stupid. Getting drunk on alcohol or slogans doesn't bear much of a distinction.


Keysians? Are you attemptingh a strawman argumnet, Finn?
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Chrissee
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 07:02 am
Oh, at first I though Finn was bringing economic into his screed. They are Conchs.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 10:02 am
That'd be "keynsian." Wink
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 11:54 am
I was watching CNN this morning showing the people of Galveston, Texas City et al, being loaded onto school busses complete with luggage, pets in carriers, and one plant to be transported out of the area. It was local authorities, not FEMA, doing the evacuation.

That's the way it is supposed to work.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:00 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I was watching CNN this morning showing the people of Galveston, Texas City et al, being loaded onto school busses complete with luggage, pets in carriers, and one plant to be transported out of the area. It was local authorities, not FEMA, doing the evacuation.

That's the way it is supposed to work.


It sounded well organized. And they had plenty of bus drivers.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:01 pm
Well, when you're not talking about the most corrupt city in the most corrupt state in a somewhat corrupt nation, then it DOES work that way....

I hate to hope that the hurricane hits mexico, but that would be somewhat of a relief at this point; my parents in north Houston are freaking out.

Cycloptichorn
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:07 pm
Obviously some lessons have been learned from Katrina.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:23 pm
When I read that in Las Vegas "now, a 30-member rescue team is being summoned to Dallas in case they're needed to help if Hurricane Rita slams into the Texas coast" (source), a team from Indian is on its way to Texas (source)as well like many others ... I only can nodd to that "obviously lessons have been learnt" and that it "sounded well organized".
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:48 pm
Of course these same teams were headed to the Gulf Coast ahead of Katrina too. We had medical units and search and rescue teams here in New Mexico positioned near New Orleans waiting to go in just as soon as Katrina passed. Texas's plan is not that different from Louisiana's. It's just that Texas is executing theirs.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:51 pm
Didn't Texas just pass a law last year allowing for mandatory evacuations? Did they have them before that? Do you think they would have started the evacuation this early if Katrina had not just happened? Is New Mexico as close to New Orleans as Dallas is to Houston?

Come on Fox, you really think that people don't have Katrina in the backs of their minds as they take Rita much more seriously?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 12:59 pm
FreeDuck wrote:

Come on Fox, you really think that people don't have Katrina in the backs of their minds as they take Rita much more seriously?


From a local Texas newspaper

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Determined not to repeat the mistakes of Katrina, Texas prepared for Hurricane Rita on Tuesday by ordering the state's first mandatory evacuation, declaring the state a disaster area and moving supplies to inland cities in anticipation of evacuees.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 01:18 pm
Of course Katrina is very much in everybody's minds as preparations for Rita are in progress. And no doubt the reality of Katrina is causing the people themselves to take Rita's approach much more seriously. It is all too easy to become complacent when an area comes under warnings but dodge the bullet again and again, year after year. Some who rode out lesser hurricanes no doubt shared an illusion they could ride out any hurricane.

Certainly the Louisiana authorities would have implemented their disaster plan had they been given the benefit of hindsight. I'm sure they are more than conscious of the results of not having done so.

None of that takes away from applause for the efficiently run plans for the Florida keys and now the Texas coast now.

And of course looking at this realistically isn't particularly useful to use for bashing an unpopular president either.
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