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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 05:59 pm
georgeob1 wrote:
blatham wrote:
It's a simple point.

For anyone here to have much concern as to a city mayor's competence and ethics, he or she would be a citizen of that city.

Likewise, re a governor...is he your governor?

But all Americans are affected by the competence and ethics of a President. And if he is the President of the world's most powerful and intrusive government, then the whole world has some valid concerns.

Simple stuff.


Very simple indeed. Also very self-serving coming from a Canadian living in Manhattan who doesn't like the president. .


<the crowd roars>

Sweet.

Blame ******* Canada.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 06:43 pm
"Not at all. "No" means zero. There are normally measurable quantities of petroleum and solvents in the ordinary stormwater runoff after even an ordinary rainstorm in any city. What I am saying is that recent reports from competent agencies and laboratories that have evaluated the water samples have demonstrated conclusively that earlier media reports and your characterization of it as "toxic sludge" were and are false."

Not so. According to ABC news, just a few minutes ago, they called it sludge, because the oil spill was 2/3rds of the Valdez spill in Alaska (7/11). They also said that the sewage was extremely bad.

Better use better sources for your info, george.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:01 pm
originalreport
New Orleans Sludge Is Full of BacteriaSludge Contains High Content of Fecal Bacteria
Samples of normal soil generally contain less than 200 units of fecal bacteria, but the sludge in New Orleans has 310,000. (ABC News)

Sept. 16, 2005 ?- The foot-deep layer of sludge left behind by receding floodwaters in New Orleans is riddled with fecal bacteria and other contaminants, an investigation by "Good Morning America" has found.

Tests by Nova Biologicals in Conroe, Texas, detected elevated levels of cadmium, lead and mercury and low levels of petroleum in the sludge.



Full Coverage: Katrina


The analysis also found astounding levels of bacteria. A measuring unit of normal soil has about 500 units of bacteria, while the sludge has 13.5 million. Samples of normal soil generally contain less than 200 units of fecal bacteria, but the sludge has 310,000.

"You're in a sewage treatment plant if you're walking through this, uh, sewage," said Dr. Paul Pearce, a microbiologist at Nova Biologicals.

The real danger lies in consuming, not just walking through, the sludge.

"If this sludge somehow got in the food chain it could create the potential for bacterial disease. It could create the potential for heavy metal poisoning," said Dr. Jeffrey Brent, a medical toxicologist.
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squinney
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:10 pm
Shocked

Heavy Metal poisoning???
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:13 pm
Yes, cadmium, lead, and mercury are highly toxic to humans and animals.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:13 pm
BBB
Does anyone know the number of ground wells (instead of public water systems) in the areas poluted by the flood water? I imagine a lot due to the large rural areas. Those wells could be doomed for a very long time.

BBB
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:15 pm
BBB, I'm not sure New Orleans was good for ground water, because it's surrounded by the gulf and lake water with the city itself sitting below sea level. I could be wrong, since it's only a guess on my part.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:18 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
BBB, I'm not sure New Orleans was good for ground water, because it's surrounded by the gulf and lake water with the city itself sitting below sea level. I could be wrong, since it's only a guess on my part.


I was thinking primarily of Mississippi and Alabama's rural areas.

BBB
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:27 pm
Yes I did. Sold the place in the Filmore to take advantage of the housing bubble and moved in to the one on Paru Street in Alameda. Lots of new restaurants and bistros around Park St: fix ups everywhere in the old part of town. The old town is looking great - and even Webster street is becoming trendy. Soon it will be the East Bay version of Mill Valley. Climate as ever is perfect and I am getting reacquainted with my old haunts in SF.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:38 pm
George
georgeob1 wrote:
Yes I did. Sold the place in the Filmore to take advantage of the housing bubble and moved in to the one on Paru Street in Alameda. Lots of new restaurants and bistros around Park St: fix ups everywhere in the old part of town. The old town is looking great - and even Webster street is becoming trendy. Soon it will be the East Bay version of Mill Valley. Climate as ever is perfect and I am getting reacquainted with my old haunts in SF.


A brief digression to avoid interrupting this thread. Be sure to cross the bridge to Bay Farm Island and explore Harbor Bay Isle to see the 14 years of effort I put into it.

You can pm me if you want to discuss this further.

BBB
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:46 pm
Keep the following in the back of your mind as federal funds start to pour into New Orleans:


WSJ: White rich elude Orleans chaos, don't want poor blacks back
John Byrne


The Wall Street Journal front-page headline reads, "Old-Line Families / Escape Worst of Flood / And Plot the Future / Mr. O'Dwyer, at His Mansion, / Enjoys Highball With Ice; / Meeting With the Mayor."

That is, however, just the beginning. According to the (paid-restricted) Journal, New Orleans' wealthy white neighborhoods emerged very much intact, while black neighborhoods are swimming in toxic sludge. The Journal piece, by Christopher Cooper, reads as something torn from the pages of Fitzgerald's iconic portrait of the roaring twenties--The Great Gatsby.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:50 pm
CI, I think I briefly perused that article. Was that the one with the rich, smug-looking bastard, shirtless, whose main concern was to dart out to the pool to grab a pitcher of water for toilet-flushing purposes?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
If Bush is able to fly from Crawford to Washington DC to get involved in a brain-damaged woman's life, he certainly could have gotten involved sooner in NO where hundreds of thousands lives that includes women and children were at stake. Or, is that asking for too much of our pres?

lets assume for the moment that he had arrived in No the day of the flood,or the next.
EXactly what could he have accomplished?
Could he have rescued anyone?
Granted,he might have been able to prevent a La congressman from apprpriating rescue personnel to take him to his house.
As I understand,that clusterf@#k eventually entailed 2 trucks and a helicopter.
Bush might have prevented that.

But,if he had shown up that early,you would have accused him of staging a photo-op and nothing more/
No matter what he did,you would have found fault with him.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:56 pm
The refugees who came to Albuquerque and those who went to Houston and Washington were certainly not the affluent of New Orleans. But if you can set aside political correctness for a moment of clarity and honesty, we're seeing some good things happening out of all that.

Just about the time I think I can find a way to hate the British, I run across a piece like the following. Smile

Space, food, medicine, protection: it's better here in Barbara's hall of plenty
by Gerard Baker

BARBARA BUSH. Don't you just love her? Last week she put her elegant heel right into what her husband used to call deep doo-doo when she told a television interviewer that evacuees from Hurricane Katrina who had been housed in the Houston Astrodome were really very happy with their lot.

"What I'm hearing is that many of them want to stay in Texas," the former First Lady said. "The hospitality has been so overwhelming. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them."


Not since Louis XVI's missus puzzled about the dietary choices of indigent Parisians has there been such an appalling display of aristocratic ignorance. How dare she? How could she? Even the White House winced.

But in the disgust that greeted her remarks in Highgate and the Upper West Side no one stopped to consider the possibility that Mrs Bush was, in fact, dead right.

Anyone who has visited the most deprived parts of America's cities, rather than merely empathised with them from afar, would have no difficulty whatsoever with the proposition that the inhabitants would prefer an air-conditioned sports stadium with all the food they can eat, the country's best medical attention and the benign security of National Guard protection to the hunger, sickness and lawlessness in which many of them live.

Large parts of Detroit, Philadelphia, Chicago or Los Angeles already look, on their best days, as though they have been hit by natural disasters. I'm not at all surprised to hear that the fortunate who made it to Houston are eager to start new lives there, rather than return to the crime-infested housing projects of New Orleans.

But Mrs Bush touched on a larger truth, almost wholly obscured in the rush to judgment. Most of the attention has focused on how the Government failed in responding to the disaster. I have done it myself. Grand conclusions have been drawn about the (flawed) nature of American society. I've done a bit of that too. But little has been said about what the response of ordinary Americans ?- not mayors or governors or presidents ?- tells us about the strengths of that same American society.

Another lucky group of New Orleans evacuees has been housed not far from where I live in Washington at the DC Armoury, the local headquarters of the National Guard. This week, along with the truckloads of food, water and clothes, came something that will, in the longer term, be of even greater assistance, a group of eager employers looking for workers.

Forty-two local businesses participated in a job fair for the new homeless at the Armoury on Tuesday; more wanted to take part but couldn't because there was limited space. Twenty of the 150 or so evacuees were hired on the spot. An official at the District of Columbia government involved in organising the event said that more were expected to be offered jobs in the next few days. The exercise was such a success that employers are demanding another one. If there's anyone left still to hire it will take place in the next couple of weeks.

The story is being replicated across the country. The victims of Katrina are getting new opportunities. Some of it comes from an immense outpouring of compassion by Americans in the form of hundreds of millions of dollars in charitable contributions and unquantifiable help in housing families and schooling children. Some of it comes from the unsentimental compassion of the free market: the unerring capacity of the capitalist system to match those who have something with those who need it, whether it be labour, capital, goods or services.

Both tell us far more about the way this country works, the strengths of its values and people, than the bureaucratic bungling in Baton Rouge and Washington.

Of course you will almost certainly not have read or seen much about this, especially outside the US. The world has indicted America once again on charges of ineptitude and racism and has moved on to more important matters such as Britney Spears's baby. For a variety of reasons this good news about the response of ordinary Americans is of little interest to the media. First, no self-respecting reporter wants to waste his time with insights into the better angels of human nature. No one ever won a Pulitzer or a Bafta recounting banal tales of man's humanity to man.

Secondly, it really doesn't fit too well into the stereotype that entrances most of the world these days. Anything that doesn't show Americans as stupid, selfish, warmongering, religious bigots, half of them living in pampered luxury in garish purpose-built Italianate mansions, the other half downtrodden in the ghetto by Halliburton stock-owning fat-cats, isn't going to make it to the front pages or the Ten O'Clock News.

But the main reason I think these recovery efforts by millions of people attract insufficient attention is that most people have become conditioned to thinking solely in terms of government's responsibility. Of course, the bulk of the recovery effort must be paid from public funds as President Bush announced yesterday but most Europeans and ?- despite decades of a so-called conservative revolution ?- a large number of Americans, can't think beyond the government.

Something bad happens: it's government's fault for not preventing it. It's government's responsibility for cleaning up the mess. And if the mess gets bigger, that's government's fault too.

The irony is that New Orleans is one of those cities where government-dependency had reached such levels that a kind of economic and social anomie had set in. For many of its victims the escape depicted by Barbara Bush is just what they needed.

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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 07:58 pm
That's because Bush in incapable of doing anything right, mysteryman.

The man can't even ride a bicycle. He's pathetic.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 08:02 pm
That Gerald Baker article was just as ridiculous as Barbara Bush's statements.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 08:02 pm
Well, Bush knows how to get our country into a war very quickly. I'm sure if he used his "administration" with more brains, they could have come up with something creative much sooner.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 08:04 pm
I agree with gus, that writer is full of horse beans.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 08:08 pm
Maybe so, but I've witnessed the truth of it with my own eyes here in Albuquerque. The many refugees that arrived at our Convention Center here have been well cared for, provided the basic necessities, and they've all moved out now, most to go to new homes, new schools, new jobs, and a way of life far better than anything they had in New Orleans. Acccording to our local media, and what I have heard two of them say, most don't plan to go back.

Now if you have imperical knowledge to dispute that, let's have it.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2005 08:13 pm
There will always be a few fortunates that emerge from a pile of **** smelling like a rose, but the stench remains on the majority.
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