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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 12 Sep, 2005 11:42 pm
Hi O'Bill! Long time no see.

No hard feelings, Lash. I was only joshing with you, as you know.

Read more Krugman and Conason, Huffington and Ivins, and the world will slowly but surely become a better place.

Smile
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 04:54 am
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2005/db050913.gif
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:10 am
In an otherwise muddled op-ed in the Boston Globe, Robert Kuttner raises a troubling prospect (which might encourage the Bush supporters here):

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[..] there is a darker possibility. The Karl Rove team is gradually getting Republicans back ''on message." The message: There's no point in playing a ''blame game," as Scott McClellan said 15 times at Thursday's press briefing. The New Orleans disaster just proves the unreliability of government in general rather than this feckless president in particular. We should be looking forward to rebuilding -- with the private sector taking the lead.

If we aren't alert, Bush will not only wriggle out of political responsibility for diverting funds from New Orleans's flood defenses, eviscerating FEMA, and bungling the response, just as he evaded responsibility after Richard Clarke's testimony that the administration ignored warnings about Al Qaeda's plans for a 9/11 style-attack. Katrina could even be a political windfall, promoting the campaign to cripple government, permanently displacing some reliable Democratic voters from the swing state of Louisiana [..].

Now its up to the good guys to not let them get away with that counterintuitive line of argument...
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:17 am
machiavelli didn't know the half of it

sorry typing with 1 hand

what happened to honour and duty?
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:20 am
Typing with one hand???

Shocked

I hope that's because you are drinking coffee.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:26 am
Gosh, Embarrassed , you modern people.

Eating sloppy sandwich which was threatening to fall apart.

Very nice, done now, where's that coffee?
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 05:34 am
Here ya go, McTag. Sorry to have embarrassed. Cream or sugar?

Nimh - That has been suggested in several well written pieces over the last couple of weeks. It's part of the reason for putting blame on the state and local government as well, since putting more responsibility on the states is another aim of the neoconservatives.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:06 am
Bush yesterday, playing the blame game
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THE PRESIDENT: No, what I was referring to is this. When that storm came by, a lot of people said we dodged a bullet. When that storm came through at first, people said, whew. There was a sense of relaxation, and that's what I was referring to. And I, myself, thought we had dodged a bullet. You know why? Because I was listening to people, probably over the airways, say, the bullet has been dodged. And that was what I was referring to.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050912.html

The liberal press told him and his good people that it was still vacation time.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:12 am
And golly...Chertoff doing it too
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On Sunday, Sept. 4, Tim Russert of NBC's "Meet the Press" asked Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to explain President Bush's statement that the government couldn't have anticipated breaches in levees in New Orleans.

Mr. Chertoff talked about news coverage. "Well, I think if you look at what actually happened, I remember on Tuesday morning picking up newspapers, and I saw headlines, 'New Orleans Dodged The Bullet,' " he said. "Because if you recall, the storm moved to the east and then continued on and appeared to pass with considerable damage but nothing worse. It was on Tuesday that the levee -- may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday -- that the levee started to break."

LINK
I mean, what the bloody hell is the press doing. How can we run a country if they aren't providing us with information? Remember all that press about how Iraq had nukes.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:18 am
And for rebuilding...well, let's just fuckk up in EXACTLY the same way as we did in Iraq and watch more tax funded billions bundled up into suitcases and secreted off to the tropical Caymans...
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And now, as the Wall Street Journal reports today, the Bush administration is "importing" into the Katrina recovery efforts "many of the contracting practices blamed for spending abuses in Iraq." The Journal says that the first large Katrina-recovery contracts have been awarded without competitive bidding and using "so-called cost-plus provisions that guarantee contractors a certain profit regardless of how much they spend." The problem with such contracts? They encourage waste because they provide no incentive for the contractors to control costs, the Journal says.

If it all sounds familiar, that's because it is. "You can easily compare FEMA's internal resources to what you saw in the early days of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq: a small, underfunded organization taking on a Herculean task under tremendous time pressure," Steven Schooner, a contracting expert at George Washington University, tells the Journal. "That is almost by definition a recipe for disaster."
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:23 am
But, if someone does their job competently, yet causes embarrassment for the administration...THAT'S JUST NOT AMERICAN AND YOU GET RID OF THAT PERSON NOW!
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A lawyer with the Texas secretary of state was fired after she spoke to a reporter about presidential adviser Karl Rove's eligibility to vote in the state.

Elizabeth Reyes, 30, said she was dismissed last week for violating the agency's media policy after she was quoted in a Sept. 3 story by The Washington Post about tax deductions on Rove's homes in Washington and Texas.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/10/AR2005091000768.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:31 am
Too large to post here...the folks in support of Bush and his administration will NOT bother to read this, and certainly won't enjoy it, but the rest of us will find much of encouragement here...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

It is so nice to see the press finally gain some balls again.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:37 am
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Firms with Bush-Cheney ties clinching Katrina deals

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticleSearch.aspx?storyID=121777+10-Sep-2005+RTRS&srch=halliburton
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:40 am
Re: New Orleans Dodged Bullet

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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:40 am
Obviously this didn't happen. But of course, in another sense, it is exactly what did happen...
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/_/f/bush_guitar_superdome.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 06:47 am
Lash wrote:
McTag wrote:
Lash wrote:
They neither deserve, nor will they recieve, courtesy on this point under any circumstances again. I will consider any requests in that vein by them as a personal invitation from now on.

They have obliterated personal courtesies.


I nearly choked, when I read Lash writing about extending personal courtesies.

What's it to be, Lash, No More Ms Nice Person? Very Happy

While that is funny--when asked, I have always --to this point-- taken requests by thread starters seriously. I have left a thread when asked by a thread starter; and when the Democrats asked me and my ilk (haven't used ilk in three days) to give them space after they lost the election, I did so immediately.

So, did the ilk.

Yet, it has been apparent that we are the only ones to take such courtesies seriously.

I was just giving public notice that I shall in the future, behave as they do on this matter. Hate to lose that last semblance of propriety, but when in Crete...

You know, mock the cretins...


Sorry lash. We are resolute. We are fighting you where you live so that we don't have to fight you at home.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:03 am
Laughing
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:03 am
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NYT's Brooks revealed that "from Day One," the Bush White House "decided our public relations is not going to be honest" -- why hasn't he written about this?


On the September 11 edition of NBC's syndicated The Chris Matthews Show, New York Times columnist David Brooks revealed that he has learned from private conversations with Bush officials who "represent" what "Bush believes" that from its earliest days, the Bush administration adopted a policy of shielding itself from political damage by never publicly admitting any mistake -- even if it meant lying to the media and the American public. The fact that Bush doesn't admit mistakes has been reported by the media for years. For instance, in the September 11 edition of The New York Times, David Sanger reported, "Mr. Bush, his aides acknowledge, is loath to fire members of his administration or to take public actions that are tantamount to an admission of a major mistake." Brooks himself has previously noted the Bush administration's unwillingness to admit to mistakes. But what Brooks's September 11 account adds is that Bush is being intentionally dishonest -- in Brooks's words, "totally tactical and totally insincere" -- in resisting such public admissions and in blaming others when failures are too obvious to deny.

Moreover, on the Matthews Show, Brooks disclosed that "from Day One," the Bush White House "decided our public relations is not going to be honest," and that "privately they admit mistakes all the time." Brooks's revelation would appear to be of major significance, particularly in light of recent attempts by Bush administration officials to shift culpability in the Hurricane Katrina disaster away from the White House. But while he claimed on the Matthews show to have debated this strategy with administration officials "since Day One" -- indicating that he has known about it from the beginning -- a review of his columns and television appearances since Katrina struck reveals that Brooks has refrained from telling viewers and readers that the administration's campaign to rehabilitate its public image over the poor handling of the Katrina crisis by blaming others was apparently another manifestation of this dishonest strategy.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509120003
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:09 am
FreeDuck wrote:
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 13 Sep, 2005 07:13 am
blatham, I copied a paragraph from one of your links that to the novice looks and smells like he's a dry drunk. If it walks like a duck...

"Judging from the blistering analyses in Time, Newsweek, and elsewhere these past few days, it turns out that Bush is in fact fidgety, cold and snappish in private. He yells at those who dare give him bad news and is therefore not surprisingly surrounded by an echo chamber of terrified sycophants. He is slow to comprehend concepts that don't emerge from his gut. He is uncomprehending of the speeches that he is given to read. And oh yes, one of his most significant legacies -- the immense post-Sept. 11 reorganization of the federal government which created the Homeland Security Department -- has failed a big test."
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