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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:44 am
Tico
Ticomaya wrote:
McTag wrote:
But Bush is a president*, and Moore only makes comments, and films.

*of sorts


You forgot to put the asterisk after the word "films."


Tico, such an interesting discovery. Instead of being pissed at Google, why don't you wonder what Google knows that you don't know, or have not yet admitted to yourself?

BBB
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:44 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Ah, an explanation perhaps .....


Although you constated before ...

Ticomaya wrote:
Needless to say this result isn't the work of Google computers ... it's the deliberate act of employees at Google, who appear to have a need to push their ideologies on others.

Yahoo is a better choice.


Same happened at A9 - and yahoo - you think?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:45 am
McTag wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
McTag wrote:
But Bush is a president*, and Moore only makes comments, and films.

*of sorts


You forgot to put the asterisk after the word "films."


My point was, a failed* filmmaker is no big deal....

*if that's what is intended to be conveyed, I haven't searched the links


As the BBC article I cited explains, it appears persons with agendas link to these webpages with the word "failure," and that affects Google's (and others') search results.


Walter: No, I've changed my mind. I reserve that right, doncha know.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:45 pm
I've been reading some of the fringe commentary in the media tonight, and there is some speculation as to demographics in Louisiana post Hurrican Katrina. The speculation is that Louisiana is mostly a red state and the only reason it has a Democrat governor, legislature, and senator is the heavily concentrated voting block that is Orleans Parish. If the refugees are widely dispersed by several hundred thousand, they won't threaten strong GOP majorities in Texas or Mississippi and would be unlikely to settle in sufficient numbers to significantly affect Tennessee or Florida.

The state mostly likely to see a significant political shift would be Louisiana.

If this kind of talk continues, I predict it will be no time at all that the anti-Bushites here on A2K, on Capital Hill, and in the Leftish media will be accusing the President or Karl Rove of intentionally sabotaging the levees and withholding support.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 09:57 pm
Oh damn. You had to tip them off.

You're right, Fox. LA may be a GOP state now.

(Aside from that--this is a weird social experiment, eh? Mass exodus...assimilating...do you know how many registered sex offenders slithered out of NO? Almost 2000. And, no ones keeping track of them.)
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 10:22 pm
Oh Geez. With New Mexico's luck (and leniency) they're probably all here. As of today I think there were only a dozen or so refugees left in the Convention Center here. All the rest have found jobs and housing locally or have moved on elsewhere.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 10:25 pm
They'd better drawn, like others, isn't it?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 10:54 pm
Explain Walter.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 11:05 pm
In such a case you wouldn't have e.g to track them.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 11:18 pm
Well drowning them might be a bit extreme. What do they do with sex offenders in Germany?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2005 11:34 pm
Depends on what they did, all regulated in our Criminal Code
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 03:46 am
Foxfyre wrote:
I've been reading some of the fringe commentary in the media tonight, and there is some speculation as to demographics in Louisiana post Hurrican Katrina. The speculation is that Louisiana is mostly a red state and the only reason it has a Democrat governor, legislature, and senator is the heavily concentrated voting block that is Orleans Parish. If the refugees are widely dispersed by several hundred thousand, they won't threaten strong GOP majorities in Texas or Mississippi and would be unlikely to settle in sufficient numbers to significantly affect Tennessee or Florida.

The state mostly likely to see a significant political shift would be Louisiana.

If this kind of talk continues, I predict it will be no time at all that the anti-Bushites here on A2K, on Capital Hill, and in the Leftish media will be accusing the President or Karl Rove of intentionally sabotaging the levees and withholding support.


That's fascinating. But crazy, of course. Isn't it? Confused

In the short to medium term, I wonder what the "blue" communities around think of all those "reds" being billeted on them.
There are some heartwarming stories, and a few horror stories.

Will it really cause a seismic shift in American society? The potential is there, for good and evil I suppose. The economy may pick up due to rebuilding. Louisiana politics may be reformed.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:19 am
The trend for Bush is downwards.

................ Approve Disapapprove Mixed Unsure
......................%.............%............%...........% .

9/6-8/05....... 39............ 59...........1............ 1 .

8/1-3/05....... 42............ 55.......... 2 - .

7/11-13/05...,42.............56...........1 -

6/6-8/05.......43.............55...........1.............1 .

5/2-4/05.......47.............51.......... 2 - .

4/4-6/05.......44.............54........... - .

In another two years, his approval rating should be in the twenties if not lower. LOL
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:32 am
I guess Brown is not doing such a fine job after all.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/09/AR2005090900795.html

Quote:
FEMA Director Replaced as Head Of Relief Effort

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 10, 2005; Page A01

The Bush administration removed Michael D. Brown, the embattled director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, from the Gulf Coast disaster zone yesterday as the White House tried to regain footing amid criticism of its response to Hurricane Katrina.

A week after President Bush praised him for "a heck of a job," Brown was stripped of duties overseeing the relief efforts, ordered back to Washington and replaced by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen. Although Brown remains FEMA director and the administration presented it as a deployment decision, officials said the president's aides wanted a more effective, hands-on manager at the scene.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:40 am
"Although Brown remains FEMA director and the administration presented it as a deployment decision, officials said the president's aides wanted a more effective, hands-on manager at the scene."

This admnistration screwed up about everything they touched. How do we get rid of all of them? Or "deploy" them elsewhere where they can do no harm?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:41 am
Nobody would have wished this on their worst enemy though. The Big Easy with all its flaws was a tarnished American treasure rich in legend, imagery, and tradition. It remains to be seen whether it will ever be so again.

In a way New Orleans itself was a graphic example of the worst results of the 'welfare state' which seems to breed the kind of government that needs reforming. I suppose it would be a small comfort that the citizens may actually benefit from all this in the long run, but I don't think anyone will think that was worth the loss of life and property.

And 'seismic shift' in American society? No. We're talking displacement of at most a few hundred thousand people in a population of almost 300 million.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:45 am
Gee, we're spending five billion dollars every month in Iraq, and we can't help our own in New Orleans because they're a "welfare state." What BS!
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 06:49 am
A "welfare state" is not discernable anywhere here, when seen through European eyes.
NO was a bad example, but are the conditions of the underclass in Chicago, Washington, LA much different?
Somebody said on the radio this morning, the figures for infant mortality in Washington are twice those for Beijing.
Do you think this tragedy has brought any of this into sharper focus?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 07:04 am
September 6, 2005
The Larger Shame
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

The wretchedness coming across our television screens from Louisiana has illuminated the way children sometimes pay with their lives, even in America, for being born to poor families.

It has also underscored the Bush administration's ongoing reluctance or ineptitude in helping the poorest Americans. The scenes in New Orleans reminded me of the suffering I saw after a similar storm killed 130,000 people in Bangladesh in 1991 - except that Bangladesh's government showed more urgency in trying to save its most vulnerable citizens.

But Hurricane Katrina also underscores a much larger problem: the growing number of Americans trapped in a never-ending cyclone of poverty. And while it may be too early to apportion blame definitively for the mishandling of the hurricane, even President Bush's own administration acknowledges that America's poverty is worsening on his watch.

The U.S. Census Bureau reported a few days ago that the poverty rate rose again last year, with 1.1 million more Americans living in poverty in 2004 than a year earlier. After declining sharply under Bill Clinton, the number of poor people has now risen 17 percent under Mr. Bush.

If it's shameful that we have bloated corpses on New Orleans streets, it's even more disgraceful that the infant mortality rate in America's capital is twice as high as in China's capital. That's right - the number of babies who died before their first birthdays amounted to 11.5 per thousand live births in 2002 in Washington, compared with 4.6 in Beijing.

Indeed, according to the United Nations Development Program, an African-American baby in Washington has less chance of surviving its first year than a baby born in urban parts of the state of Kerala in India.

The national infant mortality rate has risen under Mr. Bush for the first time since 1958. The U.S. ranks 43rd in the world in infant mortality, according to the C.I.A.'s World Factbook; if we could reach the level of Singapore, ranked No. 1, we would save 18,900 children's lives each year.

So in some ways the poor children evacuated from New Orleans are the lucky ones because they may now get checkups and vaccinations. But nationally, 29 percent of children had no health insurance at some point in the last 12 months, and many get neither checkups nor vaccinations. The U.S. ranks 84th in the world for measles immunizations and 89th for polio.

One of the most dispiriting elements of the catastrophe in New Orleans was the looting. I covered the 1995 earthquake that leveled much of Kobe, Japan, killing 5,500, and for days I searched there for any sign of criminal behavior. Finally I found a resident who had seen three men steal food. I asked him whether he was embarrassed that Japanese would engage in such thuggery.

"No, you misunderstand," he said firmly. "These looters weren't Japanese. They were foreigners."

The reasons for this are complex and partly cultural, but one reason is that Japan has tried hard to stitch all Japanese together into the nation's social fabric. In contrast, the U.S. - particularly under the Bush administration - has systematically cut people out of the social fabric by redistributing wealth from the most vulnerable Americans to the most affluent.

It's not just that funds may have gone to Iraq rather than to the levees in New Orleans; it's also that money went to tax cuts for the wealthiest rather than vaccinations for children.

None of this is to suggest that there are easy solutions for American poverty. As Ronald Reagan once said, "We fought a war on poverty, and poverty won." But we don't need to be that pessimistic - in the late 1990's, we made real headway. A ray of hope is beautifully presented in one of the best books every written on American poverty, "American Dream," by my Times colleague Jason DeParle.

So the best monument to the catastrophe in New Orleans would be a serious national effort to address the poverty that afflicts the entire country. And in our shock and guilt, that might be politically feasible. Rich Lowry of The National Review, in defending Mr. Bush, offered an excellent suggestion: "a grand right-left bargain that includes greater attention to out-of-wedlock births from the Left in exchange for the Right's support for more urban spending." That would be the best legacy possible for Katrina.

Otherwise, long after the horrors have left TV screens, about 50 of the 77 babies who die each day, on average, will die needlessly, because of poverty. That's the larger hurricane of poverty that shames our land.

E-mail: [email protected]

* Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2005 07:12 am
C.I. must not have gotten the memo about not posting whole articles.
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