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Bush supporters' aftermath thread

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:46 pm
Bush is in his second term. His poll ratings aren't very important. What is important is the development of a government in Iraq ( coming along nicely); changing the political scene in the Mideast & Persian Gulf (doing well als); growing the U.S. economy (doing fairly well, and decidedly better than our European cousins); getting his judicial appointments through (so far, so good) ; and improving our trade balance ( not good at all).

Cicerone's hierarchy of Presidents is seriously flawed - hardly defensible to any informed students of the subject. Jimmy carter is generally recognized as a failed president who seriously mismanaged many important matters and left the country dispirited and in bad economic shape - we got rid of him just in time. History will give Reagan a much higher place than Cicerone does, and Bill Clinton , a much lower one.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 01:54 pm
Quote:
Terrorism for Everyman
Is America losing the will to fight?

BY DANIEL HENNINGER
Friday, June 17, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

As far as I can tell, this is the recent news out of Iraq:

Yesterday: "Six U.S. Servicemen Die in Iraq Violence."

Wednesday: "Surge of Violence Leaves 52 Dead in Iraq."

Monday: "Iraq-Bombing Update: Additional Bombings, Death Toll 10."

It is possible to extend this headline exercise of Iraq news to the horizon. As a physical principle no less established than the second law of thermodynamics, U.S. opinion polls in June outputted these headlines and stories:

June 12: "A Growing Public Restlessness: The June [Post-ABC News] survey found that 58% of its 1,002 respondents now disapprove of the way Bush is handling both the economy and the situation in Iraq.

June 11, AP: "Only 41% said they support Bush's handling of the war in Iraq, also a low-water mark." The "war," of course extends no further than these bombing reports.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the maestro of the Iraqi civilian slaughterhouse, has produced a steady shower of human blood, and as often happens, blood has been a public-opinion downer. Perhaps in his next life al-Zarqawi can come back as an American marketing consultant. Having established there is a U.S. market for American-associated death in Iraq, such as the front page of the Yahoo! news portal, al-Zarqawi is supplying it with daily product. The up-or-down polls he reads are his profit-and- loss statement.

The June ABC-Washington Post poll asked: "All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?" 58% said No.

Precisely what conclusion is one expected to arrive at from any of this? If George Bush had never invaded Iraq, none of this would be happening? Or, if we removed our troops from Iraq, these bombings would stop? Or perhaps they will still be bombed, but we in the U.S. will not likely experience anything very bad?

If we removed our troops from Iraq, the terror would not stop. But the U.S. news of innocent civilians blown up in Iraq would move to the unread round-up columns. Then, in a way, the phenomenon of terror would indeed shrink--to this:

December 2004: A powerful explosion ripped through a market packed with Christmas shoppers in the southern Philippines yesterday, killing at least 15 people and injuring 58.

According to the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism (established after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing), there have been about 8,300 terrorist bombings in the world the past 10 years. They have killed more than 10,000 human beings and injured--often appallingly, one assumes--some 43,000 people. (There are separate tallies for arson, kidnapping, hijacking, etc. September 11 is listed as an "unconventional attack.")

May 3, 2002: A bomb attack on a church in western Colombia has left at least 60 civilians dead and about 100 others injured. Officials are blaming FARC guerrillas for the bombing.

Before September 11 happened in the United States, and ever since, factions with grievances have been blowing up unprotected people going about the act of daily life--shopping, praying, taking their children to school, laughing with friends, burying the dead--all over the world. Places where the sudden cloudbursts of blood don't always merit our front pages include Spain, Colombia, Israel, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Northern Ireland, Russia, Afghanistan, India, the Philippines, Indonesia, Egypt and elsewhere.

July 7, 2004: At least five people were killed and 11 wounded when a suspected Tamil Tiger suicide bomber blew herself up inside a police station in the Sri Lankan capital.

Living in the U.S., one could make the cold-blooded calculation that 21,000 dead and 55,000 injured from all terrorist acts over 10 years is a drop in the bucket and that the war in Iraq has mainly increased the rate of death. This may be true. But if as many suicide bombs went off in Manhattan as have gone off in Israel, Manhattanites would have demanded martial law and the summary execution of suspects on street corners. Their greatest goal in life would not be, as it is now, the closing of interrogation rooms on Guantanamo but instead the erasure of terrorists hiding across the East River.

Feb. 9, 2005: A car bomb exploded near Madrid's main convention center, injuring 43 people, hours before Spanish and Mexican leaders were due there and after a warning from the Basque separatist group ETA. It was the worst blast in the Spanish capital since last year's March 11 al Qaeda train bombings.

No matter how fat the diet of stories about Iraq suicide bombings or Gitmo shoved down our throats and no matter how many distraught opinion-poll results come back up, no serious person can allow post-9/11 American security to be reduced to that.

The death march of homicidal zombies in Iraq is trying to push us toward accepting the idea that acts of unrestrained violence against other human beings is now a normal part of politics. It is not normal. Any civilized person should want to resist the normalization of civilian killing as a political act--whether in Iraq, Spain, Indonesia or Kashmir.

These matters have been at the heart of John Bolton's marooned nomination to the U.N. Mr. Bolton's adversaries criticize his impatience with large bureaucracies tasked to the war on terror, such as the State Department, and worry he won't respect the U.N. "system."

The U.N. itself has never been able to even agree on a definition of terror. A high-level U.N. panel bluntly concluded last year: "Lack of agreement on a clear and well-known definition undermines the normative and moral stance against terrorism and has stained the United Nations' image."

Little wonder, then, that our own news coverage of these repeated slaughters of civilians in Iraq also lacks any normative or moral context unfavorable to the perpetrators. And little wonder that in such a world the only "side" many people in the U.S. feel comfortable with is heading for the exits.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 02:02 pm
Quote:
Popularity Isn't Everything
From the June 16, 2005 Wall Street Journal: Perspective on the president's waning poll numbers.
by Fred Barnes
06/17/2005 12:00:00 AM

TO UNDERSTAND WHY President Bush is relatively unpopular, one only has to look to the case of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California. After his election in November 2003, Schwarzenegger experienced a political honeymoon. He governed mostly by compromise and without pushing for sweeping change. And his popularity, measured by how people feel about his performance as governor, soared. That lasted for more than a year. Now Schwarzenegger has gotten serious. He's called for a special election to limit government spending permanently, curb teacher tenure, and take redistricting out of the hands of the legislature, which is controlled by Democrats. His popularity has plummeted.

Bush's popularity dropped in 2003 after the terrorist insurgency spread in Iraq. And except for a blip or two, it hasn't risen significantly since, even after his effective campaigning last fall, his reelection, and his dazzling inaugural address. Instead, his job performance rating in the Gallup Poll has dipped further--from 52 percent in January to 47 percent now.

Bush doesn't have the second-term blues, his administration hasn't lost its zeal, and he hasn't been troubled by scandal or the lack of a clear policy agenda. Nor is he suffering solely from his single-minded pursuit of Social Security reform. Like Schwarzenegger, the president has taken on a string of big issues--Iraq, a drastic foreign-policy overhaul, judges, plus Social Security--with predictable results. These are issues that generate political conflict. They upset settled practice, rile various institutions, stir strong opposition, and keep poll ratings low. For an activist president, lack of

popularity is part of the package.

It's sad but true that our political system, assuming the economy is not in the tank, rewards presidents (and sometimes governors) for doing little. President Clinton benefited from this. His second term was largely unproductive. He balked at Social Security or Medicare reform. The war he fought in the Balkans consisted of bombs dropped from such high altitudes that American warplanes faced minimal risk. He refused to consider sending ground troops. The result: no American casualties. He did nothing to ease the stock-market bubble or deal with the looming recession. He got along with France.

Clinton's poll numbers remained at lofty levels and still do today. His job-performance rating averaged above 60 percent in his second term. During the week in which the House of Representatives voted to impeach him, his rating was 73 percent, the highest of his presidency. In hindsight, more than 60 percent of adult Americans still regard his presidency as a success. Asked recently if they favored a third term for Clinton, 43 percent of voters said yes. Only 27 percent said they wished Bush would serve another term.

President Reagan, while hardly as unproductive as Clinton in his second term, also profited a bit from the do-little syndrome. His approval rating in June 1985 was 58 percent, well above Bush's today. True, he achieved tax reform, but that was at a time when leading Democrats were on board. And he got along famously with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, all the while marching toward victory in the Cold War. But Reagan had quickly abandoned Social Security reform when the Senate frowned on it and declined to fight for serious spending cuts. Had he pursued those issues in his second term, his popularity would no doubt have sagged.

On Capitol Hill today, Democrats have scarcely disguised their lack of an agenda and unswerving opposition to Bush's. But neither has caused them political pain. The public wants Washington to take up Social Security and make the system solvent. But Democrats haven't suffered for refusing to do either or failing to offer an alternative to Bush's reform plan. Instead, they've gained in polls measuring party preference and gauging whom voters prefer to run Congress.

Bush this week attacked Democrats for adopting "the philosophy of the stop sign, the agenda of the roadblock, and our country and our children deserve better." He declared that political parties "that choose the path of obstruction will not gain the trust of the American people." In the long run, Bush may be right. In the short run, not necessarily.

In crass political terms, you might say Bush is "stuck" with an agenda and a far-reaching one at that. In Iraq, his goal is to create a stable democracy, something that has never before been established in the Arab world. And he has been unflinching in the face of more than 1,700 American military casualties and growing public unease. "Nationally, it hurts us every day a soldier dies," a Republican congressman who supports Bush said.

The president's bold foreign policy has caused trouble in unexpected places. Republican Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio cited anti-Americanism in Europe and elsewhere as one of his reasons for opposing the nomination of John Bolton as Bush's ambassador to the United Nations. Sen. Mel Martinez,

(R., Fla.), whom the White House handpicked to run last fall, called last week for Bush to close down the prison for terrorists at Guantanamo in Cuba. And Bush's crusade for democracy as the top priority in foreign affairs has drawn few cheers from outside the ranks of political dissidents around the world.

Voters are notorious for despising political warfare. They made an exception in Clinton's case, absolving him from blame for the impeachment battle. But Bush's effort to change the ideological balance of the federal judiciary has created a furor. Reagan also tried to move the judiciary to the right, but Bush has gone about it in a more determined and sustained manner, provoking stronger opposition and a bigger struggle than Reagan did.

And then there's Social Security reform. Bush has bravely gone ahead on this issue in spite of qualms by Republicans in Congress and against a lesson offered in A Charge To Keep, his own 1999 autobiography, "It's hard to win votes for massive reform unless there is a crisis," he wrote. An addendum to that lesson might be: But if you go ahead anyway, you're sure to face massive opposition. Bush has.

For Schwarzenegger, there's an outlet for dealing with his proposals. He's chosen to put them up to a vote of Californians in a referendum this November. Bush's only outlet is Congress and that's chiefly for domestic issues. His best strategy may be to promote his policies more aggressively than ever, ignore falling poll numbers, and hope for the best. Crossing the finish line of his presidency with record low popularity may turn out to be a sign of substantive achievement and lasting reform.
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HofT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:03 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Although the following is very biased, it's worth sharing with Bush supporters: it's too funny not to.



Presidential Ratings
By: Tyler Polk

100 Franklin D. Rossevelt (political scientist)
89 Jimmy Carter (ethical/compassionate/good)

85 Harry S. Truman (reflective/practical)

82 John F. Kennedy (clever/dedicated)

52 Gerald R. Ford (bland/effective)

48 Bill Clinton (brilliant)

45 Dwight D. Eisenhower (hesitant/remote)

38 George Bush (ineffectual/crooked)

31 Lyndon B. Johnson (vindictive/obsessive)

25 George W. Bush (incompetent/megalomaniac)

21 Richard M. Nixon (insane/maniacal)

17 Ronald Reagan (demented/phony/vicious)


Cicerone - at your earliest convenience look up the constitutional amendment passed shortly after

100 Franklin D. Rossevelt (political scientist) (sic on the article as posted, presumably Roosevelt was meant by this illiterate author)

died in office at the start of his 4th term, limiting all presidents to 2 terms - sheer coincidence, right?!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:15 pm
I'm not sure why everybody is so defensive. Didn't you read my comment before the article?

Repeated here for those who missed it.

"Although the following is very biased, it's worth sharing with Bush supporters: it's too funny not to."
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HofT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:25 pm
It is PRECISELY because I read your comment, Cicerone, and EVEN reposted the whole illiterate garbage in its ENTIRETY, that I asked you to review the constitutional amendment. It's factual check, not defense - and for the record, I personally believe that had F.D. Roosevelt lived he would have faced charges of TREASON.

Thank you - if clarity was lacking in the above paragraph, kindly ask me again Smile
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HofT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:35 pm
P.S. impeachment would be automatic - had Mr. F.D. Roosevelt lived - on the easily proveable charge of attempting to add a dozen more judges to the Supreme Court, subverting the Constitution in the process.
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HofT
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 03:43 pm
Sorry, C.I., but should I also write "rossevelt" in imitation of the author of the article you posted so that we can communicate on the subject?!

ROSSEVELT it is - please excuse my misspelling Smile
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 04:51 pm
HofT, You're in a huff; don't take it so seriously, I'm not the author of that ranking of presidents. If you want an argument, write to the person who wrote that article. I thought it was funny - without any credibility. Why are you asking me to defend it?
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2005 10:22 pm
HofT wrote:
Sorry, C.I., but should I also write "rossevelt" in imitation of the author of the article you posted so that we can communicate on the subject?!


Aren't we getting a tad strict on spelling, H of T, considering your preceding post?

HofT wrote:
P.S. impeachment would be automatic - had Mr. F.D. Roosevelt lived - on the easily proveable charge of attempting to add a dozen more judges to the Supreme Court, subverting the Constitution in the process.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 07:56 am
I hope Peretz has his resume updated...

Quote:
It's a terrible risk in my environment to write anything positive about George W. Bush. When I do, my wife treats me as if I am a bit ill. My children (grown) are reluctant to introduce me to their pals. The phone stops ringing, except when there are nasty people on the other line. I get snubbed at dinner parties, or don't get invited at all. Some friends are less vindictive than others. These are the ones who humor me, apparently hoping that this is just a phase--"Rather like," said a professor of law at the University of Texas, "when you went off the deep end and supported aid to the Contras." I didn't remind her that the Sandinistas actually lost an internationally supervised election that was part of the formula for ending the Nicaraguan civil war.

I want to say something favorable about Bush again. It is this: He seems to me to have completely transcended the biases of gender and race in his appointments. Oh, he has his prejudices: He wants his appointees to be a certain sort of conservative. But no one can deny that he has broken the glass ceiling for women and blacks and Latinos in the executive and judicial branches. This is an embarrassment for Democrats who, like their present chairman, still attribute bigotry wholesale to Republicans. Well, Bush is a Republican who isn't bigoted: He has put his foreign policy in the hands and head of a female African American. This is not without some risk. Imagine the inner challenge to Saudis and other Arabs who encounter Condoleezza Rice as the plenipotentiary of the most powerful country on earth. You get an inkling of what that might feel like from the Arab saying that "a black face begins a black day." And just look at the proliferation of minorities among generals. These aren't presidential appointees, of course. Many of these decencies are the work of the hated Donald Rumsfeld.

Bill Clinton was the first black president, or so Toni Morrison ruled. He even put his post-presidential office in Harlem. But he did not appoint one African American to a truly significant office in the executive branch. Of course, Jesse Jackson did a lot of hustling around the Clinton administration, having been named "Special Envoy of the President and Secretary of State for the Promotion of Democracy in Africa." Clinton did appoint a woman to the big post of secretary of state, and Madeleine Albright did literally chase breathlessly after Yasir Arafat at Camp David, begging him to return to the conference table. Well, dignity she did not have. Let's call her excitability diligence. Albright appointed her protégée, Susan Rice, all of 33 but black, as assistant secretary for African affairs, so the eyes whose scrutiny the tyrants of Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria eluded were hers. If John Kerry had won the election, Rice was destined for a top job.


Which brings me to John Bolton. Whatever his would-be tormentors say, he is hardly being opposed because he's a nasty man or because he delivered a speech not vetted by the State Department or because he played rough with people lower on his totem pole or because he didn't believe some intelligence emanating from the CIA. (This last is actually a sign of his wisdom. The CIA has been peddling feeble and dangerous intelligence for decades.) Bolton's offense is to believe that American democracy has enemies; that words alone will not hinder their weapons; and that the United Nations is an alliance of those too weak-willed to stand up and fight for the good. Bolton believes in the sovereign power of democracies because they are responsive and responsible to their peoples. The United Nations cannot even pretend to embody such legitimacy. Please read on page 29 the immensely impressive essay by Thomas Nagel arguing (with some practical differences) this same principle.

The fact is that Bolton, as ambassador to the United Nations, would pick up the intellectual mantle of Pat Moynihan, who was attacked for his undiplomatic words and provocative ways on the same editorial pages, at the same high-minded conferences, and by the same kind of gauzy-eyed politicians that now revile Bolton. Moynihan once said to me, quoting Fred Ikle, that negotiating at the United Nations always betrays you into the "semantic infiltration" of deep falsification. This is something that Bolton would not do. It is no secret that I believe the United Nations to be a false remedy for the world's ills. (Darfur just keeps happening, doesn't it?) So, since the expansion of the organization's headquarters in New York is in deep financial and political difficulties, I propose a test. Let the United Nations move, say, to Lagos, a major city of a paradigmatic member state, undemocratic and verging always on civil strife. Let all of the supposed economic advantages of hosting the United Nations flow to that poor country. Let us see what happens. What will happen is that no one would come. The supposed need for the organization would vanish, and with it would go "the theatre of the absurd," as Moynihan once put it. His U.N. memoir and lament, A Dangerous Place, remains all too relevant.

And speaking of historically momentous personnel decisions: Reports last week revealed that the FBI had, for nearly two years, been unable to track down two of the 19 perpetrators of September 11 already in the United States. The CIA joined in the fiasco by blocking information from the Bureau. Both agencies knew that the two men posed a threat; both did nothing to stop them. This led me to ponder two other appointees, Clinton appointees. The first is Louis Freeh, who spent the years immediately before September 11 obsessing about Al Gore's altogether faultless appearance at some Buddhist temple rather than riveting his attention and his counterterrorism team on, well, terrorism. The second is George Tenet, whose failures in dealing with Al Qaeda have been overwhelmed by his confident evaluation of Saddam's chemical arsenal, which locked the Bush administration into its own fixations. And one last observation that will not endear me to my own: For many years, Hillary Rodham Clinton was a director of Wal-Mart, which is taking heat for structuring its labor force so that it doesn't have to pay medical benefits. This is a moral and economic scandal. What did Mrs. Clinton say about it or do about it when she was on Wal-Mart's board?


http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050627&s=diarist062705
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 12:00 pm
JustWonders wrote:
I hope Peretz has his resume updated...


Oops. No 'resume updating' necessary. It seems Martin Peretz owns The New Republic. My bad.

http://www.tnr.com/masthead.mhtml

Interesting.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2005 12:06 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Interesting.


Interesting indeed.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2005 06:34 pm
David Letterman has some suggestions of ways to relieve Saddam's depression Smile




Top Ten Ways To Cheer Up Saddam Hussein

10. Let him oppress just one Kurd a few hours a week

9. Surprise him with a year's supply of mustache dye

8. Bring him his old "World's Greatest Dictator" mug

7. Laugh at his impression of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad

6. Give him a collection of hilarious "Yo mullah's so fat" jokes

5. Remind him his one permitted phone call saved him 15% on his car insurance

4. Membership in the "Falafel of the Month Club"

3. Show him some of them "Hey, Vern" movies

2. Package of new underpants

1. Three words: Los Angeles jury
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 10:30 am
As ususal, Boortz hits the nail on the head again today:

Quote:
AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY

A new CNN USA Today Gallup poll shows that 59% of Americans are now opposed to the war in Iraq. You can be certain that there are celebrations in the Islamofascist strongholds in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Syria at this news. Their plan is working. Sending Islamic goons across the border to Iraq to murder innocent civilians, Iraqi police and American soldiers is having exactly the effect they wanted to have. The American people are losing their resolve. Of course the Islamofascists are being helped a great deal by the American media. A suicide bombing is certain to make the front pages. A story about the benefits of freedom and economic liberty in Iraq won't make it past most editors. We get the day after day coverage of the violence and killings, but no coverage of the improvements in the lives of ordinary Iraqis with Saddam Hussein gone.

The message to the Islamic terrorists is clear. Hold on. The American people are coming to the rescue. The Islamic jihad will survive and Iraq will not be free.
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 04:16 pm
Clinton: Gitmo Horror Could Spark Muslim Brutality
by Scott Ott

(2005-06-20) -- Former President Bill Clinton today said that if the scandal-plagued terrorist detention facility at Guantánamo Bay isn't "cleaned up or closed down" then insurgents in Iraq may resort to killing Iraqis, and could even begin attacking U.S. troops.

"If the United States gets a reputation in the Muslim world of mistreating terrorist prisoners," said Mr. Clinton, "It could unleash what sociologists call 'the righteous brutality of the oppressed' among the normally-peaceful followers of Islam."

The former president said the backlash could include, "bombings, kidnappings and even beheadings. That's the kind of future we may face unless we atone for the sins of Gitmo."
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 05:02 pm
Heard on the radio today: Who do you suppose is eating better, getting better reading material, getting better health care, enjoying more daily laundry, housekeeping, and is in less fear of the authorities: GITMO prisoners or Elian Gonzales?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 08:10 pm
Ah, drat...
Quote:
Schwarzenegger Seeks Deal As Ratings Slip

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 21, 2005
Filed at 8:52 p.m. ET

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Responding to a precipitous drop in popularity, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Tuesday said he wants to seek compromise with Democrats on the state budget and on issues he has placed before voters for a November special election.

''I feel that there is an agreement to be had,'' he said at a Capitol news conference. ''We can resolve this, and then we can go together to the special election -- Democrats and Republicans alike.

''It's all about the will. Do we have the will to represent the people of California?''

Schwarzenegger's tone contrasted with the message delivered Monday by his chief political consultant when the results of a Field Poll began circulating. Mike Murphy had dismissed the public opinion survey, noting the governor had yet to fully unleash his campaign in support of his ballot measures.

The poll released Tuesday showed Schwarzenegger's job approval rating at a new low, 37 percent. The drop continued a slide that began in January when he announced plans for a ''great battle'' with the Democrats who control the state Legislature.

from ap
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 08:31 pm
The people of California are confused. They elected Arnold to get the budget under control and to get California out of the finacial crisis it was in. Now, they can't stomach the means that Arnold is using to get the job done.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jun, 2005 08:34 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Clinton: Gitmo Horror Could Spark Muslim Brutality
by Scott Ott

(2005-06-20) -- Former President Bill Clinton today said that if the scandal-plagued terrorist detention facility at Guantánamo Bay isn't "cleaned up or closed down" then insurgents in Iraq may resort to killing Iraqis, and could even begin attacking U.S. troops.

"If the United States gets a reputation in the Muslim world of mistreating terrorist prisoners," said Mr. Clinton, "It could unleash what sociologists call 'the righteous brutality of the oppressed' among the normally-peaceful followers of Islam."

The former president said the backlash could include, "bombings, kidnappings and even beheadings. That's the kind of future we may face unless we atone for the sins of Gitmo."


Surely you jest.

No matter what I might have thought of Billy Boy, I never thought him an idiot.
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