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1. You and your tribe, far right conservatives, are the ones who are hung up on race.

People can call themselves what they want.

2. There are actually many people who like the surroundings but despise the propagandist BS that is the "American experience".

3. There are actually many people who like the surroundings but despise the illegal invasions, the forever brutalizing nature of the US, the slaughters of innocents, the genocides, the thieving nature of the US government and US business, the fact that their country is a war mongering nation.

4. There are actually many people who like the surroundings but despise the fact that their governments are willing to kill their own just to help US business steal from the poor of the world.

Incorrect. The left is obsessed with race and peoples skin color. This is proven by the way they critize minorities when they don't tow the DNC party line.

It's also another reason why people like me prefer to use the color neutral term American...

You wouldn't understand the American experience if I put into into a coloring book.

Where might they tow it to?

I can't speak for the entire left but generally, it isn't the left that whines about people keeping their cultures and languages alive. That would be you, Baldimo, and the folks you hang out with and claim as your own.

How can you advance such preposterous things in the face of how you yourself act, how you yourself speak?

It's not color neutral. It's a right wing meme put out to hide the fact that they are racists. It goes against fundamental American values that describe personal freedom.

On 3. & 4. you did what far too many "home of the brave" [registered & copyrighted USA propaganda] folks do, flee.

That's how it has been sold to you, I do understand that.

That isn't the issue,when people refuse to learn English here in the US,

I don't believe that this is happening. The immigrants (legal and illegal) that I know are working very hard to learn English. Second generation immigrants are usually bilingual.

Of course in the 1800s there were places where German was spoken in public. In the 1900s there were places in the US where Italian was the main language of business (In Boston, Italian can still be prominently heard in certain neighborhoods). Of course, Spanish should be a bit different... I don't think there was ever a time in the past 500 years that residents of Florida, California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona didn't speak Spanish.

I see no evidence that today's immigrants are any different in this respect than earlier immigrants.

There is a lot of the fear of immigrants that isn't based on facts.

It isn't fear, well maybe for a minor portion or citizens, but not for the majority, that's why it's hard to have this discussion with you.

You keep talking about "the majority" as if you speak for "the majority". The majority of people support a pathway to citizenship for people here illegally (provided they aren't otherwise criminals). The majority of people also support stronger border enforcement.

I am very clearly on one side of this issue. I have no problem accepting the facts as facts whether they support my position or not.

But talking about "the majority" often leads to contradictions. This isn't just true in the immigration issue, it is true on most issues. The majority of people want lower taxes and more government services.

My big beef is with people telling me what it means to be an "American". I have no problem saying that you and your family are fully American, in spite of the fact that you clearly disagree with me on many issues and likely have a quite different lifestyle than I have.

American culture is changing. Culture always changes... we no longer wear top hats and satin gloves (much of this has nothing to do with immigration). However, America in the past 100 years has been greatly impacted by waves of immigration bringing us everything from tacos, to pad thai. In my opinion this is a good thing.

The rhetoric from some on the right that immigrants threaten American culture pisses me off.

There is a real cultural battle in the US about whether we are a country of Northern European Protestants, or a nation of immigrants. My side on this battle is clear. I accept that there are many people who disagree with me.

of Southern European Catholics was a goal

"We have thrown open wide our gates and through them have come other alien races, of alien blood, from Asia and southern Europe … with their strange and pagan rites, their babble of tongues."
-Senator Ira Hersey of Maine