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Global Warming: Junk Mathematics

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 05:25 pm
Hey I am a Christian and have no problem with the big bang theory at all. If it turns out to be flawed, I'm okay with that too. The vacuum cleaner theory works just as well.
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mesquite
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 05:32 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I don't think religion was ever a factor or consideration in this discussion until you brought it up ebrown.

Check page 6.

By the way, what is that cute little avatar? It looks like a bush with poor vision, skating. Am I right?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 05:40 pm
Gunga,

Do you really subscribe to what rense says? Or, did you just google a site that agrees with you?

That is some weird stuff!
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 05:45 pm
Mesquite I have no clue what my avatar is. But when I saw it, I just had to have it. It was just me. Smile
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 06:07 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Mesquite I have no clue what my avatar is. But when I saw it, I just had to have it. It was just me. Smile
It looks like a fry guy from the hay day of Mc Donalds.
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Magus
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 06:17 pm
Looks like a few of the die-hard Bush supporters have been finagled into showing their true colors... and the kind of ideology/thought processes that underlie their perspective.

What do you call those creatures who flush the quail out from under cover?

Oh, yeah... Bird dogs.

"Mission accomplished".
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 06:50 pm
Walter

Your wide-eyed post a while back was very funny indeed.

According to the President's own science advisory council, global warming is real and human activity is complicit. Bush, being Bush, referred to these findings as something produced by 'those bureaucrats'.

Foxfyre makes the claim above (or suggests it) that scientists have a vested interest in pursuing global warming theories, regarless of scientific merit, because it provides work for them. That's rather silly in a couple of obvious ways.

First, what area of scientific investigation wouldn't be equally indictable if the criterion for judging wasted effort is simply the fact of scientific activity? Lots of scientists are working on a cure for AIDS, therefore they are money-motivated, therefore there is no AIDS problem.

Second, it isn't the scientists working out of universities who stand to gain financially from their research (they'd be doing something else in any case). More properly, her claim of tainted objectivity applies to scientists working for the corporations which are complicit in activities related to global warming.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:16 pm
I just took some time to follow the money awhile back. The correlation was too consistent to be purely coincidental.
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blatham
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:24 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I just took some time to follow the money awhile back. The correlation was too consistent to be purely coincidental.


You understand, I assume, that the above is about as compelling as my saying that I've studied the matter and have now determined that black people are way stupider than asians.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 07:33 pm
Really? What compelled you to undertake such a study, Blatham?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 09:54 pm
blatham wrote:
Let's let gunga describe the sequence of events that might allow a transfer of oceans from Mars to Earth.


Has anybody else on A2K tried to keep up with the stuff the probes have been sending back from Mars for the last 6 years?

Basically, aside from all the images of mechanical junk and debris and what not which we see in the Spirit probe photos, you've got pictures of megalithic structures, villages, rows of rectangular structures with terracing, city street structures, several images of human faces meant to be seen from off planet, and God knows what all else. Very obviously, some sort of a catastrophe ruined the planet after it had been inhabited for a long period of time. To me at least, it just isn't that difficult to picture whatever did that also dumping that planet's oceans onto this planet.


http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2003/09/15/DandMannotated_i1.gif

5-Sided D&M pyramid from Cydonia region of Mars.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 09:57 pm
There are many mysteries on in the Cydonia region of Mars. I have already made a reference to Mars in another global warming thread.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 09:59 pm
Shocked

http://www.sachsreport.com/signs%20tinfoil%20hat.jpg

Laughing
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 10:39 pm
Adrian wrote:
Shocked

http://www.sachsreport.com/signs%20tinfoil%20hat.jpg

Laughing


Don't take my word for it; do your own google search on 'cydonia' and check it out. More like anybody who hasn't heard about any of this stuff by now should be wearing a dunce cap.


http://www.simpson.edu/~tinder/Hum290/H290Moravia4.JPEG
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 10:39 pm
Baldimo wrote:
There are many mysteries on in the Cydonia region of Mars. I have already made a reference to Mars in another global warming thread.


It's more than just the one region. It's pretty much all over the planet.
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 10:41 pm
Alright, I'm back. I'll begin by clearing up the effect of melting ice on sea levels. The fact is, that floating objects displace exactly their own weight in water, which means that the melting of sea ice would have no effect on sealevels whatsoever. The extra volume added when the water freezes exactly equals the volume of ice sticking out of the water. No rise or fall in sea level. As for ice on land melting, well, no one really questions that that causes sea levels to rise.

So, where is the ice? the north pole is comprised of floating ice, but the southern polar icecap rests on land. antarctica is a continent, and much of it will still be above sealevel if the ice melts. Considerable amounts of ice also rests on land in siberia, and I think in northern Canada.

The effect of melting ice is rising sealevels, period.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:00 pm
You're falling behind Einherjar. We are up cities on Mars now.

It truly is fascinating. :wink:

Gungasnake, I have heard about that stuff. It's what I would consider, 'junk mathematics', if you know what I mean.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:04 pm
Adrian wrote:
You're falling behind Einherjar. We are up cities on Mars now.

It truly is fascinating. :wink:

Gungasnake, I have heard about that stuff. It's what I would consider, 'junk mathematics', if you know what I mean.


Do your own google search on 'cydonia' and read some of what turns up. There's way too much of this stuff to scoff at as of now.


http://www.keithlaney.com/TargetMarsHome/E03-00824face.jpg

Recent image of face megalith at Cydonia
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:07 pm
Adrian wrote:
You're falling behind Einherjar. We are up cities on Mars now.


I just noticed. (missed the last page)

gsnake wrote:
you've got pictures of megalithic structures, villages, rows of rectangular structures with terracing, city street structures, several images of human faces meant to be seen from off planet [on Mars]


That's not true, if it were, it would have been on the news.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:19 pm
Einherjar wrote:


That's not true, if it were, it would have been on the news.


It's been in the news:

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/pressconf_nyc.asp

Tom Van Flandern who operates metaresearch.org is a former director of the Naval Observatory.

The real question is why hasn't NASA been shouting this stuff to the rooftops for the last 10 years, and the answer is that it blows their vision of the history of our solar system. There's no way to picture Mars ever having been habitable given standard theories about our solar system and there's also no way to build all those megaliths with spacesuits on. NASA and the JPL are about evenly divided on the nature of the Mars findings. About half the people there view the stuff as obviously artificial, and the other half don't want to hear about it.
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