Global Warming: Junk Mathematics

They have evolved. From a common ancestor into 2 new species.

I know, but where do you draw the line between the species though? I'm sure we could present the remains of every speciment of either lineage to gungasnake and he would not recognise any of them as "intermediary".

You don't "get" Asian Elephants "from" African elephants.
BOTH the Asian and the African species were descended, separately, from common ancestors.
A LONG time ago.
THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

The Earth formed BILLIONS of years ago.

You don't "get" Asian Elephants "from" African elephants.
BOTH the Asian and the African species were descended, separately, from common ancestors.

Excuse me folks, but anybody here heard of DNA? How species are related (i.e. how far back in time you have to go to find a common ancestor) can be proven mathematically by checking how much DNA their genomes have in common.

"At that moment, when the DNA/RNA system became understood, the debate
between Evolutionists and Creationists should have come to a screeching
halt

I.L. Cohen, Researcher and Mathematician
Member NY Academy of Sciences
Officer of the Archaeological Inst. of America
Darwin Was Wrong - A Study in Probabilities
New Research Publications, 1984, p. 4

Quote:

"At that moment, when the DNA/RNA system became understood, the debate
between Evolutionists and Creationists should have come to a screeching
halt

I.L. Cohen, Researcher and Mathematician
Member NY Academy of Sciences
Officer of the Archaeological Inst. of America
Darwin Was Wrong - A Study in Probabilities
New Research Publications, 1984, p. 4

Excuse me folks, but anybody here heard of DNA? How species are related (i.e. how far back in time you have to go to find a common ancestor) can be proven mathematically by checking how much DNA their genomes have in common.

Source of that quotation:
www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/origin-of-life.html

Excuse me folks, but anybody here heard of DNA? How species are related (i.e. how far back in time you have to go to find a common ancestor) can be proven mathematically by checking how much DNA their genomes have in common.

The fact is that there are tons of evidence of evolution, primarily similar trraits in related species. These similarities are not limited to actual caracteristics of animals, lineages can also be traced by similarities in junk dna. No, we don't have samples from long extinct species, but the extent of similarities between closely and less closely related species matches up nicely with the amount of time passed since speciation.

Einherjar wrote:

I know, but where do you draw the line between the species though? I'm sure we could present the remains of every speciment of either lineage to gungasnake and he would not recognise any of them as "intermediary".

It isn't that complicated. In my view microevolution COULD get you from an African to an Asian elephant. What evolution cannot do is get you from a coelurosaur to a flying bird, as the evolutionists claim to be the case.

gungasnake wrote:

Einherjar wrote:

I know, but where do you draw the line between the species though? I'm sure we could present the remains of every speciment of either lineage to gungasnake and he would not recognise any of them as "intermediary".

It isn't that complicated. In my view microevolution COULD get you from an African to an Asian elephant. What evolution cannot do is get you from a coelurosaur to a flying bird, as the evolutionists claim to be the case.

So, you do not contest that evolution could acount for Asian and African evolving from a common ancestor, even though they are sufficiently different not to be able to interbreed, but you do not think that same process could acount for Humans evolving from heidelbergensis.

Why is that?

I've already explained this one several times, but.....

They started doing DNA studies on neanderthal remains around 97. People doing those studies have described neanderthal DNA as "about halfway between ours, and that of a chimpanzee", sourcewhich totally rules out the neanderthal as a possible human ancestor.Sorry but it doesn't, it only rules out interbreeding. In order to be descended from something, at some point, it has to be possible to interbreed WITH the something, and we could no more interbreed with neanderthals than we could with camels or horses. The DNA studies in fact resolved the big mystery of why there was no evidence of interbreeding between humans and neanderthals despite their having lived in close proximity for long periods of time as described by James Shreeve in "The Neanderthal Peace".

Now, common sense and one look at neanderthal and heidelbergensis skulls should suffice to convince any reasonable person that however much difference there was between us and the neanderthal, there was a lot more difference between us and heidelbergensis. Wrong Neanderthal was a proto-human of some sort, while heidelbergensis was basically a glorified ape. distinction? If neanderthal's DNA was halfway between ours and the chimp's, heidelbergensis' is going to be halfway between that of the chimp and that of the neanderthal.

It's not complicated. If we couldn't be descended from the neanderthal because he was too far removed, we sure as hell could not be desccended from heidelbergensis.

It isn't that complicated. In my view microevolution COULD get you from an African to an Asian elephant. What evolution cannot do is get you from a coelurosaur to a flying bird, as the evolutionists claim to be the case.