Gungasnake wrote:Aside from being junk science, evolution was also the most major philosophical foundation of naziism, communism, and the various 'eugenics' movements you had in the late 1800s and early to mid 1900s.
First I fail to see the role of evolution as a "major philosophical foundation" for any of the above, at best it was thrown in as an afterthought.
The Nazi's were creationists, only jews had evolved from the same anscestors as apes.
The communists distorted evolutiontheory to say aquired characteristics were passed on to future generations.
And eugenics? That is encouraging selective breeding of humans, which requires no more understanding of evolution than it takes to breed sheep which grow more wool or cattle that produces more milk, which was practiced thousands of years before Darwin.
I could start listing ideologies which builds on distorted versions of Christianity, starting with Nazism, but I would presume that you have heard it all before, or at least enough of it.
Gungasnake wrote:Newt Gingrich said it best: The question of whether you view your fellow man as a fellow child of God or as a meat byproduct of random and stochastic processes simply HAS to affect human relations. If you actually believe the later, then there is no logical basis for morality. There is nothing really other than fear of possible consequences to prevent your becoming a nazi, a communist, a gangster, a cannibal, or whatever you like.
There is idealism. Besides, I have yet to see evidence that religion has ever kept anyone out of those cathegories. (exept perhaps communism by definition) Atheists are underrepresented in prisons, you knew that right?
Morality is an axiomatic structure, it needs no logical basis. It is useful, and therefore it is theorised and implemented. You see "a meat byproduct of random and stochastic processes" as undiserving of the curtisy you yourself expect because you see yourself as something different. People treat other people as equals if they see them as equals no matter what they consider the species origins. The same mechanism that allows you to think as you do about "meat byproducts of a random stochastic process" alowed the nazis to think similar thoughts about jews, and the white population of the united states to think similar thoughts about Blacks. Morality is structured to allow a comunity to function, and moral rights are not extended beyond the percived comunity. I for instance do not see slaughtering a cow as murder.
Gungasnake wrote:Now, the last time somebody put these ideas into practice in any sort of a large-scale way, Norway was one of the victims and not one of the winners, if memory serves.
Evolution is a theory, not a doctrine. It can not be put into practice as it does not detail any action.
And Norway was on the winning side of WWII, so there
Gungasnake wrote:Do people in Norway really view tha sort of a thing as such a cool idea?
"naziism, communism, and the various 'eugenics' movements"? NO
And evolution is wieved as just as cool an idea as gravity and heliocentrisity.
Gungasnake wrote:Suppose somebody decided to bring that state of affairs back, i.e.suppose they found enough genetic material to clone Adolf Hitler and re-establish the nazi-German state. Would Norwegians approve of that?
Would Norwegians approve of a resurection of the third reich? NO, off course we wouldn't. (exept perhaps a few extreemists who belive they were created by a higher being)
You really should stop reading so much innto a simple theory.
If you want to debate this despite what you said earlier, just say so, and we'll set up a thread on the religion forum.
