Global Warming: Junk Mathematics

Well, since we Europeans lack of the advantage to own a Judeo-Christian heritage, I think, it all started with Sibyl, Aesir, and Thor, etc.

And the earth is formed from slain body of the giant Ymir, the first living creature. (I really should re-read the Edda to find out moret about the water, I admit.)

Actually, gsnake, geological research indicates that sea levels WERE quite a bit lower at one time... because a great deal of the water was locked into polar icecaps and glaciers.
The presence of eskers and moraines indicates that the glaciation extended all the way down to Long Island Sound here in the American northeast.

All that changed when the climate underwent a radical shift... and grew WARMER.

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.

It probably took a bit longer than the 40 days cited in Genesis, and the sea level change was nowhere near 2000 feet.

But the water didn't magically appear as in a dramatic sudden event from Outer Space...

at least that's how the SCIENTISTS interpret the DATA from their RESEARCH.

The SAME scientists that are drawing our attention to the effects atmospheric carbon dioxide has upon global climate... the "Greenhouse Effect".

Carl Sagan was the guy who originated the idea of greenhouse and supergreenhouse effects. According to Carl, in theory at least, we're all dead from the greenhouse and nuclear winter caused by the oil fires of the Gulf war in 91.

Near the poles, in parts of Alaska, Canada, Siberia and the Antarctic, temperatures are rising faster than elsewhere. The permafrost is melting and plants, animals and the people that live there are already being affected.

Arctic sea ice is melting at a faster rate than previously thought. A report by NASA (December 2002) warned that it might disappear completely by the end of the century. Melting sea ice doesn't raise sea levels but it could threaten ocean productivity, change current systems and disrupt global weather still further (because heat that would be reflected off the ice will be absorbed instead).

Sea ice also plays an important role in keeping the ice and snow covering the Antarctic continent in place. With nothing to stop it, the Antarctic ice sheet may slide into the ocean and melt. In this extreme case, sea levels would rise by an estimated 65 to 70 metres.

Evidence suggests that land glaciers are retreating at an unprecidented rate. Some scientists estimate that the impact of glacial melt water, together with other factors, such as the thermal expansion of sea water, will cause a significant change. The IPCC currently predicts a sea level rise of between 11 and 88cm this century.

Some 50 million people a year already have to deal with flooding caused by storm surges. If the sea rises by half a metre, this number could double. A metre rise would inundate 1% of Egypt's land, 6% of the Netherlands and 17.5% of Bangladesh. Only 20% of the Marshall Islands would be left above water.

Although the ice sheets in Greenland have been thinning, analysis of long-term climate information (presented in the journal Geophysical Review Letters) has shown that temperatures in the southern part of the island and the Labrador Sea have fallen over the last 40 years, not risen. Scientists associate this cooling with the North Atlantic Oscillation, a natural and recurring pressure pattern that has a profound impact on the weather experienced in the North Atlantic region.

Some believe that there'd always been a water canopy over the Earth and that it collapsed. Another possibility would be the oceans of Mars getting dumped on this planet in some sort of a near miss between the two planets, since whatever happened to Mars' oceans now appears to be a big mystery. There ARE possibilities.

Rupert Wildt propounded the greenhouse effect for the first time in the 40's of last century. (He thaught, it was due to the high temperatures of Venus.)
In the early 1960's, his theory was revived and championed by Carl Sagan - and thus entered German grammar school schoolbooks.

Actually, gsnake, geological research indicates that sea levels WERE quite a bit lower at one time... because a great deal of the water was locked into polar icecaps and glaciers.
The presence of eskers and moraines indicates that the glaciation extended all the way down to Long Island Sound here in the American northeast.

All that changed when the climate underwent a radical shift... and grew WARMER.

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.

It probably took a bit longer than the 40 days cited in Genesis, and the sea level change was nowhere near 2000 feet.

But the water didn't magically appear as in a dramatic sudden event from Outer Space...

at least that's how the SCIENTISTS interpret the DATA from their RESEARCH.

The SAME scientists that are drawing our attention to the effects atmospheric carbon dioxide has upon global climate... the "Greenhouse Effect".

Magus wrote:

Actually, gsnake, geological research indicates that sea levels WERE quite a bit lower at one time... because a great deal of the water was locked into polar icecaps and glaciers.
The presence of eskers and moraines indicates that the glaciation extended all the way down to Long Island Sound here in the American northeast.

All that changed when the climate underwent a radical shift... and grew WARMER.

GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.

It probably took a bit longer than the 40 days cited in Genesis, and the sea level change was nowhere near 2000 feet.

But the water didn't magically appear as in a dramatic sudden event from Outer Space...

at least that's how the SCIENTISTS interpret the DATA from their RESEARCH.

The SAME scientists that are drawing our attention to the effects atmospheric carbon dioxide has upon global climate... the "Greenhouse Effect".

100% right about everything, good post.

Don't bother replying to gunga, unless you're doing it for your own enjoyment. Hell, I can see how somebody could have fun debating with him. The only problem is it's like beating up a blind man. Anyone can do it, hell my 4 year old nephew could make a better case of this. You see, when you listen to warped religious viewpoints all of your life, you actually believe the crap.

The funny part is while he calls it faith, I call ignorance. I usually hate to jump on peoples beliefs, but when you start toting thinks like "the oceans rose because of a large asteroid" or "They rose because Mars passed too close to Earth" you're just asking for it.

Two studies melt Antarctic hype

Data reveal cooler air, thickening ice sheets, near South Pole

Monday, February 04, 2002
by David Rothbard and Craig Rucker


"Higher average temperatures result in the melting of glaciers, in ice being discharged into the oceans from the ice caps of Antarctica."

So chimed Al Gore in his famous (or infamous) book, Earth in the Balance. Indeed for years environmentalists have been echoing similar alarms about the state of the Antarctic, claiming that rising temperatures are causing a melting of the polar cap and a rise in sea levels.

Such rising sea levels, of course, could cause all manner of mayhem - as coastal cities and tropical islands would be covered in ever-rising ocean waters and whole ecosystems and urban populations would be threatened.

Now comes two new studies putting a chill on such alarmist claims.

The first comes from the journal Science which notes that new measurements taken in the West Antarctic show the ice sheet is actually thickening, not melting, reversing earlier estimates about its condition. The new measurements, taken from the Ross ice streams using special satellite-based radars, indicate the ice streams in the region have slowed or halted altogether. And this is good news, so say researchers Ian Joughin and Slawek Tulaczyk of the University of California, Santa Cruz, because if the thickening is not merely part of some short-term fluctuation, it represents a major reversal of the long retreat of ice.
This finding comes less than a week after another astonishing revelation published in the prestigious journal Nature, which reports that Antarctica's harsh desert valleys - long considered a bellwether for global climate change - have grown noticeably cooler since 1986. Indeed, air temperature readings taken continuously over the region indicate a significant cooling of over 1 degree Fahrenheit - and this defies a worldwide land-based warming trend spanning the past 100 years.

No doubt these Antarctic findings are continuing to put the deep freeze on the prospects of catastrophic manmade global warming!
http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=4&idarticle=244

The sources they cite aren't objective scientific journals?