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Trump to add a 5% tariff on all imports

 
 
Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2016 08:38 pm
This will end up costing more for all Americans at a time when our economy is beginning to show some strength. It's a bad idea; even a first year Econ student would know better, and Trump supposedly graduated from Wharton.
It will slow down trade, and it will cost American jobs.
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2016 09:26 pm
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-tariffs/
Washington (CNN)President-elect Donald Trump's transition team is discussing a proposal to impose tariffs as high as 10% on imports, according to multiple sources.

A senior Trump transition official said Thursday the team is mulling up to a 10% tariff aimed at spurring US manufacturing, which could be implemented via executive action or as part of a sweeping tax reform package they would push through Congress.
Incoming White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus floated a 5% tariff on imports in meetings with key Washington players last week, according to two sources who represent business interests in Washington. But the senior transition official who spoke to CNN Thursday on the condition of anonymity said the higher figure is now in play.
Such a move would deliver on Trump's "America First" campaign theme, but risks drawing the US into a trade war with other countries and driving up the cost of consumer goods in the US. And it's causing alarm among business interests and the pro-trade Republican establishment.
The senior transition official said the transition team is beginning to find "common ground" with House Speaker Paul Ryan and Ways and Means Committee Chairman Kevin Brady, pointing in particular to the border adjustment tax measure included in House Republicans' "Better Way" tax reform proposal, which would disincentivize imports through tax policy.
Aides to Ryan and Brady declined to say they had "common ground" with Trump, but acknowledged they are in deep discussions with transition staffers on the issue.
Curbing free trade was a central element of Trump's campaign. He promised to rip up the North American Free Trade Agreement with Mexico and Canada. He also vowed to take a tougher line against other international trading partners, almost always speaking harshly of China but often including traditional US allies such as Japan in his complaint that American workers get the short end of the stick under current trade practices.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2016 09:32 pm
@edgarblythe,
What Trump's 10% tariff will do to prices and US jobs.
http://www.abc57.com/story/34116927/trump-team-floats-a-10-tariff-on-imports
TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2016 10:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So this will be the first of many bad moves. When the new American jobs don't appear, what will all the Trumpsters be saying? (Probably it will be Obama's fault).
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 01:27 am
@TomTomBinks,
TomTomBinks wrote:
what will all the Trumpsters be saying? (Probably it will be Obama's fault).

In Britain, it is standard practice for the present government to blame anything bad on the previous time the other party was in power, even if it was over 6 years ago. Seems to be a standard way politicians have of deflecting criticism when they can't think of anything better.

TomTomBinks
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 01:35 am
@contrex,
Yeah, but it's so transparent isn't it? Does anyone believe it? I think our situation in the US now is far from ordinary. We seem to have abandoned facts and reason as a means to win an argument. (Just look at Trumps campaign and how much support he has) It's disheartening.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 02:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

This will end up costing more for all Americans at a time when our economy is beginning to show some strength. It's a bad idea; even a first year Econ student would know better, and Trump supposedly graduated from Wharton.
It will slow down trade, and it will cost American jobs.


I believe it will bring jobs back, since we will build products here again. Yes, they may cost more, so with the jobs that pay a living wage, people will be able to afford what they need, and not buy all the cheaper Asian schlock (schlock in my opinion). Anything built in the U.S. is better than foreign goods, in my opinion again.
Builder
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 04:08 pm
@Foofie,
Tariffs are put in place to protect local markets. It's actually a wise move, longer term.

Offshoring the manufacturing base has not done the US any good at all. In fact, the bulk of America's money is now stashed away in offshore tax havens.

So much for the trickle-down theory.
George
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 04:27 pm
So how will this affect foreign companies that manufacture in the US?

Toyota Camry tops cars.com's American-Made Index.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 04:28 pm
@Builder,
I hope they do. the sooner that the voters who voted for tRump find themselves in deep shyt because of his policies the sooner some real change can be made. Of course he will play the conservative trump card and start a couple of wars so the patriots can vote against their best interests.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 04:59 pm
@Foofie,
Did you ever study Economics? How about Macroeconomics?
Do you understand what Comparative Advantage means?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lPG7sGKBmEQ/UAdxniBIXGI/AAAAAAAAB0g/JOAL2m5rztA/s1600/apparel.employment.jpg

The apparel industry in the US since 2000.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=graph+of+apparel+industry+in+the+us+since+1990&view=detailv2&&id=FCBDED0C5A85082AE49E7E0590964A3CDCEFB1D7&selectedIndex=3&ccid=QaAaEC6s&simid=608035291565459985&thid=OIP.M41a01a102eacf42a6c819a9433fd4643o0&ajaxhist=0
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 05:00 pm
I'll be interested to see if Ivanka Trump brings her clothing line to American manufacturers.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 05:05 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Fairly basic and proven concept, CI.


http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/tariff-trade-barrier-basics.asp
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 05:16 pm
@Builder,
One of the problems for the US is that several of the main countries who they're targetting have room to drop their prices to offset the tariff. They've got more time to make this work than the US does.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 05:17 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
In fact, the bulk of America's money is now stashed away in offshore tax havens.


a significant percentage of American debt is held by China

if they decide to call the debt as a result of this possible tariff ... boom goes America (and likely Canada as well)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 06:40 pm
@ehBeth,
Japan just passed China on holders of US treasuries.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 07:23 pm
https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355

an interesting analysis

including

Quote:
How Did China Become One of America's Biggest Bankers?
China is more than happy to own close to a third of the U.S. debt.


Owning U.S. Treasury notes helps China's economy grow by keeping its currency weaker than the dollar. That keeps Chinese exports cheaper than U.S. products. China's highest priority is to create enough jobs for its 1.4 billion people.

The United States allowed China to become one of its biggest bankers because the American people enjoyed low consumer prices. Selling debt to China allows the U.S. economy to grow by funding federal government programs. It also keeps U.S. interest rates low. But China's ownership of U.S. debt is shifting the economic balance of power in its favor.

Why Does China Own So Much U.S. Debt?

China makes sure its currency, the yuan, is always lower than the U.S. dollar. Why? Part of its economic strategy is to keep its export prices competitive. It does this by holding the yuan at a fixed rate compared to a basket of currencies, the majority of which is the dollar. When the dollar falls in value, the Chinese government uses extra currency to buy Treasuries, which increases demand for the dollar, increasing its value.

Also, China promises to redeem dollars for yuan at the fixed rate. It must keep a good supply of Treasury notes in reserve.

China's position as America's largest banker gives it some political leverage. Now and then, China threatens to sell part of its debt holdings. It knows that, if it did so, U.S. interest rates would rise, which would slow U.S economic growth. China often calls for a new global currency to replace the dollar, which is used in most international transactions. China does this whenever the U.S. allows the value of the dollar to drop, which makes the debt China holds less valuable.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 07:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
http://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-overtakes-china-as-largest-u-s-bondholder-1429129765
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 07:36 pm
@ehBeth,
China recognised the system for what it really is, a global ponzi scheme, and works it for all its worth.
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Builder
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2016 08:35 pm
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