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They are living miserable lives now...why endure it for all of eternity?

The man makes a good point. If heaven is like this, an eternity of it would be hell. That's why reincarnation holds no appeal to me.

Earth and this existence is like the toughest school you ever experienced. Glad for the education but oh so glad to move on. I wonder what it is that Frank looks forward to as he and the world rapidly ages.

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@Leadfoot,

The earthly human experience is certainly not, "hell" to most people. Just the opposite.

In the earthly experience we see consequences and circumstances and can for the most part use our hearts and minds and choose our own destiny in leu of these experiences.

Unlike the mythicized heaven that is filled with drones who idolize a god and they have no will of their own with which to discern good and/or evil.

"This" life could not be any grander in scope and dimension.

The more a person has the opportunity to actually live this life and explore all of its benefits, I would count that as the highest honor and glory available in the cosmos.

Christianity discounts "this world" seeking a future world that is nothing but slavery and is subservient to a deity that may likely not even exist.

Love life while you can Leadfoot...

If you should get a second chance to live this life, (though that seems highly doubtful) count it as a blessing...

Christianity has a lot of really terrible doctrines and its demeaning of this life/world is one of its worse aberrations.

John 10:10 KJV
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

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We already have life, ...and much of Christianity has become the thief trying to destroy "this" life.

Just look at all of the anti vaxxers basing their ignorant "self-sacrifice DEATH" on their ill begotten Christian faith?

This is certainly not "life" more abundantly... It is not even a pie in the sky... A pie that is highly likely to never get found and eaten.

It is foolery and deception. It robs people of their lives on an apocalyptic scale. Logan's Run bible insanity...

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@TheCobbler,

Proto-humans were not humans and the proto-sun was not the sun until the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy. It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.

These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time.

But you refuse to accept the best scientific theory as to the creation of the solar system, as you refuse to accept the thousands of years old biblical statement that the earth was created before the central sun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory,

The definition of a true modern day human, who is still in the process of evolution, is yet to be explained.

One of the worst tribulations that the earth has suffered in recent times occurred some 75,000 years ago with the Toba super eruption, which was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth’s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000 year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world’s proto-human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution.

Have you any idea what will happen when Yellowstone blows?

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the skies
The earth was clothed in purples, dark orange, and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from view
Dark clouds rose from the mountain peaks, earth's veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, waves rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found
The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted, valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth--all were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found
And then I saw the winter, a winter so severe
It lasted not a few short months, but many, many, years
And the women who were pregnant, Ah, the children that they bore
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more
Then when the winter lifted and the crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night where rainbows couldn't form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm
A thousand years of twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were blazing through a hazed and orange sky
The sun and moon had turned to blood, but far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter, that heavenly light, which in time would spell man's doom. . . . . The Anointed

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@The Anointed,

so, according to your vast knowledge , science is also wrong by conferring the generic name HOMO to about 25 "proto humans" (is that where Cains wife came from?) wtf is a proto human?
SCience has pretty much acquired convincing evidence that our sun, a class 3 was formed and fully wired and turned on as the nascent planets were circling. Evidence in the form of % ratios of similar stable nuclei and elements in the suns corona and inner planets spectra (and of ourse earths own makeupnwhich can be directly sampled.
Your wanting so badly to validate Genesis that youll try anything, even lie to try to convince us.

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@The Anointed,

yellowstone has erupted several times from the pliocene (and even earlir), theres no evidence that a severe bottleneck will occur hould it happen. Ash falls and spheroids barely made it to th continents shorelines.
As far as the Mt Toba ruption (You posted some gibberish that had nothing to do with the actual volcano) there was no widespread evidence of a "bottleneck" involving hominin species in farther reaches of the earth (Lik Africa, or even mid Europe). life was kicking along and no evidence of a population decline was seen farther away from the indonesian archipelago.

Sometimes popular presses want so badly to post some really hotnews that they will buy into crummy "Hypotheses" without good underpinning. Science is a bit more careful these days, ven modern reports of hominin discoveries, you will often see, actually go back to torage cabinet revisits from 50 yar old fossil finds.

mt toba has been a topic of discussion and evidence criticism since the hypothesis was first presented in the early 90's at an AGU conference

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@farmerman,

Heres a bit or A piece about ho the Toba Catastrophe hypothesi was falsified . Kinda neat that science is its best "housecleaner" , w dont need no fuckin help from the pnut galleries and Creation Cretins.

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4.7. A falsified Toba catastrophe hypothesis
Since the publication of Ambrose (1998), the Toba supereruption and its proposed 6-year-long volcanic winter continues to be cited repeatedly, particularly in introductory paragraphs, as the natural catastrophe that brought humanity to the brink of extinction (human populations reduced to 10,000 individuals). Recent studies have clearly shown that volcanic winter conditions never occurred in East Africa after the eruption (Lane et al., 2013a ; Jackson et al., 2015), and we have shown that there was a very limited vegetation perturbation in the Southern Rift Valley of East Africa after the eruption. Further, we demonstrated the overestimation of SO2 injections in Toba supereruption climate model simulations by one or two orders of magnitude. This overestimation includes the early models of Rampino and Self (1992) that helped to build the volcanic winter model proposed in Ambrose (1998). The hypothesis that Toba triggered the 1000-year GS-20 cold period is also unlikely to be correct given that rapid cooling in the NH actually started a few hundred years before the Toba eruption, not to mention the fact that modeling by Robock et al. (2009) using a 900× Pinatubo SO2 injection failed to initiate NH glaciation.
Numerous genetic analyses have not detected a bottleneck that coincides with the Toba eruption. In fact, if the source population for the OOA expansion suffered a severe bottleneck, there should be a poorer linear fit to the decline of heterozygosity with distance from Africa (Henn et al., 2012). With the advancement of whole genome sequencing, the once elusive 100–50 ka Late Pleistocene human genetic bottleneck is now converging on ∼50 ka (Lippold et al., 2014; Karmin et al., 2015 ; Malaspinas et al., 2016) and is being attributed to an OOA founder effect bottleneck (Mallick et al., 2016) instead of a population reduction bottleneck. Studies focusing on reconstructing population histories are identifying a possible population reducing bottleneck between ∼150 and ∼130 ka (Li and Durbin, 2011 ; Kidd et al., 2012), which coincides with the penultimate ice ace during MIS 6. However, the peak in Ne at ∼150 ka could have also arisen from increased genetic diversity due to population structure involving separation and admixture (Li and Durbin, 2011), which is reasonable to expect during a cooler and drier MIS 6 climate in Africa. The hypothesis that human populations were reduced to 10,000 individuals after the Toba eruption is currently unsupported, as AMH populations were always relatively low, started to decline around 150 ka, and continued to decrease until ∼30 ka (see Discussion above). As paleoenvironmental, archaeological, and genetic research continues to accumulate, it is becoming increasingly hard to find evidence in favor of the Toba catastrophe hypothesis

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@The Anointed,

are you a papr back writer? Post catastrophic perturbations are a serious matter to paleoclimatologists and anthropologists and paleontologists. After the K/N vent caused by the chixclub bolide, a REAL perturbation was seen that lasted about 10K years. Palynology sampling of the post Hell Creek (ALL OVER THE WORLD), showed that a gymnosperm spike occured, meaning that angiosperms were almot all iped out qorldwide. this included leafy trees, flowers, and grasses. Angiosperms need specific contact from pollen into the pistil and since there was a nuke winter, angiosperms motly didnt bloom (there were pockets of angiosperms that helped re "seed" the planet with C3 and C4 plants in the next 10 K years. But the direct fertilization by gymnosperm spores was accomplished in the dead of the winter and ferns nd conifers continued.THIS is clearly in the fossil record as are the dates. An example of a TRUE bottleneck. this event (chixclub) was well founded in vience well before geologists actually found the smoking gun crater off the Yucatan.

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@farmerman,

I have neither the time or the inclination to attempt to decipher that error ridden tripe old mate. You have to get someone to teach you how to use that spell check.

Could an eruption such as Yellowstone’s ‘Super volcano,’ be more of a blessing, than a curse, could a protective shield around the earth to protect us from increased heavenly radiation for a period of time, be established, to give us time to prepare for the ultimate end of all physical life forms that remain on this planet, and if so how?

The huge column of molten rock that feeds Yellowstone's "super volcano" dives deeper and fills a magma chamber 20 percent bigger than previous estimates, scientists say. The finding, based on the most detailed model yet of the region's geologic plumbing, suggests that Yellowstone's magma chamber contains even more fuel for a future "super eruption" than anyone had suspected.

The model shows that a 45-mile-wide (72-kilometer-wide) plume of hot, molten rock rises to feed the super volcano from at least 410 miles (660 kilometers) beneath Earth's surface. The deepest part of the plume actually sits beneath the town of Wisdom, Montana, about 150 miles (241 kilometers) from Yellowstone National Park, a steady flow of hot rock in Earth's upper mantle causes the plume to drift to the southeast, where it fills a magma chamber that sits just 3.7 to 10 miles (5.9 to 16 kilometers) beneath Yellowstone.

Other new data show that Yellowstone's magma chamber extends 13 miles (21 kilometers) farther to the northeast than previously thought. Scientists had already known that Yellowstone is a volcanic hot spot, and that within the past two million years, the region has seen three mammoth eruptions at intervals of about 600,000 years, and it is 640,000 years since it’s last eruption. Such events it is said, can produce at least 77 cubic miles (360 cubic kilometers) of basalt: enough to bury Washington, D.C., under nearly 7,200 feet (2,200 meters) of solidified lava.

The ground beneath Yellowstone is said to be 74cm higher today than it was in 1923, which indicates a massive swelling beneath the Park. Scientists believe that the reservoir of Magma is filling at an alarming rate and as that volcano erupts with an average cycle of 600,000 years and the last eruption was more than 640,000 years ago we are overdue for annihilation.

Forget about the death total within the immediate period of the explosive eruption, but just imagine what happens to our communication and ground and air transport systems, fuel supplies, power grids, atomic power stations spewing out radiation into the atmosphere, etc, etc.

What did Jesus say concerning that day? "Pray that your flight be not in winter, (The nuclear/volcanic winter) and woe unto the women who are pregnant in those days, perhaps the evolutionary son of man, came from mutants that are to be born in those days.

Zechariah 14: 6; And it shall come to pass in that day, (The Lord’s Day of one thousand years) that the light shall not be clear or dark: and it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that evening time it shall be light. On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold frosty darkness. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the
Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter. The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

Could the Great prophesied war in the Middle East be the trigger to set off the volcano beneath Yellowstone, bringing in a thousand- year period of twilight in which rainbows can't form in our atmosphere? And when, according to Isaiah 65: 20, "If one were to die during that period at the age of 100, they would be but a child.

In that day says Isaiah, all people will live out their full life span. A hundred-years old person will be considered to be but a child etc.

Revelation 20: 7-9: It is after the thousand years rule of Christ has ended (How long after? Nobody knows.) that the last trumpet will sound and the fire from heaven descends and incinerates the surface of this planet as prophesied by Zephaniah.

To be continued.

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I have neither the time or the inclination to attempt to decipher that error ridden tripe old mate.

So you don't want to discuss, but just preach.

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@The Anointed,

Continued from my previous post.

This is from a documentary on Yellowstone where scientists in the field of volcanic activity speak of that particular hot spot.

The volume of Yellowstone’s magmatic system is about twenty to twenty thousand cubic kilometres. It is about eighty kilometres long, forty kilometres wide, and eight kilometres deep. In other words, the magma chamber is over three times the size of New York City. Steve Parks of the university of Bristol, believes that if a Super eruption occurred tomorrow, the consequences would be catastrophic. An area the size of a continent would be utterly devastated and the planet would suffer severe effects for years after.

Looking at the recent eruptive history of Yellowstone said Bill Mcguire, there’s been minor eruptions every twenty to thirty thousand years, but nothing’s been seen for some seventy thousand years, which suggests that something might be overdue. He reckons that another Super eruption somewhere on the earth is an absolute certainty, whether it will be at Yellowstone is still questionable, but there is a reasonable chance there will be. Super eruptions have occurred throughout earth’s history and they aint going to stop now.

A new cycle of Super eruptions began over two million years ago when the hot spot arrived under Yellowstone. Since then there have been two more Super eruptions at Yellowstone. One point 3 million years ago and the other six hundred and forty thousand years ago. Disturbingly, these eruptions appear to be in a cycle of between six to seven hundred thousand years and the last one was six hundred and forty thousand years ago.

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: We could have an eruption next year, or we may have to wait many thousands of years to come. Now I would not be surprised if there were another eruption in my life time, but I would also not be surprised if there were not.

Professor Bill Mcguire was born in 1954 and is Professor of Geohazards at University College London and is Britain’s leading volcanologists. He has a PhD in Geology from Liton College of Higher Education, now the University of Bedfordshire in the 1980s, former home of well known TV geologist Iain Stewart. He was then appointed Reader at Cheltham & Gloucester College of Higher Education, which is now the University of Gloucester, and made it into the university sector in the 1990s when he was appointed Professor of Geohazards and Director of the Aon Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre at University College London.

The two-episode documentary that I referred to, reveals the cutting-edge research that informed the drama. Where the experts who monitor the behaviour of the Yellowstone supervolcano, and who face the awesome responsibility of predicting when the next super-eruption might next take place - and advising on what will happen when it does. The programme goes behind the scenes to reveal the work being done to try to understand the sequence of events that could one day culminate in this apocalypse, and to calculate the global fallout that would follow it.

The commentators and those who worked behind the scenes of this documentary, were Allisdair, the voice of the narrator, Bill Mcguire whose qualification have been given, Jake Lowenstern from the Yellowstone Observatory, Steve Sparks of the university of Bristol, Hank Heasler who was/is the Co-ordinator scientist, Yellowstone National Park, Bob Smith a professor from the University of Utah, plus others

But before we go any further, let me just point out, that in 2005, a large object beyond Pluto was observed in the Kuiper belt. There are astronomers today who think that there might be another planet or companion star orbiting the Sun far beyond the orbit of Pluto.

This distant planet/companion star may or may not exist. The hypothesized origin of this hypothetical object is that a celestial object, perhaps a hard-to-detect cool, brown dwarf star (called Nemesis), was captured by the Sun's gravitational field. This planet is hypothesized to exist because of the unexplained clumping of some long-period comet's orbits. The orbits of these far-reaching comets seem to be affected by the gravitational pull of a distant, Sun-orbiting object.

The McNaught comet will probably never be seen again. The current orbit of the McNaught comet is hyperbolic which means the comet will be ejected from the inner Solar System never to return. After it leaves the influence of the planets, it will remain bound to the outermost dome of our Solar System as an Oort Cloud comet from which it originated.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=pictures+of+the+mc+naught+comet%3F&form=ANNNB1&refig=3df99ebdd50a4e2b8b58f3dc3792d669

Notice how a hairy star can be seen to 'STAND OVER' a house as it slowly follows the setting sun below the horizon?

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@The Anointed,

If you subcribe to any scientific understanding, "The past i ky to the present" will let us know how big an eruption of a "Super volcano" uner Yellowstone may be. The last one barely spewed enough ah and tektite like beads to reach Indiana with traces of ashfall.

By saying you cant understand what Ive written mans that youve lost. I pity anyone who only has one way to spell words. We used to have a guy who only rote phonetically an it wouldpiss off those of meaner mental means.
The fact that youve now ignored the entire Toba argument (After first bringing it up) means your quiver is MT about that entire analogy you were shooting for and your Creationist analogies go out the window shoved out by facts and evidence.

Prediction of actual supervolcano eruptions would mor likly focus on two other areas in cascadia, not under Yellowstone. We learn more and more about Yellowstone and find more that its really not an acidic magma , henceNOT that explosive but more effusive.
If yu care not to comment thats ok, Im not writing TO you, but mor ABOUT you to others. I think most people here have got your number

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@farmerman,

ps my entire clip on the Toba falsification was from an edited journal. You consider that tripe?
Ive read your BS about a first primate and I know you copied that from a creationism skree because you guys have failed to recognize that primate first appeared in the late K not the Neogene By the time we reached the Oligocene , there were documented primate fossils of over 40 species and some say , due to characteristics of phalanges, maybe 75.

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@The Anointed,

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Professor Bill Mcguire was born in 1954 and is Professor of Geohazards at University College London and is Britain’s leading volcanologists. He has a PhD in Geology from Liton College of Higher Education, now the University of Bedfordshire in the 1980s, former home of well known TV geologist Iain Stewart.

posting earned advanced degree BS is not an argument tool, thats why I dont post any of mine.

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@farmerman,

The egotistical maniacs of the world, all seem to think they know more than the scientists, who are leaders in their fields of expertise.

Scientist such as Steve Parks of the university of Bristol, who believes that if a Super eruption at Yellowstone occurred tomorrow, the consequences would be catastrophic. An area the size of a continent would be utterly devastated and the planet would suffer severe effects for years after.

Or Professor Bill Mcguire, who was born in 1954 and is Professor of Geohazards at University College London and is Britain’s leading volcanologists, with a PhD in Geology from Liton College of Higher Education, now the University of Bedfordshire in the 1980s, former home of well known TV geologist Iain Stewart. He was then appointed Reader at Cheltham & Gloucester College of Higher Education, which is now the University of Gloucester, and made it into the university sector in the 1990s when he was appointed Professor of Geohazards and Director of the Aon Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre at University College London.

Now I know that your head is too swollen to fit in a bucket, so I would suggest you find a bigger container and fill it with water then dunk your head under water three time and pull it out twice. Then you could rest and sleep the deep sleep you wish for.

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@The Anointed,

He can "believe " anything he wishes, but h isnt availing himself of Ai data and recent moels that say that a new eruption from Yllowston will probably be Rhyolitic and in a hain with the eruption of about 70000 years ago (NOT 640K which was a basaltic eruption) Yllowtone is actually being studied by TOP US GEO- SCIENTISTS, (I am knowldgeable of swveral and know three prsonally). I get out to Laramie sveral times a year (Except 2020 ) and am always treted to a good review and often a grad student seminar.
You seem to be dwelling on the impact of someones degrees, while thats surely a ticket, on whos got th most hands on experience at the site i preferable to a "Bill Nye entertainer"

When Im over t the Flinders Ridge I surely dont look at some vulcanologist who studies the Jurassic offshore as my principal rsource.

Youre problem is that you ont even know how most ciences work

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@farmerman,

The ash from the May 18, 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens, during its 9 hours of eruptive activity, was about 540 million tons of ash that fell over an area of more than 22,000 square miles (57,000 square kilometres).

Of the three super Yellowstone Super eruption, the Island Park Caldera super eruption (2.1 million years ago), was the largest, and produced 2,500 times as much ash as the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption, that would be 1 billion 350 million tons of ash.

In the case of another caldera-forming eruption at Yellowstone, much of the United States, southern Canada, and northern Mexico would experience ashfall, and the global temperature would drop significantly.

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@The Anointed,

We us models to predict best an worst case. It is pretty much assumed that the next Yellowstone eruption woul be a rhyolite one and while it would be devastating (kill zone) toall of Wyoming, 1/2 of Montana,1/3 of Idho and 20% of Utah, it woulnt be nuclear winter destroying life like chixclub.
Measurable ash would stretch to all the western states and eastern states to wisconsin , Illinois . it would be damage in the trillions but highly survivable. we see existing ash deposits from the biggest past eruptions to just about define the mississippi delta region.

Theres really not that much effusive energy available to the Yellowstone/Snake River complexes

I wouldnt be such a nervous nellie about Killer supervolcanoes. Pinatubo was considered one also, If the acidic stromboli style eruptions take off, we wouldnt suffer as much as an acidification eruption from a shield volcano., we are already losing waay more species as from any suprevolcano.
Just lik your fact free story that was passed about regarding Toba. Science relooks at its own data periodically and it results often in some "recalibration" of end times.

I know you want some biblical force to threaten us, why not look at global warming, thats real NOW.

IMHO We really have much more to worry about now with our climate issues. Ive been a geochemist for over 40 years now and Im more pissedat how popular news and even the internet plots stories that induce fear and movies not scientific study

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@farmerman,

Knowing that when Yellowstone's 'SUPER' volcano next erupts it will more than possibly produce an explosion with the power of more than 1000 atomic bombs. And in my honest opinion, I think that you are down playing the awesome consequences the world will experience.

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@The Anointed,

he he he, well lets bet on it, science can take the hit and the house takes 90%.

The last ruption was rhyolitic and theres a magma belt of rhyolite down there, Im going with model evidence that a rhyolitic eruption wont be a Vesusian style. And remember that was only 70K yers not 640K to the last trappe.

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@farmerman,

Between 630 and 640 thousand years ago was the last "SUPER' eruption at Yellowstone. We are not discussing the minor rhyolitic lava flow of 70,000 years ago old mate, are we?

When did the eruptions that we are discussing occur? 2.1 million years ago, the next 1.2 million years ago, and the last big one 640,000 years ago. Three super-eruptions at Yellowstone appear to have occurred on a 600,000-700,000 year cycle.

Go and talk to Frank and his mates they appear to praise up your so-called wonderful knowledge.

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