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Affordable Care Act

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 07:42 am
@Frugal1,
Single payer has worked worldwide since world war two. It uniformly costs about half what America's preobamacare health system costs, gets better healthcare metrics, has better patient satisfaction, and wipes out personal bankruptcies due to healkthcare costs--which are 2/3 of them in the U.S., and people WITH private healthcare are 2/3 of those in THE us. if THAT'S A GATEWAY DRUG, BRING IT ON HERE. You really ought to do your homework, frug. As usual you have no idea what you're talking about.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 07:46 am
@Frugal1,
Obamacare was all about getting health coverage for people who couldn't afford it. It's worked for 20,000,000 people, which is why so many more people signed up for it this year. Healthcare costs had seen out of control increases in the us for decades before Obamacare. The ACA has in fact cut down significantly the rate of increase in costs despite what you claim. Again, do your homework first and stop spouting off nonsense.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 07:52 am
"Pass the bill so we can see what's in it."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2H_7HoWIAAbyWD.jpg
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 07:53 am
@MontereyJack,
No, the ACA is slated for complete repeal & replacement. The ACA was never about improving health care, it's always been about ripping off the American people with un-affordable costs, controlling every aspect of life, and it's the gateway drug to single payer. If the American people had seen what was in it before the democrats shoved it down our throats - We would have shoved it down Pelosi's throat.

NO SINGLE PAYER IN THE USA - NEVER!
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 08:17 am
Congress has a mandate to repeal ObamaCare

Republicans need to reject any effort – real or perceived – to delay the repeal process.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 08:38 am
@Frugal1,
That post is, as usual, complete nonsense except for the first sentence, which is probably true but represents an appalling catastrophe for the country, all of Republican making. TheGOP has now spent going on 25 years of opposing health care reform without coming up itself with any alternatives. They had eight years under Obama to propose something else. Total failure on their part. Everything they've floated so far since Trump will cost more and cover less. As always. Single payer covers more, costs HALF on average what we play, and has demonstrated empirically with half a century of real-world experience that it works and works well, so naturally frugh and his know-nothing ilk oppose it. There're going tobe a lot more Americans dieing as Obamacar gets strangled, and it's going to be ALL The fault of Trump and the GOP, and the country is going to hold them (and you) responsible.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 08:51 am
My health insurance was less expensive and I had much better coverage when I was paying for it out of my own pocket #WithoutHealthcare from the Government. ACA is a fraud!
Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 08:52 am
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 08:53 am
@Frugal1,
That's what people say before they actually look into what their previous coverage covered. And didn't.
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 08:54 am
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 09:04 am
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 09:10 am
@Frugal1,
Here's a little bit of truth about Obamacare
Quote:

Obamacare isn't about politics, it's about human lives
By Issac Bailey

Updated 8:28 PM ET, Fri January 13, 2017
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The story of a woman who died of cancer shows health care shouldn't involve politics, writes Issac Bailey
Repealing Obamacare without a replacement is an injustice, he writes

Issac Bailey has been a journalist in South Carolina for two decades and was most recently the primary columnist for The Sun News in Myrtle Beach. He was a 2014 Harvard University Nieman fellow. Follow him on Twitter: @ijbailey. The views expressed are his own.
(CNN)The closer we inch towards the dismantling of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare, the more I remember a young woman I met around the time that health reform legislation was becoming law. Her name was Devin Pate.
It's why I've long supported the law even more than I support the man it is named after.



Issac Bailey
Devin had two parents who loved her, each of whom worked long hours to pay the usual monthly bills. They fell squarely in the much-discussed white working class that received so much attention during this past election cycle.
Devin worked, too. And she was on scholarship at the College of Charleston in South Carolina until a tumor the size of a Butterball turkey grew inside her -- and returned, along with other tumors, after it was removed and cancerous cells (and some healthy ones) were killed off by the chemicals pumped into her veins to try to make her well.

She suffered from a rare cancer called Gardner syndrome. And no matter how many times she had an upset stomach or saw her hair fall out or how weak she grew, she felt obligated to keep her part-time job even after she was forced to leave school, which meant no more scholarship -- which triggered a quirk in her parents' health care coverage that exposed her family to an ungodly sum of medical bills they couldn't possibly pay.
And for too long during the final months of her life, she had to worry about becoming a financial burden on her mother, not wanting to be the reason they couldn't make ends meet, even though she needed every ounce of the energy she could muster to try to get better.
When the disease was finally too much for her 21-year-old body, and life left her on Thanksgiving weekend two years after we met, her loved ones saying their final goodbyes in a hospital room, Obamacare's initial provisions had only just begun to take hold. So this isn't a tale about how Obamacare saved Devin, because it didn't, and couldn't, even though it surely has saved tens of thousands of Americans.
House Speaker Paul Ryan didn't know Devin. But he did come face-to-face Thursday with a man whose life was saved by Obamacare. If Ryan is serious about making things better, not worse, if his goal is an improved health care system, not just naked partisan political point-scoring, he wouldn't dare repeal that law without a documented replacement that would pass at the same time. To do otherwise would be to literally toy with the lives of thousands of Americans, like the man he faced during that CNN town hall.
The politics are treacherous for health reform in the best of times, with a popular president. These are not those times.
Neither is this about Obama and his legacy or how Obamacare fits into that narrative. I'm frustrated that the Republican Party, which has been claiming for years it would "repeal and replace" the health reform law with something better, seems eager to repeal even though it could pull the rug from under at least 20 million Americans who have health insurance because of it, and tens of millions more who have benefitted in ways they don't even realize. But this is not about that, either.

It's confounding to see the reports of people who rely upon the health care law who voted for Donald Trump and Republicans anyway, either believing the GOP and the new president wouldn't dare pull the rug from under them or that their particular Obamacare plans weren't really Obamacare. That's an interesting piece of data in the debate over health reform but is not the most important thing.
And it is disconcerting that so few people seem to realize that the law, while it got no Republican votes, was built upon a Republican platform from the mid-1990s that was negotiated over the course of several months by a bipartisan six-person committee in the Senate, not a radical liberal takeover of our health care, as it has been falsely described too frequently.

But my memory of Devin is more important than all of that. I can't forget her because, for the life of me, I don't get why it is OK for a family like hers -- in the richest country the world has ever known -- to have to suffer unnecessarily, to have to stress about how best to balance keeping a roof over their heads while praying good health would return to their daughter.
There are a thousand different ways to illustrate injustice. I know that Devin suffered one during the final years of her life for no good reason, and that it happens to too many Americans, and that as long as health reform remains a political football, that injustice will repeat itself the way cancer cells kept multiplying inside Devin until her body could take no more
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 09:12 am
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 09:13 am
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 09:16 am
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Frugal1
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:21 am
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 11:26 am
@Frugal1,
You do realize, don't you, that the Tea Party relied on Alinsky's manual in organizing. One of its main leaders gave out copies to just about everyone he talked to. What you posted doesn't at all resemble the other excerpts from his manual that have been posted. Sounds much more like a bad uberright attempt at disinformation.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 09:35 pm
@Frugal1,
Democrats still know what's in it... we are "educated" unlike republicans who have no clue what Obama Care is because they are fed fake news along with idiots like you.

You can post your misleading images and disgustingly insulting slogans to promote lies...

We the educated public still know what's in it.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/04/obamacare-poll-finds-42-of-americans-unaware-its-law/

Those 42 % are the ones who voted for Trump. While Hillary still won the popular vote by several million.

They are like you Frugal, they are merrily voting their standard of life away to serve wolves and criminals like lemmings gleefully jumping off a cliff...
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jan, 2017 09:41 pm
@Frugal1,
YEA Frugal! Let's make insurance companies REALLY FILTY STINKING RICH!!!! ...at the expense of ailing grandma, hard working mom and dad and the kids who need an education. (cynical)

"Get 'er done" is that hillbilly for, I'm an idiot?
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