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Affordable Care Act

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 04:01 pm
@InfraBlue,
9 million people signed up for Obamacare. I find that as very good. I'm sure more have signed up since February 3.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/03/more-than-9-million-people-signed-up-on-federal-obamacare-exchange-by-close-of-open-enrollment-government-says.html
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 07:34 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

I do not question that ACA is in need of repair or improvement. I just find it to be very convenient of the Democrats to notice the problems when they no longer have either house nor the presidency.

I specified majority in Senate. I'm puzzled by your use of the term "near majority".

It seems like you suggest duplicity or something disingenuous. Anyone honestly assessing the long struggle for some kind of healthcare reform will recall that when the negotiating rubber met the road, there were obstacles. While there were a lot who wanted pure single payer, there were also DINOs like Joe Manchin willing to concede anything to the conservative influences. I think Obama and Pelosi, all things told, deserve to be lauded for getting some kind of healthcare reform to build on - after more than 50 years of dicking around.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 07:37 pm
@snood,
Me too
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ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 07:38 pm
@snood,
Me too
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 08:19 pm
@snood,
No, I'm just "suggesting" that seven years is a long time to suddenly discover that it needing fixing. Or maybe just a long time for anyone to mention it.
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:35 pm
@roger,
This is only the third year that it really went into effect in a big way. 2014 was the first major signup.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:39 pm
@Blickers,
Oh, okay.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:04 pm
@roger,
The bad news for the American people, and that includes republicans who voted for their leaders. 24 million more will be uninsured by 2026.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-13/cbo-report-trumpcare-out-24-million-more-uninsured-2026-premiums-much-20

How many more people will unnecessarily die?
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:09 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The bad news for the American people, and that includes republicans who voted for their leaders. 24 million more will be uninsured by 2026.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-13/cbo-report-trumpcare-out-24-million-more-uninsured-2026-premiums-much-20

How many more people will unnecessarily die?


You do know it didn't come up for a vote, right? You can drop that copy and paste from your repertoire...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:39 pm
@McGentrix,
Okay, you're right of coarse. But Trump upsets me so much, he gets to my inner soul.
Trump is still the president, and none of us knows what other foolish order he's going to give.
He's still a con, liar and misogynist.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:42 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

No, I'm just "suggesting" that seven years is a long time to suddenly discover that it needing fixing. Or maybe just a long time for anyone to mention it.


They didn't just notice it. They've always said it could stand improvement.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 08:56 am
@roger,
The democrats are not just beginning to mention improving the ACA, remember, the democrats crafted it and put it into law. The ACA is something Trump called "complicated".

The best thing they could do for the ACA is cut out extraneous costs lost to "profiteering" and lower the premiums as low as possible so they cover all services including dental.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 09:25 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

Let's not forget the day that Obama Care was passed and millions of Americans got REAL affordable healthcare insurance.



And just as many got less affordable healthcare. The middle working class is now paying more for healthcare and getting less services and less choices for their dollars.

Health insurance premiums have skyrocketing for us - my take home pay has decreased each year as a result. I just finished my taxes for 2016 and we made $8 thousand less than the previous year - my salary did not change, my bonus changed by $500- the only other thing to change was dental insurance by a few pennies and my health care.

Coverage previously - I had co-pays ones that were reasonable $25 regular doctor visit, $50 for urgent care and hospital visit $100. Now I have to pay a high deductible of $6k for family and then once reached 10 percent. There are also limits. Unfortunately for my daughter she had a serious injury and she requires surgery -- for all the initial visits we have met the $6k and looking at the price of surgery I will probably have to fork out more than another $2 thousand at minimum. And she is getting close to her lifetime limit on PT already at age 14! So depending how much more she will need this too will end up coming directly out of our pocket.

How does one pay for all this when they are in middle class? We are cutting out any contribution to 401k for retirement and instead having all this go into a health saver account. This is what happens to middle class they have to give up their retirement after years of working and contributing.

I am glad others are getting insurance and health care they need - I am not heartless and want others to get care that is needed, but the middle class whom these democrats keep saying they are trying to protect -- are actually the ones getting hurt.

I refer to this plan as the Unaffordable care act
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 09:32 am
@Linkat,
As seniors, we are pretty much protected from cost increases in our medical care. You need to write to your government reps to explain what is really happening to middle class families with med bills.
That's the reason I have advocated for UHC.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 09:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
No way I want UHC - I want my choices. I would even pay more to keep my choices. That is what has happened - my choices are limited. Only because I have money going to retirement was I able to make a choice in my child getting her healthcare. I was able to cut that out.

If we get UHC just imagine - I would have no choice. that is just dumb give the government even more power and decision over healthcare?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 08:53 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

No way I want UHC - I want my choices. I would even pay more to keep my choices. That is what has happened - my choices are limited. Only because I have money going to retirement was I able to make a choice in my child getting her healthcare. I was able to cut that out.

If we get UHC just imagine - I would have no choice. that is just dumb give the government even more power and decision over healthcare?



Yeah, look how much seniors hate that damn government Medicare! Wait...
roger
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 08:57 pm
@snood,
You mean that Medicare we paid for out of every paycheck we received since it passed congress? The one we pay a premium for every month of the year? That Medicare?

The Medicare whose contributions were involuntary?
snood
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 09:45 pm
@roger,
Uh, yeah. That's the one! Don't want to shock you, but Medicare is still widely regarded as a positive achievement for our people.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 09:50 pm
@roger,
I don't think our Medicare deduction from our social security was a "choice."
Not complaining, because I truly believe Medicare is a good thing for everybody.
Also, I believe it's a great bargain.
roger
 
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Reply Thu 30 Mar, 2017 09:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
To help clarify, I never so much as suggested it was a "choice", and it is not a part of our social security. I also believe it to be a bargain, by the way.
 

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