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Which Companies have dropped their insurance plans so far?

 
 
Reply Wed 18 Sep, 2013 03:08 pm
Walgreens shifts workers to private health exchanges

A friend of mine said his doctor has been passing around an informal survey. On it he was asked if would be willing to pay $3000 additional a year to keep his current Dr., or would he be ok with being passed to a more medium level Dr.

I know, anecdotal evidence, but one more...

A separate friend, who runs a family owned manufacturing plant sits at 48 employees and has done so since 2009 when this was all introduced. He could easily hire 12-15 more people, but he will not due directly to the govt regulation paperwork involved with going over 50 employees.

So... Obama said you will be able to keep your insurance, keep your doctor and jobs will not be lost... lies a plenty there.
 
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2013 02:38 pm
@McGentrix,
Don't conservatives think this is a good thing? After all, what's the difference between a company giving checks to workers to buy health insurance and, say, the government handing out vouchers to parents to pay for private school? It's all about choice and the power of the marketplace, right? Isn't that the sort of thing that conservatives want?
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2013 03:07 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Walgreens shifts workers to private health exchanges

A friend of mine said his doctor has been passing around an informal survey. On it he was asked if would be willing to pay $3000 additional a year to keep his current Dr., or would he be ok with being passed to a more medium level Dr.

I know, anecdotal evidence, but one more...

A separate friend, who runs a family owned manufacturing plant sits at 48 employees and has done so since 2009 when this was all introduced. He could easily hire 12-15 more people, but he will not due directly to the govt regulation paperwork involved with going over 50 employees.

So... Obama said you will be able to keep your insurance, keep your doctor and jobs will not be lost... lies a plenty there.


Maybe your friend is just a lazy f**k
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 19 Sep, 2013 03:29 pm
Companies may simply be dropping their plans because of rising medical costs.
The cost of medicine has been going up for years.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 04:19 pm
@McGentrix,
It isn't just about the companies that are dropping plans, there are also companies dropping spouses from plans and companies are cutting back on people's hours. There are also the # of business's who have requested waviers from the ACA. This also includes Congress and their little helpers and the unions. There is also the fact that portions of the ACA have been put on hold (employer mandate) while the personal mandate stays in place.

This law is a mess and needs to be redone. It was nice to see the GOP counter offer to healthcare reform.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 08:58 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
It was nice to see the GOP counter offer to healthcare reform.

You forget: Obamacare is the Republican health care plan.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 09:39 pm
@joefromchicago,
Keep telling yourself that. If it makes you feel better you can even believe it if you wish.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 10:16 pm
@McGentrix,
The mot major pain factor in the picture seem to be the huge number of people being reduced to 28 - 29 hour per week on account of it.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 20 Sep, 2013 11:59 pm
Yeah, Baldimo, Joe's totally right. Obamacare has impeccable Republican credentials. It was originally proposed by the Heritage Foundation, the ultraright think tank. It was implemented by Mutt Romney when he was our detested former governor, the one thing he did right, which he subsequently disowned in one of his monumental flipflops, until he sort of owned it again, before he rejected it again. It is, however, working out pretty well in MA. We;ve got the fewest uninsured of any state.

Of course, if the right wing ever dropped its ideological blinders for a nanosecond and looked at the real world, they would find that every other first world country and most second world ones as well has some form of single-payer medical system. EVERY SINGLE ONE, EVERY ONE, costs around HALF as much per capita as our mess, provides better patient satisfaction, produces better public health metrics, has longer life expectancies, and has a better doctor-patient ratio. Something like sixty percent of all personal bankruptcies in the US are due to catastrophic health expensise, and about sixty percent of those are people who HAVE health insurance, whose companies ration what they will pay for and leave them out in the cold (when you talk about rationing health care, it's not Obama that does it--it's the PRIVATE health system we suffer under). That doesn't happen in single-payer countries. This is not airy-fairy fantasy, it's the way the real world has actually run for the past 50 years, or in the case of Germany, the last hundred and fity almost. It's been proven. It works. Just get off the case of Obamacare and let it work.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:02 am
@gungasnake,
that corporations are willing to hurt people to save money has nothing to do with obamacare.

it is one of the reasons healthcare and private corporations need to be separated...
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:08 am
Obama used a Republican plan because Republicans refused to work with him on health care reform. He thought if he used something Republicans had formulated that worked, maybe Republicans would sit down at the table and hammer out something with him to fix the mess the US has created for itself. Of course the Republicans refused to work with him. They were more concerned with making him a one-term president than doing anything to fix the country's problems if Obama was involved with it. Which is largely why Republicans got whomped in 2012(and remember Democrats got 1.4 million more votes in the House than Republicans did. As time goes by and more and more of your core ages and dies, you're just gonna be more and more marginalized unless you realize what the program really is and get with it.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:13 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

The mot major pain factor in the picture seem to be the huge number of people being reduced to 28 - 29 hour per week on account of it.

it is great.....dont make enough to pay fed taxes and yet the fed government will pay on average $7,000 per year out of the $8,500 in care that you consume. now if you insist upon wondering how the fed government will pays its bill (even worse realizing that medical costs go up 2-3 times the inflation rate) you could have some sleepless nights, but who does that?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:32 am
Well, do the math, Hawkeye. The feds pay about half the total healthcare costs in the country now. Our healthcare costs run about 16% (maybe now closer to 18%) pf GDP. Other developed ountries' costs run about 8-10% of their (lower) GDP. If we actually had a rational healthcare system, as the rest of the world does, WHAT THE GOVERNMENT PAYS NOW WOULD PAY FOR JUST ABOUT THE WHOLE THING even if employer-provided health care weren't in the mix. That's fact. The rest of the world has decades of experience proving it works. Drop the ideology. Look at the facts.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:38 am
@MontereyJack,
the government cant pay 40% of its bills now, this is no time to take on huge new obligations with no idea of where the money will come from. other countrues have efficient healthcare delivery systems and ration care to keep the costs down, we have the Edsel of systems and are allergic to rationing. there is no plan, Stan.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:42 am
Not a new obligation. They're already paying it. And tell that to the Tea Party, who are determined to crash the government.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:42 am
Not a new obligation. They're already paying it. And tell that to the Tea Party, who are determined to crash the government.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:50 am
And here's an interesting fact. It's long been known that people who oppose Obamacare include a large number of people who oppose it BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH, NOT BECAUSE IT GOES TOO FAR. And a poll has been done that breaks out those two categories in opposition. And guess what, a large majority of people in the country either support Obamacare or want MUCH MORE of it.

Charles Blow, in the NYT talking about what he calls the "kamikaze" members of Congress, the tea partiers who seem bent on their own destruction as well aws the country's:
Quote:
These are members of Congress from districts where the distrust of the federal government and the distaste for this president are blinding.

Some of them twist poll results to buttress their bitterness. They point to polls showing that most Americans opposed the law as fuel for their fight. What they neglect to reveal is that a sizable portion of those who opposed the law do so because they don’t think it goes far enough, not because it goes too far. A May CNN/ORC poll found that 43 percent of Americans favored the law while 54 percent opposed it. But it also found that of those polled, 16 percent opposed the law because they thought that it wasn’t liberal enough. Put another way, 59 percent of Americans support the law or want it to be more liberal.


Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 12:56 am
@MontereyJack,
they (the TPers) are frighteningly like those muslim extremists they hate so much.

all in for the cause...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 01:19 am
What I really (and honestly) don't understand is that such or similar works quite well all over the world. But why not in the USA?
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 21 Sep, 2013 04:13 pm
@McGentrix,
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