@wmwcjr,
wmwcjr wrote:Hey, oralloy, I didn't know you were such a big MLK fan. (Actually, I'm speaking sarcastically here. I seriously doubt you really are.)
Indeed I am not. I greatly respect his stand on civil rights (and I regard him as my moral and ethical equal because of that stand), but I would not say that I am a "big fan" as if I were some teenager adulating a rock star. I also disagree with his weird economic ideas.
wmwcjr wrote:Re: the history of liberals (some of which is admittedly tragic), why don't you deal with the dishonorable history of your own movement during the period of the late 1940s through the 1970s regarding racial discrimination?
My own movement? Gun rights?
wmwcjr wrote:Conservatives despised MLK when he was alive. I ought to know because I lived through the period!
Well as I said, he did have weird economic ideas. His extremism on economics would hardly endear him to conservatives.
wmwcjr wrote:Leading conservatives such as William Buckley and all the others condemned rulings by the Federal courts against discrimination. They also opposed civil rights legislation and the civil rights movement -- with hardly a criticism of segregationists. You don't believe me? Just go to your local public library and check out past issues of National Review that were published in that time period. I dare you to do it. I seriously doubt you're incapable of learning anything, though, because political conservatism is your religion and your god.
You are right to doubt that I am incapable of learning. I'm the smartest person that you've ever talked to.
I'll take your word for it about Buckley's views. But I am at a loss as to why you are telling me about them.
wmwcjr wrote:It has filled the apparent emptiness in your life.
You perceive emptiness in my life? That's odd.
wmwcjr wrote:Conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh lie about their historical record on civil rights. (Like many of my classmates in high school, he probably chortled when King was assassinated.) He once claimed that Republicans passed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. What he doesn't say is that both parties at that time had a left wing and a right wing -- as opposed to the polarized ideological reality today, which is most unfortunate. Most, if not all, of the Republican Senators who voted for the Civil Rights Act, were liberals and moderates. (Yes, there once were liberal Republicans!) Most of the Democratic Senators who voted against it were conservatives. If any of those liberal and moderate Republicans were still around today, Limbaugh and other conservative Republicans would denounce them as RINOs.
In the early 1960s conservative Republicans began to invite the white Southern conservative "Democrats" to cross over and join their party. So, today there are white Southern Republicans -- the neo-Confederates -- who detest Abraham Lincoln, the founder of their party! Incidentally, the Ku Klux Klan has always been a conservative group. It has always been anti-liberal. All of what I've just said is a matter of undeniable historical fact. No attempt of historical revisionism can stand the test of truth. Of course, there are those who are willingly ignorant or intellectually dishonest.
I am sure that there were conservatives who supported civil rights. They may very well have been a minority within the conservative movement.
I'm not sure what you think any of this this has to do with me.
wmwcjr wrote:I repeat, from the late 1940s through the 1970s, the political conservatives defended segregationists and condemned the civil rights movement. Oralloy, you really should join the John Birch Society, assuming you're not already a member.
Thanks, but I'll pass.
wmwcjr wrote:Oralloy, someday I hope you can get over your intense hatred and bigotry. It really isn't good for your mental health. As someone who gave up on politics a long time ago, I can assure you that there are decent people on both sides of the political divide -- liberal and conservative or, as some would say, Democrats and Republicans. Of course, this is something you're not able or unwilling to see because of your intense bigotry.
Hold on here. I have no bigotry, and you cannot provide any evidence of any such bigotry.
I certainly don't hate anyone who doesn't deserve to be hated.
wmwcjr wrote:A very close friend of mine is a Trump supporter. When I got married more than 30 years ago, I was a Democrat; and my wife was a Republican. That didn't keep us from being in love. Incidentally, I left the Democratic Party years ago; and my wife, who had been tired of all the Southern segregationists who were invited to join her party, finally left the party when Trump was nominated. (Again, for the very last time, I voted for Evan McMullin -- not Hillary Clinton.) We're both independents now.
That's nice. I'm not sure that I see a point though.
wmwcjr wrote:Readers of this forum should realize that oralloy has a personal problem of a mental or moral nature. About five years ago, he posted a graphic postmortem photo of the murder victim -- a young woman whose throat was deeply slashed -- in the Amanda Knox case, which I've known nothing about. I was sickened by the photo when I saw it, but oralloy chortled over it like some kind of ghoul. That is not how a decent person reacts.
Your harping on this is starting to get weird.
I am of course willing to discuss it, but considering that I've already addressed this point the last dozen times that you made it, one would think that you would advance the conversation and respond to my response. Instead you just blindly repeat the same opening statement.
wmwcjr wrote:For the his own sake, oralloy should perhaps pay less attention to politics and, instead, seek counseling from a clergyman or psychiatrist.
Thanks, but I'm fine.
wmwcjr wrote:He's in no position to say that anyone is dishonorable.
Wrong. My defense of innocent people makes me easily the moral and ethical equal of that Martin Luther King guy that you were just talking about. I am very well positioned to condemn dishonor.
wmwcjr wrote:As Trump has so often said: Sad!
There is nothing shameful in defending an innocent person from a lynch mob.