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blatham
 
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Fri 19 May, 2017 11:28 pm
From Kevin Williamson writing at National Review
Quote:
Consuming Journalism 101

I used to be a newspaper editor, a cog in the wheel of the dreaded “mainstream media.” I’ve written for the New York and Washington newspapers, and even — angels and ministers of grace defend us! — Politico. And the checks go both ways: I am a paid-up subscriber to the New York Times. Call me an enemy of the people. Here’s a little secret for you: The news ain’t fake. (Mostly.) For conservatives, hating the media is a reflex, and sometimes a funny one: Speaking on his “Morning Minute,” Sean Hannity once read breathlessly from an Associated Press report on a federal surveillance program, ending with the instinctual harrumph: “The mainstream media won’t tell you about that!” There is no media more mainstream than the Associated Press, which is a nonprofit cooperative owned by its member newspapers, television networks, and radio stations. Its reports appear in practically every daily newspaper in the United States, and big scoops like the one that caught Hannity’s eye routinely lead front pages from sea to shining sea. The Associated Press has bias problems and some notable competency problems, and, like any organization that does any substantive reporting, it makes errors. But it does not, for the most part, traffic in fiction. Neither does the New York Times. Neither does the Washington Post. Neither does the Wall Street Journal...

...We owe it to ourselves to take account of reality. And we owe it to the country, too. It is cheap, it is cowardly, and it is bad citizenship to simply shriek “fake news!” every time reality forces a hard choice upon us. Living in a free, self-governing society means making a great many hard choices, and there is no one to make them but us.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447693/fake-news-media-voters-shared-reality-must-be-acknowledged
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glitterbag
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 12:22 am
Yeah, and so what?
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 03:00 am
@giujohn,
Why did you squeal like a pig when I was just stating the obvious: that the various investigations could end up legally undoing an illegal election? Let's wait and see what they come up with.
hightor
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 03:36 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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If you don't believe it, I'm not going to convince you and I'm not trying to.

There must be a circle of Dante's Hell reserved for politicians who attempt to curry excessive favor with the MSM — or any other press. The big white-toothed smile accompanies the earnest expression of righteous indignation and show of concern for the key constituency of the moment. Always a good performance.

I know what you mean about "liberal bias" in the MSM but I don't believe it prevents anyone of any political stripe from being able to decipher a well-researched story and discriminate between the facts and the tone employed to convey the facts. I know conservatives who listen to NPR and find it useful. It's as if you don a special filtering headset which identifies serial liberal tendencies like hand-wringing, minority-coddling, and new age sensitivity and reduces them to back scatter while the listener extracts the pertinent facts and comes to his own conclusions. As an anti-rightist, I don't find that the presentation of news by the conservative media establishment works in a reciprocal fashion, however. I identify a much heavier use of classic propaganda techniques in a typical Fox News production. The stories seem to be crafted specifically to dull the effect of unwelcome facts and substitute an alternative platform when one isn't really needed.

It reminds me of evangelicals who sent their children to "godless" public schools for years where the kids might have been exposed to concepts like "evolution" — it wasn't a problem. The faith community was able to distinguish between the world as presented by the establishment and the world as they interpreted it. But then that wasn't good enough. They needed to have educational systems that told the story exclusively from their side. Even the natural world is sectarian.
Builder
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 03:39 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
....that the various investigations could end up legally undoing an illegal election?


Still missing your HRC? Aren't you in Europe, olly?

Builder
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 04:17 am
@hightor,
Quote:
They needed to have educational systems that told the story exclusively from their side. Even the natural world is sectarian.


How is the "natural world" sectarian, hightor?

And can you see a time when politics is not about fanfare, soundbytes, and playing to the lowest common denominator?
izzythepush
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 05:27 am
Quote:
Multi-billion dollar deals between the US and Saudi Arabia will be signed on Saturday as US President Donald Trump's first foreign trip begins in Riyadh.

Mr Trump and his wife Melania were greeted in the Saudi capital by King Salman on Saturday morning local time.

The eight-day trip will also take in Israel, the Palestinian territories, Brussels, the Vatican, and Sicily.

The visit comes as Mr Trump faces uproar at home following his sacking of FBI director James Comey.

He has strongly criticised the decision to appoint a special counsel to oversee an inquiry into alleged Russian influence on the US election.

Mr Trump is accompanied on his visit by his daughter Ivanka, an unpaid White House adviser, and her husband Jared Kushner, a key member of the Trump cabinet.

Like British Prime Minister Theresa May and German Chancellor Angela Merkel on their recent visits to Saudi Arabia, Mrs Trump and Ivanka Trump did not wear headscarves.

In January 2015, Mr Trump criticised then-First Lady Michelle Obama for doing the same. In a tweet, Mr Trump said she had "insulted" her hosts.


Such a stupid hypocrite.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39984903
hightor
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 05:36 am
@Builder,
Quote:

How is the "natural world" sectarian, hightor?

When it's viewed through a sectarian lens.
Quote:
And can you see a time when politics is not about fanfare, soundbytes, and playing to the lowest common denominator?

Sometimes politics on the local level works pretty well because people are really knowledgeable about factors influencing their choices — perceived need, sources of funding, identities of backers and opponents, etc. Party politics at a national level combined with modern media methods, advertising (propaganda) techniques, and an ever-coarsening popular culture tends to challenge civil society by exacerbating division in order to win elections.
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hightor
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 05:42 am
@McGentrix,
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Fake news. *yawn*

Fake response. *yawn*
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blatham
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 05:49 am
Quote:
The Conservative Force Behind Speeches Roiling College Campuses
...The group, the Young America’s Foundation, had paid Mr. Spencer’s $2,000 fee, trained the student leader who organized the event and provided literature for distribution. Other than the possibility of outside interference, little had been left to chance.

The speeches are a part of the group’s mission of grooming future conservative leaders — Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Stephen Miller, a White House adviser, are among its alumni — and its long list of donors has included the television game show host Pat Sajak, the novelist Tom Clancy, the billionaire brothers David H. and Charles G. Koch, and the Amway billionaires Richard and Helen Devos, who gave $10 million to endow the Reagan Ranch near Santa Barbara, Calif., which the foundation runs as a preserve. (Their daughter-in-law, Betsy DeVos, the secretary of education, is not a donor, the group says.)

Over the past two years, armed with a $16 million infusion from the estate of an orthodontist in California, Robert Ruhe, the organization has doubled its programming, including campus speeches. In 2016 that meant 111 speakers on 77 campuses. On the group’s website, it boasted of “dispatching” 31 speakers to colleges last month alone...
NYT
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blatham
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 05:56 am
How's the Washington Post doing?

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The Post has said that it was profitable last year — and not through cost-cutting. On the contrary, under the newsroom leadership of Martin Baron, the former editor of The Boston Globe memorably portrayed in the film “Spotlight,” The Post has gone on a hiring spree. It has hired hundreds of reporters and editors and has more than tripled its technology staff.

Last month, according to figures from comScore, The Post had 78.7 million unique users and 811 million digital page views, trailing only CNN and The New York Times among news organizations.
NYT
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 05:56 am
@Builder,
I never like Hilary much. Too artificial, too far from the masses, too rich, too dissimulative, too hawkish. Bernie was my guy. This said, if there was anything illegal in this election, it may deserve overturning the results.

Aren't your in Australia?
oralloy
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 06:01 am
@Olivier5,
There was nothing illegal about the election.
hightor
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 06:01 am
Seems to be a lot of this going around;

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“No other journalist in the world has asked these questions”

In an extraordinary interview with German newspaper Zeit, Nigel Farage called the reporter a “nutcase”, told him he should be on a “comedy show”, and was “away with the fairies”, and terminated the interview after the fourth intervention from his press officer.

Such a reaction came after repeated questioning about the former Ukip leader’s links with Russia. He refused to say why he visited Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in March (apparently it was for “journalistic reasons” and was somehow also “private”), and initially denied meeting the Russian deputy foreign minister Alexander Yakovenko in May 2013, before admitting it when pressed, asking, “so what?”

NS

Quote:
ZEIT ONLINE: You once said you admire Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Farage: In 2013, as a political operator, he was the best in the world. Yes, this is what I said. But I wouldn’t like to live in his country. I didn’t like a lot of things he did. But as a political operator, he is to be admired.

ZEIT ONLINE: One of Russia's foreign policy goals is dividing and weakening the EU. Could it be that in the case of Brexit, you were directly or indirectly used for this Russian goal?

Farage: It is obvious that the EU wants to expand to the east and threatens Russia. That’s completely mad.

ZEIT ONLINE: What you say isn't true. It wasn't the EU that triggered the revolution in Ukraine, but the Ukrainians who wanted better relations with the EU.

Farage: I want the EU to be destroyed and it doesn’t matter if God or the Dalai Lama wants it was well. The EU is an anti-democratic, failing structure. You know, you are the first person who has asked me if Russia supported me. Maybe you have a special German mindset. No other journalist in the world has asked these questions.

ZEIT ONLINE: I just want to understand your role.

Farage: We have no links to Russia.

ZEIT ONLINE: You didn't meet with the Russian Embassy's deputy chief-of-mission in London?

Farage: Nope.

ZEIT ONLINE: Not in 2013, before the Brexit campaign was conceived?

Farage: Ah, hang on. He came to the EP office. Or I met with him in London. So what?

ZEIT ONLINE: Why did you meet with him?

Farage: I think you are a nutcase! You are really a nutcase! Brexit is the best thing to happen: for Russia, for America, for Germany and for democracy. And that's the key point.

Farage's press spokesman again interrupts the interview. He says that the interview should focus more on trade relations between Germany and the UK. Farage nods.

Zeit Online
revelette1
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 06:09 am
Quote:
Trump-Russia probe now includes possible cover-up, Congress is told

WASHINGTON - Investigators into Russian meddling in the U.S. presidential elections are now also probing whether White House officials have engaged in a cover-up, according to members of Congress who were briefed Friday by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

That avenue of investigation was added in recent weeks after assertions by former FBI Director James Comey that President Donald Trump had tried to dissuade him from pressing an investigation into the actions of Trump's first national security adviser, retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, members of Congress said, though it was not clear whom that part of the probe might target.

Even as members of Congress were mulling over the expansion of the case into possible cover-up, and its reclassification from counterintelligence to criminal, the scandal appeared to grow. The Washington Post reported Friday afternoon that federal investigators were looking at a senior White House official as a "significant person of interest." The article did not identify the official, though it noted that the person was "someone close to the president."

A person of interest is someone law enforcement identifies as relevant to an investigation but who has not been charged or arrested.


Tribune Washington Bureau

hightor
 
  5  
Sat 20 May, 2017 06:21 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
There was nothing illegal about the election.

So Trump was just lying about the "3 million illegal votes"? I thought so.
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 06:23 am
@hightor,
The difference is Farage is a nobody who couldn't even get elected to Westminster. Trump holds the most powerful political office in the World.
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blatham
 
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Sat 20 May, 2017 06:27 am
From Rick Perlstein,
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Five myths about Watergate
WP
There's some good history to attend to here. Not least myth #3 because you'll bump into variants of this dodge presently. It is a dodge in that it refuses to acknowledge or even think about differences, thus allowing some favored individual or party to be excuse of any wrong-doing
Quote:
Watergate was politics as usual. Nixon just got caught.
 

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