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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 07:51 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
apparently the town halls are getting to her (among others)

The Republicans need to start setting rules requiring decorum for their town hall meetings, so that when kooks start screaming and disturbing the peace they get dragged out of the meeting and prosecuted.
Debra Law
 
  5  
Tue 16 May, 2017 07:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

But Trump said he divulged intelligence to the Russians because he’s such a great guy.


"Humanitarian of the Year"
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Tue 16 May, 2017 07:58 pm
overall interesting read

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/poll-voters-favor-impeaching-trump-by-7-point-margin.html

in summary

Quote:
Anyhow, we’re only four months into Trump’s tenure. A lot will happen between now and November 2018 — let alone 2020. If AHCA dies in the Senate — and Trump stops making such a strong case for his own impeachment on a near-daily basis — the Republican House majority may be fine. By some estimates, thanks to gerrymandering and the clustering of Democratic voters, the GOP could retain the House even if they receive 7 percent fewer votes than the Democrats do.

But as of this writing, Trump is giving his party little cause for optimism.


lots of links to recent polls of various types

AHCA messaging is going to be loud - from all sides

Quote:
The GOP’s woes are largely attributable to its radically regressive health-care bill. A mere 25 percent of voters support the American Health Care Act (AHCA), while 52 percent oppose it. Even among Republicans, the bill musters only 49 percent support.

The potency of AHCA as a midterm issue was affirmed by a separate Priorities USA poll released Thursday.



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ehBeth
 
  5  
Tue 16 May, 2017 07:59 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

The Republicans need to start setting rules requiring decorum for their town hall meetings, so that when kooks start screaming and disturbing the peace they get dragged out of the meeting and prosecuted.


you want the representatives prosecuted?

how very forward-thinking of you
layman
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:12 pm
Quote:
Comey's revenge is a gun without powder

Three months ago, the then-FBI Director met with President Trump. Following their private conversation, Comey did what he always does –he wrote a memorandum to himself memorializing the conversation. Good lawyers do that routinely.

Now, only after Comey was fired, the memo magically surfaces in an inflammatory New York Times report which alleges that Mr. Trump asked Comey to end the Michael Flynn investigation.

Under the law, Comey is required to immediately inform the Department of Justice of any attempt to obstruct justice by any person, even the President of the United States. Failure to do so would result in criminal charges against Comey. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361) He would also, upon sufficient proof, lose his license to practice law.

There is no evidence Comey ever alerted officials at the Justice Department, as he is duty-bound to do. Surely if he had, that incriminating information would have made its way to the public either by an indictment or, more likely, an investigation that could hardly be kept confidential in the intervening months.

Comey has put himself in a box. If he now accuses the President of obstruction, he places himself in legal jeopardy for failing to promptly and properly report it. If he says it was merely an uncomfortable conversation, he clears the president of wrongdoing and sullies his own image as a guy who attempted to smear the man who fired him.
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ehBeth
 
  4  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:13 pm
a few hours make a difference



http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/trumps-protective-republican-wall-in-congress-cracks.html

May 16, 2017
10:02 pm



Quote:
The Republican Congress has surrounded the Trump administration with a protective wall. The majority party has denied Democratic demands for independent investigations, quashed bills to force President Trump to release his tax returns, and avoided any serious effort at oversight. Hours after the New York Times reported that James Comey has memos describing Donald Trump attempting to steer him away from the Russia investigation, that wall began to crack.


Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight Committee, and heretofore a staunch Trump defender, has subpoenaed all records of Comey’s meetings with the president. Cathy McMorris-Rogers, the fourth-ranking House Republican, endorsed the request, followed within hours by House Speaker Paul Ryan.

Opening up Comey’s trove of evidence is hardly a radical step. But it paves the way for a series of revelations are are extremely likely to depict the president having committed an impeachable offense. The implication of the next step is apparent to many Republicans. Senator John McCain says the charges have “reached Watergate size and scale.” Dana Bash reports that Congressional Republicans are discussing an independent prosecutor or an independent commission – two steps the party has avoided so far.

While Fox News personalities, like ex-journalist Tucker Carlson, filled their time either defending Trump or frantically distracting from the scandal, the network reported it had difficulty rounding up Republican members of Congress to toe the administration line. It is not clear the administration has formulated any line of defense yet. At least some of its staffers, who have created the leakiest administration in history, understand what lies ahead of them. One senior Trump administration official, and campaign veteran, tells the Daily Beast, “I don’t see how Trump isn’t completely fucked.”

Congress is far, far away from the two-thirds majorities necessary to impeach and remove a president of their own party. But the policy of shutting down all oversight or investigation is no longer tenable. And once the apparatus for producing evidence against Trump begins to churn, there is no telling where it will end. A few days ago, impeachment and removal seemed inconceivable. Suddenly, it isn’t.


links at the source
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:13 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
you want the representatives prosecuted?

Don't be silly. I want the belligerent thugs to be prosecuted. They are the ones who are committing crimes.


ehBeth wrote:
how very forward-thinking of you

Prosecuting our lawmakers for no reason would hardly be forward thinking.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:18 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Opening up Comey’s trove of evidence is hardly a radical step. But it paves the way for a series of revelations are are extremely likely to depict the president having committed an impeachable offense. The implication of the next step is apparent to many Republicans. Senator John McCain says the charges have “reached Watergate size and scale.” Dana Bash reports that Congressional Republicans are discussing an independent prosecutor or an independent commission – two steps the party has avoided so far.

What a silly article.

What is this supposedly impeachable offense supposed to be?
Lash
 
  1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:21 pm
@layman,
I know there are people who confuse the meaning of impeachment. My bet with guijohn is that an impeachment trial will end in Trump's removal before March 13, 2018. (March 1, 12, 13?)

If it's any consolation to Trump fans or Democrat-haters, the cacophony against Trump has been, at least in part, the wildest paid feeding frenzy I've seen yet on any president. I'd just have to add that Trump was destined to fail for reasons he couldn't control, and those he could have.





layman
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:25 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

My bet with guijohn is that an impeachment trial will end in Trump's removal before March 13, 2018. (March 1, 12, 13?)

Bad bet.

Just sayin....
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:25 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

What is this supposedly impeachable offense supposed to be?


The million dollar question no lefty can answer.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:29 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
My bet with guijohn is that an impeachment trial will end in Trump's removal before March 13, 2018.

Do you think that Trump has committed some sort of crime?

Or do you think that the Democrats, after placing Bill Clinton above the law after he committed numerous felonies, will somehow get the Republicans to convict Trump of a crime that he is innocent of?

No offense, but your bet strikes me as weird and foolhardy.
ehBeth
 
  4  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:32 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I want the belligerent thugs to be prosecuted.


several of the videos I've seen have seen belligerence and hollering and yelling and threats from republican representatives - along with republican supporters

it's one of the reasons I follow media from all sides - not just Democrats/Republicans. I get to see yahoos from all three inches of the American political scale.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:38 pm
@ehBeth,
If my proposed rules were to be implemented, I would expect the same decorum of Republicans. And I would support the ejection and prosecution of belligerent Republicans.

I would be surprised if any politicians would be belligerent if they were faced with a civil meeting.
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layman
 
  -2  
Tue 16 May, 2017 08:54 pm
Trey Gowdy says that, because he as seen as a political partisan, he is not the right man for the Director's job and that he has removed himself from consideration.

He also says he thinks Comey HAD to make the Clinton prosecution decision himself, because of all kinds of compromising entanglements between Clinton and the DOJ which have never been made public (because classified).

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Blickers
 
  2  
Tue 16 May, 2017 09:13 pm
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:
Do you think that Trump has committed some sort of crime?

No, he's filled his campaign and cabinet with Putin toadies and people fresh off the Kremlin's payroll because he likes to get the gang together, drink vodka and watch Russian soldiers dance.



McGentrix
 
  -2  
Tue 16 May, 2017 09:16 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

No, he's filled his campaign and cabinet with Putin toadies and people fresh off the Kremlin's payroll


You're sounding like C.I. and his continued stream of nonsense. You've never proven this.
Lash
 
  1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 09:17 pm
@layman,
You know, you can still get a piece of that action, cowboy...
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Lash
 
  1  
Tue 16 May, 2017 09:26 pm
@oralloy,
I understand your opinion.

I don't think what Trump has done is more nefarious than other acts by other sitting presidents; however, I have believed since his election that a mix of general ignorance and specific ignorance of government and political processes would render him unable to follow law and accepted presidential procedure.

I think we've arrived at that point and are waiting impatiently for someone to **** or get off the pot.

I think impeachment proceedings will begin.
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Tue 16 May, 2017 09:30 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I thumbed you up, silly. Lash is feeling confident. Smile


I rarely look at the thumbs ever since I broke the record with 117 down after Trump won(I was so proud)...but thanks anyway.

Confidence is good albeit missed placed...sorry to say...you goin' down!
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