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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 09:32 pm
@blatham,
There are protocols for determining the answer to that question in jusicial proceedings. The three required ingredients are (1.) proof that a statement was indeed false and relevent to the issue under consideration; (2) circumstantial or better evidence indicating motive or benefit accruing to the subject making the statement under consideration; 3. circumstantial or better information indicating the speaker knew or had the ready ability to know the real truth.

How these three must stand in terms of individual and relative quality is something I don't know.

In military law only knowledge of the truth and the fact of a wrongful statement is required. The point here is that the absolute truth is ultimately only rarely knowable, and that we have evolved practical methods of making reasonably reliable determinations in practical matters.

I think the basic point for us here is that most statements by posters asserting that this or that politician knowingly lied are BS. Political discorse tends to significantly lower the standards people use for asserting knowledge. Some posters here violate that standard on a routine basis.
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reasoning logic
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 09:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

Without it, we would have no schools, highways and roads, air traffic control, police and fire officers, and many other necessary social services.


Bump

Quote:
schools, highways and roads, air traffic control, police and fire officers, and many other necessary social services.


Are you saying its because of socialism that we have all of this or do you think it may have something to do with antisocial personalities?

What would you think if we added an extra tax to the list you shared to include health care? Could you imagine a society where we would have no need for health insurance or big pharmaceutical?
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 09:52 pm
@blatham,
We will have to wait to see what he does while in office. As far as I am aware the new designee has no issues with the CERCLA and RCRA laws that govern nearly all environmental rules and clean-up standards in the country. He has however contested EPA's very recent (last two years) claims that the Clean Air act empowers them to regulate the CO2 that animals, humans and heat engines exhale and the methane in animal farts; and that the Clean Water Act empowers them to regulate (permanently) any standing water , anywhere - even a transient puddle that appears in a farmers field or on an industrial site. Both involve very obvious stretches beyond the original intent of the laws in question, but the EPA has asserted that it (somehow) has the authority to interpret them as they see fit. Whether the new Administrator and/or Trump amends these provisions or not they will likely see numerous challenges in Federal Disdtrict Courts and eventually the Supreme Court. I have no opinion of the likely odds in the case of either law..

Apart from that, I see no issues involving how things have been done for the past 25 years, excepting only the determination of maximum allowable standards (concentrations) in air, soil and water for some new emerging contaminants. Lately EPA has taken to establishing concentration standards/allowable limits (in some cases parts per trillion) far below the ability of any known technique to measure. That creates rather obvious problems for enforcement and compliance which, in it supreme wisdon, EPA has not yet deigned to address. That may be an issue too.

As an operating entity EPA is wasteful and generally populated with people unskilled in what they do, and not particularly energetic in either working or learning. Bureaucrats to the core.
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tony5732
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 10:03 pm
@glitterbag,
Actually Obama had it at 7.4 when he took office. It rose to 10 percent during the first year in his election and stayed between 10-9 for about two years........ at the time he took office Democrats had all three branches, like conservatives do now
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tony5732
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 10:09 pm
@glitterbag,
Correction, 7.6
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tony5732
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 10:20 pm
@glitterbag,
Also the biggest unemployment rate drops, or when it started being under 7%, was from 2014-2016, when Republicans controlled the house and the senate.
tony5732
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 10:32 pm
@glitterbag,
To further illustrate my point, Obama had 3 branches on his side in 2009 when he took office, lost one branch in 2010 to the Republicans, than in 2014 lost 2 branches to the republicans.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/labor-and-employment/national-employment-monthly-update.aspx

That's what our unemployment rate looked like
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 10:53 pm
@tony5732,
Jobs per month by president.
http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/5e3a808/2147483647/resize/300x%3E/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fa6%2Fc7%2F46fa742246b9a47875304ad049cd%2F151027-prezgraphic3-editorial._Jobs_per_Month_%28Thousands%29_chartbuilder%20%281%29.png

http://www.usnews.com/dims4/USNEWS/5e3a808/2147483647/resize/300x%3E/quality/85/?url=%2Fcmsmedia%2Fa6%2Fc7%2F46fa742246b9a47875304ad049cd%2F151027-prezgraphic3-editorial._Jobs_per_Month_%28Thousands%29_chartbuilder%20%281%29.png
tony5732
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 10:57 pm
@i800gtplay,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ek8mr8zodk4

Please watch.

This is the one that gets under my skin.
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tony5732
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 11:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Well yeah, Bill Clinton was presented during the birth of silicon Valley. But yeah, those were some good years.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 11:05 pm
@tony5732,
They're still good years. Apple has become one of the richest companies in the world. Apple is now constructing their Campus 2 at a cost of $5 billion not one mile from our home. It's shaped like a flying saucer, and no window is flat. They constructed a special plant in Germany to make curved windows to fit their building.
tony5732
 
  0  
Tue 13 Dec, 2016 11:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Pretty impressive stuff. No doubt. I'm just saying we got a nice economic boom from that, as well as job creation before other jobs went obsolete. Bill was not bad though
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RABEL222
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 11:38 pm
@blatham,
He is taking a page out of Bush 43 and Cheney's book. Think weapons of mass destruction.
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RABEL222
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 11:46 pm
@ehBeth,
The kind of rhetoric we see by some on a2k is what wrecked abuzz. Dont leave a2k and give the conservative liars another victory. I have begun to just ignore the insults by just ignoring them and posting to the people who want to have a discussion. Its easy with a mouse.
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RABEL222
 
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Tue 13 Dec, 2016 11:57 pm
@tony5732,
tRump was a liar before he was a politician. Also a thief and a con man. Paid 25 million to make trump university thievery go away.
tony5732
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2016 12:15 am
@RABEL222,
Well, yeah, and Hillary wasn't anything but a politician in her adult life so you wouldn't be able to pass that same judgment onto her. But I still say Trump and Clinton have the same level of integrity.
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blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2016 05:51 am
I noted this review yesterday but hadn't read it yet. Well worthwhile if you want background on Mitch McConnell. The review takes up two books, the first by McConnell, a memoir and the second by Alex MacGillis.
Quote:
In his new memoir McConnell writes poignantly about that first campaign: “Approaching strangers, speaking in front of crowds—it was all extremely hard for me at the time…. At my core, I’m quite shy.” He and an old friend who helped manage the campaign

slogged through the summer, spending our weekends eating fish sandwiches and shaking hands at the Catholic picnics popular throughout the county. During the week…I’d travel up and down Dixie and Preston Highways as the sun went down, going in and out of stores by myself, introducing myself to the employees and customers at local diners and small businesses, and explaining why I was running for county judge. County government was a mess. People were escaping from the jail. Taxes were going up.

He was able to raise enough money, McConnell writes, to put ads for his campaign on radio and television. In November, he defeated the incumbent Democrat by six percentage points, to his great satisfaction.

McConnell’s charming account of that first experience in electoral politics has but one flaw: it isn’t what happened. Alec MacGillis, a fine reporter who has worked at The Washington Post, The New Republic, and ProPublica, fills in some large holes in McConnell’s account in his short but revelatory book, The Cynic: The Political Education of Mitch McConnell. First and most important, the substance of McConnell’s campaign was shaped not by the candidate and his sidekick with whom he ate fish sandwiches, but by two highly experienced (and expensive) campaign consultants. McConnell’s campaign in 1977 cost $355,000, a level of spending without precedent in Jefferson County. His success raising money allowed McConnell to hire Robert Goodman, an artful producer of campaign commercials for television, and Tully Plesser, a prominent pollster and strategist.

...Was he serious? Well, no. McConnell said in an interview years later that these recommendations were political posturing, “playing for headlines” to distract voters from Watergate.


He's a career politician who's been around DC forever (like Hillary, for example, or Paul Ryan). Lots more you ought to know but here's one tidbit of many I was not aware of.

Quote:
[In 1984]He traded up for a fancier, and more expensive, political consultant and pollster, this time hiring Roger Ailes,
swamp creatures r us


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blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2016 05:59 am
Re Russian hacking, here's the lead graph from a NYT piece in JULY
Quote:
American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, according to federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence.

But intelligence officials have cautioned that they are uncertain whether the electronic break-in at the committee’s computer systems was intended as fairly routine cyberespionage — of the kind the United States also conducts around the world — or as part of an effort to manipulate the 2016 presidential election.
link

As we know, the hesitancy noted in that last graph is no longer the case.

Mind you though, if Trump says nobody knows if Russia did any hacking, then we ought to believe he actually thinks that because he's an unusually honest fellow who attends so many intel briefings that he's a world expert on these matters. Am I right or am I right.
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blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2016 06:13 am
This is why you want the CEO from one of the largest corporations within the most powerful and wealthy industries the world has ever known.
Quote:
Struggling to keep Iraq from splintering, American diplomats pushed for a law in 2011 to share the country’s oil wealth among its fractious regions.

Then Exxon Mobil showed up.

Under its chief executive, Rex W. Tillerson, the giant oil company sidestepped Baghdad and Washington, signing a deal directly with the Kurdish administration in the country’s north. The move undermined Iraq’s central government, strengthened Kurdish independence ambitions and contravened the stated goals of the United States.

Mr. Tillerson’s willingness to cut a deal regardless of the political consequences speaks volumes about Exxon Mobil’s influence. In the Iraq case, Mr. Tillerson and his company outmaneuvered the State Department, which he has now been nominated by President-elect Donald J. Trump to lead.

“They are very powerful in the region, and they couldn’t care less about what the State Department wants to do,” Jean-François Seznec, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council, a research group in Washington, said of Exxon Mobil’s pursuits in the Middle East.
Also of note, he owns more than $20 million in Exxon stocks
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blatham
 
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Wed 14 Dec, 2016 06:19 am
Here's one to watch.
Quote:
Big banks are fighting tens of billions of dollars of potential legal costs linked to at least a dozen pending lawsuits arising from the financial crisis. Now they want the Supreme Court to weigh in, arguing that regulators took too long to file their claims.

A handful of banks, including Wells Fargo, Credit Suisse and Deutsche Bank, have asked the Supreme Court to review a lower court decision that said the regulators filed their claims on time despite a Depression-era securities law that gave them only a three-year window.

The Justice Department is pushing back. In a brief submitted last week, it says the banks’ argument lacks merit and asked the court not to take up the case.


Then, imagine how this would play under a Trump Justice Department and with a Trump appointee to the SC. Obviously, the little guy who got buggered big league by these amoral greedy creatures will be the chief concern. I mean, no question about that.
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