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Secretary Clinton's own actions destroyed her as a viable candidate for the 2016 election.

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@tony5732,

You are avoiding the questions related to discerning differences in how much or how often people lie. You suggest that a judge, once armed with facts/evidence can determine a falsehood. Of course. I presume then that you suppose he can determine that criminal x lies far more than criminal y. Would that be so?

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@tony5732,

We have come to believe and understand that most, if not all, politicians lie.
However, we must decide what kind of lies are harmful to our country vs "white lies" that doesn't harm anybody but themselves.
For example, is Trump's lies about his net worth worse than Hillary's lies about Benghazi?
So far, what I have observed is that Trump's win has been good for the stock market. If that holds true throughout his presidency, I will vote for him to serve a second term.
It would mean that our economy is doing well for all Americans.

In 2015, the unemployment rate was below 6%, and it's been running below 5% this year. That's good news.

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3

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@cicerone imposter,

That was an awesome moment of clarity for you, we hope to see more of this from you.

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@blatham,

You presume wrong. I am saying he cannot assume anything until he has facts and evidence.

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@cicerone imposter,

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I have observed is that Trump's win has been good for the stock market. If that holds true throughout his presidency, I will vote for him to serve a second term.
It would mean that our economy is doing well for all Americans.

Really?

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It would mean that our economy is doing well for all Americans.

All Americans or do you mean you and a few others?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Newton#Slave_trading
If Manesty slavery operations stocks were doing well would you also consider that to be good for all who were interested?

John Newton returned in 1748 to Liverpool, England, a major port for the Triangle Trade. Partly due to the influence of his father’s friend Joseph Manesty, he obtained a position as first mate aboard the slave ship Brownlow, bound for the West Indies via the coast of Guinea.
While in west Africa (1748–49), Newton acknowledged the inadequacy of his spiritual life. He became ill with a fever and professed his full belief in Christ, asking God to take control of his destiny. He later said that this was the first time he felt totally at peace with God.[citation needed]
Newton did not however immediately renounce working in the slave trade. After his return to England in 1750, he made three voyages as captain of the slave ships Duke of Argyle (1750) and African (1752–53 and 1753–54). After suffering a severe stroke in 1754, he gave up seafaring and slave-trading activities, but continued to invest in Manesty’s slaving operations.[11]

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@tony5732,

Of course. Now, is it the case that some people lie more than others?

Or, is it your life experience that some have lied to you more than others?

How did you discern that difference?

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

A very prudent move

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Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing it might vanish under Trump
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Why bother...they made most if it up.

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Christine Todd Whitman is arguably the most prominent figure ever to lead the Environmental Protection Agency under a Republican president, and she has critical words for Donald Trump’s potentially disastrous pick Scott Pruitt.

“I don’t recall ever having seen an appointment of someone who is so disdainful of the agency and the science behind what the agency does,” Whitman told Grist. The former governor of New Jersey led the EPA under George W. Bush from 2001 to 2003.

but what the hell would she know about it

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

We have come to believe and understand that most, if not all, politicians lie.
However, we must decide what kind of lies are harmful to our country vs "white lies" that doesn't harm anybody but themselves.
For example, is Trump's lies about his net worth worse than Hillary's lies about Benghazi?
So far, what I have observed is that Trump's win has been good for the stock market. If that holds true throughout his presidency, I will vote for him to serve a second term.
It would mean that our economy is doing well for all Americans.

In 2015, the unemployment rate was below 6%, and it's been running below 5% this year. That's good news.

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3

So...what you're saying, for the sake of your retirement fund, all your high falutin liberal ideals mean nothing...you'll prostitute your ideals for that filthy lucre...NICE!

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@reasoning logic,

You need to change your moniker, because you have no reason or logic.

When our economy is doing well, it means all Americans are doing well. It means employment is high, and unemployment is low.

Most professional economists agree that a unemployment rate below 5% is almost full employment.

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U.S. payrolls rise solidly; jobless rate at 9-year low · 9d
As NPR's Marilyn Geewax notes, 4.6 percent unemployment is what most economists consider "full employment ... to from 9.5% to 9.3%, lowest since April 2008. The November figure was listed as 3.0 percent; down 0.9 per cent from the October …

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@cicerone imposter,

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Most professional economists agree that a unemployment rate below 5% is almost full employment.

Even when people quit looking for work?

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@cicerone imposter,

No trumps lies are just as bad as Hillary's lies, and both were self serving. As far as economics go I have a feeling it WILL hold true throughout the presidency. The stock market is improving because companies AND investors both know companies will flourish with less government regulation holding them back. When companies flourish, jobs are created.

If Trump doesn't do better than Obama on national deficit, unemployment rate, and what our Stock market looks like than I won't vote him a second term.

So far so good though. Four years to see.

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@blatham,

Yes some lie more than others, but without hard facts it's impossible to discern without ASSuming who lies more and about what. So until lies are proven, I can't assume they are lies.

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@cicerone imposter,

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When our economy is doing well, it means all Americans are doing well.

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@Frugal1,

Do you ever feel alone?

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@reasoning logic,

It's not wall street; it's that more people are working and making money.
Our government is a necessity. Without it, we would have no schools, highways and roads, air traffic control, police and fire officers, and many other necessary social services.

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@tony5732,

You do know that since Obama has been in office the unemployment dropped from hovering around 10% to 4 point something? What do you think Trumps going to do, lower it to -5 %?

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@cicerone imposter,

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Without it, we would have no schools, highways and roads, air traffic control, police and fire officers, and many other necessary social services.

Are you saying it is socialism? schools, highways and roads, air traffic control, police and fire officers, and many other necessary social services.

What would you think if we added an extra tax to the list you shared to include health care? Could you imagine a society where we would have no need for health insurance or big pharmaceutical?

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@giujohn,

Ok so your 2 premises are - 1. Hilary is definitely a liar. 2. We should only call liars out if they are public servants.

On point 1 - not saying you're wrong, but would love to hear about the most clear example and evidence that Hilary is a liar that really gets under your skin. Not hearsay, but something that is an undeniable fact.

On point 2 - I just fundamentally disagree. If someone is found to be lying to the public before they're in office, we should prevent them from taking any office altogether - rather than wait until they're in office to call them out.

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