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On the contrary, I believe this is primarily yet another symptom of the continuing denial and refusal to adapt to reality that (sadly in my view) appears to grip the Democrat Party. No good will come of that for anyone.

The Recounts in WI, MI & PA have ended with a confirmation of Trump's victory and an embarassing rejection of the fatuous justification for the PA recount by a Federal judge.

Systematic hacks of multiple government organizations at the hands of the Russians (and possibly others) occurred six months ago with no announced investigsation by Obama (I'm confident there was indeed an exhaustive investigation - those things aren't announced - but that merely confirms the empty grandstanding behind his announcement of this one.) Hacks of government sources by foreign powers including Russia are indeed a problen, but this is but a minor part of it, despite all the phoney (and very recent) hype.

No connection whatever between the alleged Russian Hacks and the election outcome has been alleged or confirmed. The hacks themselves revealed information from DNC and Clinton e mails that has not been either denied or refuted by the alleged perpetrators, though, if they are innnocent, they could easily do so. Indeed most of the information was already well-known from other sources.

If anything, it was the information itself and the misdeeds by Hillary, the DNC and the media that lay behind it, that harmed public perceptions of them. Their anger at being discovered is not an indicator of innocence. They very foolishly made themselves vulnerable to this stuff at a time when hacks were known to be widespread.

Indeed that was the essential issue behind the furor over Hillary's private, highly insecure, server. That and the DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign were already on the table in the public domain well before the recent leaks of hacked material. The truth here is that we know only what was released by the hackers, and not what was discovered by them- many hacks leave no traces, and their absence proves nothing.

The pretentious demands from Hillary campaign manager, Podesta for special treatment of a "non partisan" group of 10 electors ( 9 Democrats including Nanvy Pelosi's deughter) regarding this issue is truly laughable. Hard to make this **** up.

Overall I believe this tempest will leave the teapot very soon, while the delay of the Democrat party and their media allies in facing facts continues. As Aesop's in story of the boy who cried "wolf" too often, this story will damage its authors more than anyone else. A very sad event.

0bama & his democrats legacy is a divided United States, they built this.

pretty much covers the thread eh

N0, you and George appear to have it backwards. . A quick perusal of the last ten or so pages suggests that about 80% of the acreage on this thread is dedicated to the proposition that Trump, "movement conservatism" and alleged "plutocrats" from business are the embodiment of all that is evil.

yup

that'd be Trump = Anti-Christ

(not my personal view, but how it reads)

Worst yet, most people have a misconception of Trump. He's not the business genius most think he is.

Which is clearly illustrated by The Armageddon Pie Chart



Green -> Anti-Christ
Blue -> Red Whore of Babylon

I note with interest that none of the leftists, although they are crying about Russian influence in the election, cannot seem to be able to define the influence. It should be a relatively easy, if indeed the election was influenced, to state concisely how that influence was manifest.

But then I haven't heard anyone on the lame stream media being able to do it either. Talk about propaganda. By all appearances, pathetically, a desperate last gasp attempt to delegitimize the election.

It's not that freaking difficult guijohn.

1) get damaging information from DNC and John Podesta's internal/personal communications
2) release that information in a way that would damage the Clinton campaign

That's all it takes to influence an election.

Is there some complex flowchart or algorithm you were expecting

Not only that, but it seems to me the effect is almost beside the point. Do we want another nation to be able to get that kind of information willy nilly? It wasn't only Podesta's, it was the DNC and earlier in the year, Pentagon and other important data information was hacked.

It is really troubling Trump ignores intelligence, he doesn't even think it is important to attend intelligence briefings. I am afraid for our country in the coming years with him at the head.

Trump isn't that smart; to ignore US intelligence info proves how ignorant this guy is.
This is the same guy who said he's smarter than all the generals, and Trump never served in the military or been to Syria.
Trump also said, if we have nukes, why can't we use them?

Scary.

It's not a pretty picture. I didn't create these categories and don't suscribe to the definitions myself, but I think your quantification of the relative numbers is about right. The truth, of course is a good deal more complex than it all suggests.

The best any long enduring republic can do is to find internal mechanisms to enable it to zig and zag within tolerable boundaries of excess from left to right and back again without collapsing in the process. Those without built in mechanisms to limit excesses in either direction. and to alter course when needed to correct existing ones, end up in the dust bin of history. There are no permanent "right" answers.

We are accustomed to comparing static, rather Platonic models of governance; communism, socialism, capitalism, each as a supposed invariant thing - and sometimes with a second coordinate added, usually of authoritarian vs libertarian to make it slightly more realistic. The truth is that extant systems are far more complex than even that, as even classical history (Greece & Rome) amply illustrates. The "modern" world continually adds more complexity, but much of it is ephemeral - as a quick read of then current events from a previous century quickly reveals.

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You mean the same intelligence briefings that Obama received that called ISIS the JV team? You mean that level of smart?

You were in that briefing too! LOL

I'm going off of Obama's own words. What are you going off of?

I wasn't privy to the conference, so I'm just talking from a subjective point of view which can be my mistake.

Of course you missed the news conference where Obama called ISIS the JV Team. It has been talked about here before. The only reason you wouldn't know about it is if you purposely chose to ignore the fact that Obama didn't know what he was talking about when it came to ISIS. The same President who told Mitt Romney that the 80's were calling and they wanted their foreign policy back. This election cycle, you guys can't get Russia out of your mouths quick enough. Proving once again that Obama and you guys on the left, didn't know your asses from a hole in the ground, when it comes to fighting against Islamic terrorists.

I believe the imposter is distraught because Trump is smarter & more successful than he ever will be, or maybe it's just penis envy.