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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:17 pm
No comments yet about the huge bomb dropped in Afghanistan less than a day ago?
ossobucotemp
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
I don't know about it, still early in my reading news today (that varies, sometimes I read it early).
I'll be back..
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revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:27 pm
@edgarblythe,
I just read about it on my news feed a second ago. Not sure what to think about it. I just hope there was not any civilian casualties. Surprised the bomb been in Iraq since 2003 and no one has heard about it that I know of.

Quote:
The U.S. military debuted the 21,600-lb. MOAB during a test in Florida shortly before the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. The test was intended to demonstrate the “enormous incentive” Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein had to relinquish power and “spare the world a conflict,” then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said at the time.

The cloud of debris from the ensuing explosion in the 2003 test was visible from more than 20 miles away, according to the Air Force. U.S. and coalition forces invaded Iraq nine days later, and a MOAB was deployed to the region on April 1, 2003, but never used.


CBS News
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:30 pm
@revelette1,
We can hope. It was supposed to be for underground hiding place.
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:35 pm
From The Mirror:

Donald Trump admitted he DIDN’T authorise the strike, admitting in a press conference that he has given the US military "total authorisation."
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:38 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Wikileaks
3 mins ·
Media hype Trump's bomb theatre. But the Pentagon dropped 26,172 bombs during 2016. More than a MOAB every day.
Even if all these bombs averaged 1000lbs that's 71,404lbs a day or almost three MOABs a day.

Yup. A PR stunt in all likelihood. Trump or someone in his camp has decided that he'll be more successful politically if he portrays himself as a tough guy war president. It's a narrative much of the media can be counted on to just forward as dramatic stenography.
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:38 pm
@edgarblythe,
Jesus Christ.
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:39 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Jesus Christ.

ditto
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Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Media hype Trump's bomb theatre. But the Pentagon dropped 26,172 bombs during 2016. More than a MOAB every day.
Even if all these bombs averaged 1000lbs that's 71,404lbs a day or almost three MOABs a day.

Isn't it ironic that Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for the things he was going to do while in office... I wonder if drone strikes were accounted for in those bomb numbers?
Lash
 
  -1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:52 pm
@Baldimo,
Damn straight.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:53 pm
While we are on the subject of military actions:


Quote:

18 Syrian Fighters Allied With U.S. Are Killed in Coalition Airstrike

WASHINGTON — An airstrike by the American-led coalition fighting the Islamic State killed 18 Syrian fighters allied with the United States, the military said on Thursday.

The strike, on Tuesday in Tabqah, Syria, was the third time in a month that American-led airstrikes may have killed civilians or allies, and it comes even as the Pentagon is investigating two previous airstrikes that killed or wounded scores of civilians in a mosque complex in Syria and in a building in the west of Mosul, Iraq.

Tuesday’s strike was requested by coalition allies who were on the ground near Tabqah, the United States Central Command, which oversees combat operations in the Middle East, said in a statement. The fighters had called in the airstrikes and “identified the target location as an ISIS fighting position,” it said, using another name for the Islamic State.

The Central Command statement said that the target location turned out to be a “fighting position” for the Syrian Democratic Forces, who have been fighting the Islamic State alongside the United States.

It was unclear whether the strike came from an American warplane or one from the other coalition partners.

The coalition’s deepest condolences go out to the members of the S.D.F. and their families,” Central Command said in the statement, calling the episode “tragic.” Military officials said the cause is being investigated.

As the American-led military campaigns against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria have intensified in recent months, so, too, have reports of civilian casualties and, now, friendly fire.

Military officials say that is to be expected as Iraqi forces try to retake Mosul in what is seen as the last big urban hurdle to defeating the extremist Sunni militant group in Iraq, and while forces allied with the United States are moving in on the group’s de facto capital of Raqqa, in Syria.

President Trump has indicated that unlike President Barack Obama, who had his White House scrutinize many military operations, he will leave more operational decision-making to the Pentagon and to American commanders in the field.

That move has been welcomed by many in the military, who often expressed frustration at what they saw as a cumbersome decision-making process in Mr. Obama’s White House. But it has raised questions about whether Mr. Trump is exercising sufficient oversight.


NYT

If you click on the link at the source it will take you to a different NYT article which basically answers the question of the chances of getting permission from Trump before dropping the "mother bomb."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:53 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Isn't it ironic that Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for the things he was going to do while in office...
Quote:
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 @ Nobel Prize Committee
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:55 pm
I have never lauded Obama for pursuing the Bush foreign policy. Wrong is wrong, no matter the perp.
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 01:58 pm
Even some supporters of President Obama thought the award was premature and... just wrong.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/13/here-are-the-most-controversial-noble-prize-winners-ever.html
ossobucotemp
 
  1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 02:01 pm
I'm a very anti bomb person, as some here know*, although I nod to some exceptions re WW2 .
I figure ISIS will be more pissed off than ever before and more will join.
I do get the reasoning on this one. Given the nature of humans, I expect things to escalate.

Hey...
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLgYAHHkPF[/youtube]

*my father was commanding officer/colonel in charge of photo for the Bikini bomb tests, which involved the pilot and my father and another colonel who was the photographer filming down into the center of Baker.

ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 02:21 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Sorry, I messed up with the link ---

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camlok
 
  2  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 02:50 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You know that is just BS, Walter.

Obama got it 'cause he wasn't Bush.
camlok
 
  -1  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 02:51 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
I have never lauded Obama for pursuing the Bush foreign policy. Wrong is wrong, no matter the perp.


Germans never lauded Hitler for his death camps.

Sounds awfully lame, doesn't it, Edgar?
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camlok
 
  0  
Thu 13 Apr, 2017 02:57 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
Your data is fake and you have no source.


Evidently, the French M-W has no entry for "hypocrisy" either.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 13 Apr, 2017 02:59 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
There was another such example in the Rick Perlstein piece that hightor linked yesterday where a contemporary said about the Kent State shootings, "Those students who were shot [and killed] bear all the responsibility because they should have listened to the National Guard's orders" (paraphrased).

Kent State was a tragedy because bullets missed and hit innocent students who were merely going to class.

Certainly if the only people who were harmed were those violent protesters who were being fired upon, Kent State would today be regarded as a very good outcome.
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