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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:36 pm
@hightor,
That's interesting. Twitter is zooming back and forth on this.

Since the bombings were announced in advance (people were posting about them about two hours in advance Rolling Eyes ) and equipment was moved out of the way of damage , people aren't all believing that the attack was all that. Fairly obvious 45 needs a war. Will anyone give it to him? Will it be another American invasion?

izzythepush
 
  4  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:38 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Why would Assad gas his people?


Are you really that obtuse? Because the Sunnis have risen up against him, they're not 'his people' either. He's an Alawite. (You might want to look that word up btw.)

McGentrix
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:38 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Ya gotta admit. Hes Obama "light" now. (Of course , except for the pathological lying and narcissism thing)


Except Obama was Bush with smaller balls. Trump is his own guy and there really is very little comparison between Trump and Obama.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:39 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/04/07/522987999/after-u-s-strike-on-syria-the-gloves-come-off-in-moscow

Quote:
The U.S. rationale that it had to respond to a Syrian chemical weapons attack on civilians was only a pretext for a long-planned missile strike, the Kremlin said.

"The real estate billionaire has repeated the deplorable experience of his predecessors," the Russian government's official newspaper, Rossiiskaya Gazeta, said in a commentary Friday. "This isn't the first demonstration of a completely incompetent U.S. approach — similar to a big elephant in a small china shop — to solving the most acute international problems."

blatham
 
  4  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:40 pm
From the incomparable Garry Wills, some essential history
Quote:
Every few years, it seems, conservative religious groups, quiescent or unnoticed, come blazing back onto the national scene, and the secular press reacts like the bad guy in the 1971 western Big Jake who says to John Wayne, “I thought you were dead.” Wayne drily answers, “Not hardly.” Now, in The Evangelicals: The Struggle to Shape America, Frances FitzGerald answers the recurrent question, “Where did these people [mainly right-wing zealots] come from?” She says there is no mystery involved. They were always here. We were just not looking at them. What repeatedly makes us look again is what she is here to tell us.

“Evangelicals” is an elastic term, and FitzGerald intermittently shrinks or stretches it. But she does direct us to the right starting point, to the eighteenth- and nineteenth-century Great Awakenings, major religious events in our early history when the word “evangelicalism” came into wide American use. Evangelical religion is revival religion, that of emotional contagion. It can best be characterized, for taxonomic purposes, by three things: crowds, drama, and cycles.

Crowds

The first Great Awakening, of the 1730s and 1740s, stunned entire regions by the numbers of people who took part. The leading preacher in a cadre of them, George Whitefield—who, with John and Charles Wesley, founded the Methodist movement in England—had followings that overflowed the churches and followed him out to streets, plazas, or the nearby countryside. When Benjamin Franklin went to hear Whitefield preach from the steps of Philadelphia’s City Hall in 1739, he measured with characteristic precision the reach of his voice in different directions, and felt that he had verified reports that 25,000 people could hear him preach in a cleared space.

Before he came from England, Whitefield had already become a “field preacher”; the skeptic David Hume, who listened to one of his sermons in Edinburgh, is said to have told a friend, “He is…the most ingenious preacher I ever heard. It is worth while to go twenty miles to hear him.” Any man who could astonish Hume in Scotland and Franklin in America was a preacher beyond any orbit of expectation. The great Samuel Johnson said of Whitefield, “He would be followed by crowds were he to wear a night-cap in the pulpit, or were he to preach from a tree.”

The crowds were astounding because they were self-assembled, gathered outside the normal parish structures. This was nothing like going to one’s church on Sunday. It was an event. It could happen any day, and run for several days. It was symbolically important for the people to be “going out”—an exodus from the ordinary, including the ordinary religious formalities (ordained ministers, ecclesiastical garb, liturgical ceremony, a reverent hush in the congregation). It was salvation in a hurry, time was running out, too urgent for formal rites. The crowd was important to the whole ethos of the movement. The preacher was credentialed not by church authorities but by the size of his crowd and its responses to him—by the number of souls he saved...
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2017/04/20/where-evangelicals-came-from/
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ehBeth
 
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Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:41 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
while China President is humiliated with his visit totally overshadowed by the freaking novella going on.


there's the real possible downside for the US
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:43 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
I was not criticizing Obama's global military strategy but I think he should have enforced his own "red line" on the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

How confident are you in your thesis that this action would have been more productive than what Obama did. Let's recall that some 1500 tons of chemical weapons were removed from Syria. How confident are you that had Obama launched an attack that those weapons would not have been used subsequently?



I recall Kerry gloating about how 100% of the chemical weapons had been removed. Rice was also heard recently suggesting the same. Maybe if she wasn't trying so hard to break the law snooping into intercepted conversations about birthday parties she could have instead learned about cached chemical weapons.
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layman
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:45 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
similar to a big elephant in a small china shop


Russia got that part right about Trump. He's gunna be doin some major damage to them every time he turns around. He knows it, they know it. They better pack their "china" somewhere else.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:45 pm
@ehBeth,
Many possible downsides. Hate to count the ways.
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:46 pm
PreTrump presidents all made plenty of mistakes over there. Trump by compounding them with his bluster will ensure that the region destabilizes still further, ensuring increased terrorist activities around the globe.
Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:49 pm
@McGentrix,
It's an incredibly self-defeating move at this particular juncture.
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layman
 
  0  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:49 pm
Ya know, the total cost of those tomahawk missiles alone was close to $100 million. Funny that I didn't see any "NATO" warship from England, Germany, France, or anywhere else off the Syrian coast, eh?

They're quick to say "Let's see you and him fight," while sittin in the peanut gallery, aint they?

Cough up some cash, ya leechin bastards.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:52 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Lash wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Sturgis wrote:
I did complain about the drone killings under Obama.

Why? Dead terrorists are good terrorists.

We've killed a lot of women and children. Their sons and brothers are coming for you.


For Oralloy personally, or the grander, much larger American "you"?

If it had been the collective, I'd've said 'us.'
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:52 pm
Meanwhile, Trump the Job Creator, stumbled this month.

The Federal Reserve faces policy complexity as job creation of 98,000 in March is about half of consensus expectations and the unemployment rate falls to 4.5%. Wage growth as expected at 0.2% (month on month).
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 04:01 pm
Quote:
Even as Donald Trump’s proposed infrastructure investment proposal remains, as Matt Yglesias cleverly calls it, mostly “vaporware,” California Democrats led by Governor Jerry Brown just met a tight self-imposed deadline by getting their own $52 billion plan for fixing roads, highways, bridges, and some transit facilities over a two-thirds threshold for revenue increases. And in so doing they may have provided a few lessons for Trump in the “art of the deal.”
Ed Kilgore NYMag
Lash
 
  0  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 04:03 pm
@izzythepush,
Strategic suicide. Who had everything to gain?
layman
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 04:04 pm
@blatham,
Heh, only a full-blown cheese-eater would try to point to Moonbeam Brown and the State of California as paragons of fiscal wisdom and responsibility, eh?

I mean, have you no shame?
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ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 04:06 pm
I'm betwixt and between. Of course I hate sarin, and similar. I do get there may be some connection of Trump's being not all anti Assad (see news articles) and the soon use of it. Or, not, there being another article somewhere about Assad's situation.

Here's an article of interest:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/04/05/obama-was-right-to-abandon-red-line-on-syria-s-chemical-weapons.html
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layman
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 04:18 pm
A full run-down on just how bad that Syrian airbase got fucked up, eh?

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hightor
 
  6  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 04:21 pm
Um...what is this adolescent preoccupation with the size of people's gonads? Are we still in high school?
 

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