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oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:33 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:
My wild guess take on the Syria soap opera so far:

- Putin and Trump are playing us big time.
- The Russian warship now between the US destroyers and the Assad military base boils down to a pseudo escalation to take off some heat from the Trump Russia connection.
- The attack on the Syrian people is partially fault of the rebels and Putin that reacted to the S. Petersburg attack by bombing a rebel depot with Sarin. (No Sarin coming to Russia prompted Puttin discarding Assad)
- I don't buy it yet that Assad would commit Hara-kiri with the war already won.

Good grief. Now I understand why you thought I was using "magical thinking" when I used logic to predict that Trump is the beginning of twenty years of Republican rule.

You actually think the nerve gas attack was carried out by Putin?
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hightor
 
  6  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:34 pm
Anyone else preparing for a positive jump in the CIC's poll numbers?
Fil Albuquerque
 
  2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:35 pm
@Baldimo,
You will have that (minimum universal income) coming whether you like it or not. Tech and AI development in the next decades will ensure it pretty soon. By the way, if you have a job now save money pal.
blatham
 
  6  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:36 pm
Smart points from Paul Walman
Quote:
Think about it this way. Since the Syrian conflict began in 2011, Assad has killed hundreds of thousands of civilians; a year ago, one estimate put the death toll at 470,000. The vast majority of them were killed with bombs and bullets. Trump’s belief up until now was that those deaths, as regrettable as they might be, were not enough to justify U.S. military action against the Syrian government.

But now everything has changed. Why? Because, we’re told, Assad used chemical weapons (not for the first time, but for the first time since Trump became president), and that is a step too far. Furthermore, it was the images of children killed with chemical weapons that supposedly sent Trump over the edge. The New York Times reports: “This time, though, a new American president was seeing the pictures and absorbing the horror.”

Just look at how Trump described it on Wednesday: “When you kill innocent children, innocent babies — babies, little babies,” he said, “that crosses many, many lines, beyond a red line. Many, many lines.” But it’s not as though he just found out that children are dying in Syria.

We get to see those horrifying images precisely because they are less gruesome than what happens when someone is killed by conventional weapons. If a photojournalist takes a photo of a dead child whose limbs have been blown off by a bomb, you won’t ever see it (and neither will Trump). The newspaper won’t run it, and the evening news won’t show it, because editors consider those images too upsetting. But you will see a photo of a child killed by sarin gas, because her body is intact. The spread of those images will then reinforce the idea that these chemical weapons are worse than the conventional weapons that have killed many more in this war.

So, to repeat: Why are chemical weapons worse?...
WP
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:37 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
4) The present apparent dissent within the Trump camp which seems to be pushing Bannon (and Bannonism) out of the limelight and replacing it with Kushner and a more traditional Republican worldview (in appearance, at least) to the foreground. My guess is that it was becoming increasingly evident through polling and other metrics that the course of the administration had to be changed dramatically in order to salvage Trump and electoral hopes in 2018.

The Republicans are on their way to a resounding victory in 2018 and 2020. Bannon isn't being pushed anywhere.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:46 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Smart points from Paul Walman
Paul Walman wrote:
What's so bad about chemical weapons?

How nice. Sad
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layman
 
  0  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:47 pm
@oralloy,
Bannon has been assigned the task of rounding up and eliminating domestic enemies, while Mad Dog and his homeys deal with Iran, Korea, Syria, Russia, et al.
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:51 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Quote:
You will have that (minimum universal income) coming whether you like it or not.

I doubt it will happen here in the US, we are a bit more independent than you EU people. We don't want handout's, we actually want to work.

Quote:
Tech and AI development in the next decades will ensure it pretty soon.

You mean the fast food people here in the US demanding $15 for flipping burgers and will be loosing their jobs to order kiosks?

Quote:
By the way, if you have a job now save money pal.

I already work in the tech field and my job isn't going anywhere anytime soon,until enterprise servers/storage can fix themselves and the networks they connected to, I'm going to be just fine for a long while.

Is your kiosk job going away?
layman
 
  -1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:56 pm
@Baldimo,
I don't need no damn job. Among other sources of reliable income, I have discovered a foolproof way of winning money in Vegas.

Ya go into some casino and just observe, that's all. You watch every table, seeing who the big winners are. Then, when they cash in their chips, you follow them out to the parking lot, lead pipe in hand....
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Lash
 
  1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 02:58 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Lash wrote:
You do know about the competing pipelines running through Syria; whose pipeline (& partnership) Assad prefers...?

Anything that accuses America of wrongdoing over pipelines can safely be disregarded as propaganda.

I wish it was wrong, but I believe that our Deep State runs our war machine for profit. We're the biggest robber barons on earth. Republicans and Democrats are subterfuge.

Anybody, including our own state actors, could've gassed Syrians.
Lash
 
  1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:02 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Anyone else preparing for a positive jump in the CIC's poll numbers?

Most definitely.
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:03 pm
Quote:
C.I.A. Had Evidence of Russian Effort to Help Trump Earlier Than Believed

The C.I.A. told senior lawmakers in classified briefings last summer that it had information indicating that Russia was working to help elect Donald J. Trump president, a finding that did not emerge publicly until after Mr. Trump's victory months later, former government officials say.

The briefings indicate that intelligence officials had evidence of Russia's intentions to help Mr. Trump much earlier in the presidential campaign than previously thought.... The former officials said that in late August — 10 weeks before the election — John O. Brennan, then the C.I.A. director, was so concerned about increasing evidence of Russia's election meddling that he began a series of urgent, individual briefings for eight top members of Congress, some of them on secure phone lines while they were on their summer break.
NYT
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:05 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I wish it was wrong, but I believe that our Deep State runs our war machine for profit. We're the biggest robber barons on earth. Republicans and Democrats are subterfuge.

Anybody, including our own state actors, could've gassed Syrians.

It is wrong. You are buying into anti-American propaganda.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:07 pm
@blatham,
Now that Trump attacked Syria, Russia is not too happy. What now?
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Now that Trump attacked Syria, Russia is not too happy. What now?

As regards Trump/Putin relationship? No change because it is mutually beneficial for there to be no change. You'll want to take Putin's claims and Trump's rhetoric as being for popular consumption only. Neither have any use for a functioning democracy so truthfulness will occur through chance or presumed convenience.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:31 pm
@Sturgis,
Sturgis wrote:

Actually georgeob1, I did complain about the drone killings under Obama. Further, in my view , yes, Assad is a heinous murderer.

As far as solutions, this is much more difficult; however, in the case of Trump, it was clearly done for the purpose (in a typical demented way) to boost his approval ratings; which, is all he truly gives a hang about.


Can I assume you believe that Obama is also a murderer? In fact I'm not yet aware of any deaths that resulted from the missile attacks on the Syrian Airbase, though it will nor surprise me that some occurred.

Obama had rather loudly drawn a 'Red Line' with respect to the use of chemical weapons in the revolution in Syria, clearly threatening armed retaliation in such an event. Trump has merely carried out on that policy.

Your statement above about Trump's motives and intentions is clearly beyond your ability to know or even estimate reliably. Indeed there are ample objective reasons for his actions, acknowledged by many others in our government and and those of other nations, that require none of the psychobabble nonsense you offered.

You are, of course free to believe whatever you want, but this one appears to be your own personal fantasy.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:31 pm
From sane conservative David Frum
Quote:
When the Electoral College elevated Donald Trump to the presidency, it conferred on him the awesome life-and-death powers that attend the office. It was inevitable that President Trump would use those powers sooner or later. Now he has. For the effects on the region, I refer you to the powerful piece by The Atlantic’s Andrew Exum. I’m concerned here with the effects on the U.S. political system. Seven seem most immediately relevant.

Trump’s Words Mean Nothing

If there was any one foreign policy position that Donald Trump stressed above all others, it was opposition to the use of force in Syria. Time has helpfully compiled Trump’s tweets on the subject dating back to 2013. For example:

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO
5:33 PM - 15 Jun 2013

These were not the idle thoughts of a distracted mind. Promises of no war in Syria were central to Donald Trump’s anti-Hillary Clinton messaging. Take, for example, to his interview with Reuters on October 26, 2016.
Much more here at the Atlantic
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:33 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

Why would Assad gas his people? Why would he beckon world intervention?

So if he had no reason to gas his people, think about who did.

This seems a lot like a false flag operation.


I could see some of the whackos on the left spouting this gibberish, didn't think it would come from you though.

How did you come to the conclusion that he had no reason to gas his own people?
McGentrix
 
  0  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:35 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Sturgis wrote:
I did complain about the drone killings under Obama.

Why? Dead terrorists are good terrorists.

We've killed a lot of women and children. Their sons and brothers are coming for you.


For Oralloy personally, or the grander, much larger American "you"?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Fri 7 Apr, 2017 03:35 pm
@McGentrix,
It's called international law and morals.
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