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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 06:28 am
@McGentrix,
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I am having a hard time time following along. Are you saying that the election was rigged or wasn't rigged?

That it WAS rigged, but only so Trump would win? That it was rigged and Trump won anyways?

What is your actual position on this?
I think it is very unlikely there was significant fraud (if any) re votes falsely/illegally added or subtracted. No credible evidence of either has shown up at this point. The problem is something else - the claims made that voting is rigged. This not only destroys faith in the system but encourages citizens to react in particular and passionate ways based on falsehoods. It makes Americans stupider and angrier or more hopeless. I thought Stein's actions unfathomable and her actions silly. But at this point, I'm in favor of a recount to clarify that the system isn't corrupt in the manner Trump and those around him (or as some nutcases on the left) have been claiming (noting these are not even remotely equivalent).

Perhaps the reason you are having trouble following the "logic" in inconsistent and incoherent claims made about rigging is because I was quoting Trump's changing positions and claims/suggestions and "logic". What he's been doing is completely unethical and irresponsible. He's lying on purpose for bad motives.

layman
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 06:45 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I thought Stein's actions unfathomable and her actions silly. But at this point, I'm in favor of a recount to clarify that the system isn't corrupt in the manner Trump and those around him (or as some nutcases on the left) have been claiming (noting these are not even remotely equivalent).


A "recount" would in no way resolve questions about (or even address) the type of irregularities you want to (dis)prove. Recounting of votes is irrelevant in those respects.

Put another way, your "rationale" for favoring a "recount" is woefully inadequate.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 06:46 am
@McGentrix,
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Both are deeply invested in christian educational goals. Both are influential political activists in the GOP.

So?

I don't think they would be the first or the last. Are you saying that these qualifications would make them some how unable to perform their jobs?

Would Joe the Plumber be unable to perform his job if appointed as secretary of HUD? The point is that Trump is making choices not based on optimum criteria for such an appointment. He's put political value first. It isn't about the quality or viability of a good education system and well-educated children. It's about consolidating political power, his own and that of the people around him. First instance of such a thing? No, of course not, though it is unusually blatant here. But that's the irrelevancy. That banks have been robbed before doesn't mean you chip in for the bank robber's get-away taxi. He's not draining the swamp, he's making it deeper.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 06:48 am
And I ought to add, as a side matter, that I definitely wish to see a thorough investigation of Russian (or other) attempts to influence this election through hacking and production of propaganda for broad distribution.
layman
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 06:52 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

And I ought to add, as a side matter, that I definitely wish to see a thorough investigation of Russian (or other) attempts to influence this election through hacking and production of propaganda for broad distribution.


As far as the wikileaks thing is concerned, you have it backwards. Those leaks did not "produce" any propaganda. They merely exposed, for public consumption, the propaganda being disseminated by the Democratic party for what it was. The propaganda was "produced" by Clinton, Podesta, et al.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 07:09 am
Today's winner in the coveted "Har De Har Har" category
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Republicans are deeply concerned about ethics in government and the vast potential for corruption stemming from conflicts of interest. We know this because of the acute worries they expressed over how these issues could have cast a shadow over a Hillary Clinton presidency.

“If Hillary Clinton wins this election and they don’t shut down the Clinton Foundation and come clean with all of its past activities, then there’s no telling the kind of corruption that you might see out of the Clinton White House,” Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) told conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt.

Presumably Cotton will take the lead in advising Donald Trump to “shut down” his business activities and “come clean” on what came before. Surely Cotton wants to be consistent.

The same must be true of Reince Priebus, the Republican National Committee chair whom Trump tapped as his chief of staff. “When that 3 a.m. phone call comes, Americans deserve to have a president on the line who is not compromised by foreign donations,” Priebus said earnestly in a statement on Aug. 18.

Priebus, you would think, believes this even more strongly about a president whose enterprises might reap direct profits for himself or members of his family from foreign businesses or governments. Priebus must thus be hard at work right now on a plan for Trump to sell off his assets.
http://wapo.st/2fEh8as
It isn't just the evident dangers of the Trump administration moving towards a real kleptocracy, which is surely bad enough. It is, once again, the rejection of traditional national norms that have functioned to curtail corruption. And it is not just Trump to point to here but all those who are complicit in destroying these traditions and values.

This isn't normal. And it's very dangerous.
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blatham
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2016 08:39 am
And what about the NRA now? Note the bolded portion:
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LaPierre pledged to go after the “tyrannical erosion of gun rights” in the relatively small number of states with very strict gun control laws, such as New York and California. He assailed their “deceitful web of gun bans, ammo bans, magazine bans, exorbitant fees, and taxes and registration schemes”.

The NRA’s priority is a federal law that would make gun-carrying permits issued in one state valid across the country, which would make carrying a concealed firearm across the country as easy as driving your car across state lines.

This federal national reciprocity law, which Trump has already endorsed, would essentially gut existing local restrictions on carrying guns in public, and would mean that tourists from other states could soon carry their guns around New York City
http://bit.ly/2fExmjO
To put this another way, LaPierre wants to deny local constituencies of citizens the right and opportunity to establish their own laws on weapons within their own communities. He wishes a statist regime across the US. Trump will almost certainly acquiesce given his political need to keep this interest group appeased.
layman
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 08:47 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

To put this another way, LaPierre wants to deny local constituencies of citizens the right and opportunity to establish their own laws...


Coming from a big-government leftist like you, who thinks the "commerce clause" allows and justifies massive federal intrusion into local concerns, this "objection" just doesn't quite ring true, know what I'm sayin? Why the hell are Clinton and Bernie touting "nation-wide" gun control (or abortion, you name it, whatever) laws, I wonder?
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revelette2
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2016 09:05 am
@blatham,
There is a lawsuit which could shatter all federal gun laws, if the state wins that lawsuit, that would mean LA Pierre would not be able make the federal national reciprocity law.

This Lawsuit Could Shatter ALL Federal Gun Control Laws

Who knows how the lawsuit will end up now that Pierre wants to make a federal gun law. Gun advocates won't know which side to take.
giujohn
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 09:56 am
@revelette2,
What you fail to understand is if this case prevails we won't need a national reciprocity law for gun permits... Because you won't need a gun permit.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 10:26 am
@revelette2,
Thanks rev... I'll read that a bit later

For everyone, I just listened to a really interesting discussion between NYT's Maggie Haberman and Politico's Glenn Thrush, both long time NY based reporters. "How New York tabloids shaped Trump". I highly recommend this for a great inside peak at reporting in New York along with lots on Trump (not all bad). It's a bit over one hour but worth it. I learned lots http://bit.ly/2gyCKcO
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 10:31 am
Totally irrelevant tidbit...

I was watching an interview with Robin Williams last night (from perhaps 15 or 20 years ago) where he was just going in a bazillion directions for 30 minutes or more and all just brilliant. One thing he said just knocked me over. He used this phrase - "The Manson Nixon line"
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2016 10:53 am
@blatham,
More guns only results in more killings, intentional and accidental. No thank you.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 11:24 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

To put this another way, LaPierre wants to deny local constituencies of citizens the right and opportunity to establish their own laws on weapons within their own communities. He wishes a statist regime across the US. Trump will almost certainly acquiesce given his political need to keep this interest group appeased.


The only 'statism" here is our constitution which explicitly limits the ability of any U.B. government , Federal , state or local to enact laws limiting eneumerated rights in it. There is a process for modifying the constitution - its hard but it has =been done.

Besides you live safely in Canada so this is no concern of yours.
giujohn
 
  -3  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 12:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Bullshit... More guns equals less crime.
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 12:07 pm
Anyone who has the courage to explore the inner workings of the crazed, psychopathic mind of Steve Bannon may want to watch this video clip:

revelette2
 
  2  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 12:16 pm
@giujohn,
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What you fail to understand is if this case prevails we won't need a national reciprocity law for gun permits... Because you won't need a gun permit.


That would depend on the states would it not? Say in California they could make all the gun control laws they want as long as they do not ban gun entirely and you guys could do nothing about it.

Quote:
It’s going to be very tempting for most of the nation to celebrate such an affirmation of states rights, but it’s also important to realize that as the Supreme Court strikes down federal powers to pass gun laws, it simultaneously places those powers in the hands of state governments, and not all state governments were smart enough to mirror the natural right to bear arms reflected in the Second Amendment.


From the previous link to a very pro gun rights website.
giujohn
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2016 12:18 pm
I just saw a report of over a thousand veterans who descended on Hampshire College in Massachusetts to protest the colleges removal of the American flag after it was lowered to half staff over Trump's election. It was a sea of American flags.

I'm extremely proud of my fellow veterans, patriotic Americans all, who have given voice to the countless thousands who have died defending that flag.

On a side note I just reviewed Aretha Franklin's singing of our national anthem a few days ago at a football game. It was the most ridiculous and uninspiring rendition I've ever heard in my entire life. She completely butchered it.

It made me think back to Super Bowl 1991 when I witnessed Whitney Houston give the most poignant patriotic and inspiring rendition of my national anthem that I have ever witnessed. I just reviewed that video from 1991 to cleanse my auditory palette of the atrocity visited upon me by Aretha Franklin.

Whitney Houston's version still brings tears to my eyes. She was the greatest singer in a generation.
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Mon 28 Nov, 2016 12:24 pm
@revelette2,
That depends on the strength of the decision. If the Second Amendment is decidedly found to be what it was always intended to be, an unalienable right not to be infringed, any law either federal or state that would infringe upon it would be found to be unconstitutional and protected as is speech, religion, and the Press, with only very minimal restrictions such as would be with speech and the famous example of yelling fire in a crowded theater.
revelette2
 
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Mon 28 Nov, 2016 12:28 pm
@giujohn,
If federal government has no say in the gun laws the states pass, they have no say. Personally I doubt it will pass because of the very complications it will cause.
 

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