@McGentrix,
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Have you actually thought about this whole thing from a neutral perspective?
Yes, I've tried. But until the investigations are complete or something else breaks the story wide open I don't have enough information to think about
"this whole thing" — because no one knows where this whole this is going.
What we have here are a bunch of stories, a bunch of interpretations, some facts, some lies, all of which are changing from day to day, and here we are, with the perspective of ants, trying to make sense of it before we even know what
it is. It's not surprising that we would look at what's going on through the personal lens of ideology. Let's just try not to let our ideologies automatically invalidate conclusions which differ from our anticipated findings.
Quote:The Trump admin is being accused of conspiring with the Russians ti make Clinton lose the election. This is mostly based on surveillance of Russian communications and activity. The Trump administration is alleging that they were under illegal surveillance in an attempt to sink their campaign by leaking information.
I disagree with your synopsis here. People involved in the Trump campaign are being investigated because of their contacts with and ties to Russia. Whether or not the campaign was discussed may never be known. And I think most people who have kept up with the story accept the view of Politico, that it seems highly unlikely that actions by the Russian government contributed in any decisive way to Trump’s win over Clinton.
You do realize, though, that whether the (alleged) actions hurt Clinton's campaign or gave Trump his victory are
beside the point. Even ineffective collusion would be highly suspect.
Quote:The Trump administration is alleging that they were under illegal surveillance in an attempt to sink their campaign by leaking information.
Well if that was their plan they did a pretty crummy job — I don't remember any leaked information coming out about the Trump campaign, nothing specific. As the HRC wiki leaks rolled out, day after day, all the Dems could do was point fingers and keep mentioning "Russia, Russia, Russia". For all the "illegal surveillance" and "wiretapping" you'd think they could have come up with one embarrassing phone call or something.
Yes, I think it's very likely that investigations of Russian money laundering may have looked at some of the Russians who did business with Trump or rented real estate from him. This could have started years ago, before he was even a serious candidate. Trump's charge that the surveillance was "illegal" was just a dumb mistake, a hasty reaction which a seasoned politician would have avoided.
I don't think the Farkas story is going anywhere. But we'll see. At this point there's no guarantee that the investigation is going anywhere either. But the predictable behavior of the spear carriers in either camp can be a source of entertainment. Where would politics be without loyal foot soldiers!