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farmerman
 
  3  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:03 am
@gungasnake,
s they say, stand-off fighting is what we excel in. The Russians would have to pierce a radar shiels and several levels of missiles before their tanklike jets would overcome anything.

They dont have enough reserve to accomplish anything. Remember a bunch of rag headed Afghanis sent them packing s their giant "Hinds" couldnt get out thir own way.


P51 , F86?? really?

There will be 3 versions of the F35 to start.
PS, before the P51 was even considered a decent plane, what did it go through AFTER its vaunted 6 month "short development time"?
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
poor gunga's gonna be spending the whole day down thumbing almost everybody. LOL
poor sot.

Note that is the Left who always thumb down people. They do it because they are unable to present real arguments to support their demented ideology.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:19 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
The F 35 is the basic answer to how you would go about creating $1 billion fighter plane which would lose a dog fight to an F 86 and possibly even to a P51. A better approach to providing our Air Force with planes might be to simply declare the United States to be a Christian nation (like Russia) and try to sign a deal allowing us to purchase Сухой aircraft.

The problem with the F-35 is that it is being expected to carry out a role that it just isn't capable of doing.

If we just count the F-35 as a replacement for F-117s, ground attack configured F-16s, and Harrier Jump Jets, and we use other planes for air superiority, the F-35 isn't so bad.

We do have a good air superiority fighter. The F-22. What we need to do is resume production and prosecute those Congressmen who voted to kill the program.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:21 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
P51 , F86?? really?

The F-35 is just not an air-superiority fighter. And it never will be.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:29 am
@hightor,
LOL!

Lets look at what she sent to The American Spectator...

Quote:
“Unfortunately, a few days ago a strange video of unknown provenance popped up on the internet with a wild misinterpretation of comments I made on the air in March. The topic of the particular segment — the video was selectively cut to include only my comments out of context — was the Russia election hack/information operation and a NYT story that described Obama administration members trying to get intelligence information on the Russian hack to Congress. I explained, in my role as an analyst, that I knew there were concerns in Washington about what the Russians did and whether the American public would find out what happened. I stated that I was worried that Congress wasn’t being briefed — according to normal procedures, which I know well from my 8 years as a Professional Staff Member with the Senate Armed Services Committee. I shared my concerns with both sides of the aisle about the need to get all the information the Obama administration had with regard to the Russian hacking of our elections and any potential complicity by Americans. I was out of government, I didn’t have any classified information, or any knowledge of ‘tapping’ or leaking or the NYT article before it came out. But I knew well from my time in government how the Russians operated and I could sense from media reports that the administration was concerned. I wanted to make sure that the standard procedure of White House briefing the Congress was taking place so that Congress knew everything the White House knew about what the Russians had done. At the end of the interview I did start a new thought ‘that’s why they leaked,’ but got cut off. If I’d had time I would have explained that leaking is illegal and I would never condone it, but it seems that the people who were leaking to the New York Times might have also been concerned that the legislative branch was being left in the dark.”


I like how this makes her look like a crazy person. That will give the Obama people the capability to tell everyone she is just a crazy person and nothing she said could possibly be true.

I mean seriously... "Unfortunately, a few days ago a strange video of unknown provenance popped up on the internet"... Strange video? unknown provenance? It's from the Morning Joe Show on MSNBC... What a ******* joke this letter is and trying to brush this off isn't going to work.

Yawn indeed. This is going to have legs and the truth will come out.

Have you actually thought about this whole thing from a neutral perspective? I mean not from either side. The Trump admin is being accused of conspiring with the Russians ti make Clinton lose the election. This is mostly based on surveillance of Russian communications and activity. The Trump administration is alleging that they were under illegal surveillance in an attempt to sink their campaign by leaking information.

How do you get information that any Trump people were talking to Russians unless they were under surveillance? Also, nothing that Russia did actually had any impact on the election to Politico.
Quote:
Based on the evidence, it seems highly unlikely that actions by the Russian government contributed in any decisive way to Trump’s win over Clinton.


Now, along comes Farkas... She may as well be someone like CI or Blatham that has nothing but hate in her heart because Trump won. She was so smug talking about how she thought she was doing good work leaking classified information that ultimately will prove to be meaningless, but will most likely end any career she had going.
gungasnake
 
  -4  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:29 am
@farmerman,
You really haven't kept up on this one at all, have you.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQB4W8C0rZI

The whole idea of standoff air warfare is highly problematical at best. For starters, at $1 billion a copy, an F 35 would always be outnumbered by Ffrontline Russian aircraft.

Nor would any stealth features of the 35 be likely to help it; the latest generations of Russian radar will see it as easily as they would see an F 86.

Best case, even at the 35 were to somehow miraculously get a shot off at a Russian before the Russian saw him, the Russian pilot would easily see two rockets headed his way, turn around facing the two rockets, step over them, and shoot the F 35 down.

All of that, of course, is before you even get to any kind of a question of things like рычаг, and the likelihood that a Russian pilot would simply flip a switch and shut the F 35 AND its missiles down the same way they shut the USS Donald Duck down in the Black Sea.

The most major thing which a fighter plane is supposed to be able to do a good job of is flying... The F 35 doesn't qualify.
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farmerman
 
  4  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:32 am
@oralloy,
F22 cant fly off a carrier qnd no thought was given to fixing that. F35 problems are mostly software, thats evolutionary, and lightning strikes , thats real.
Ive always thought that both F35 qand F22 should go " totally Autonomous"
I remember reading about what a POS the P38 was, and the P51 before certain things (like putting in Brit engines) and , for the P38, running them counter rotational so the damn plane would nt "flip over' at take off.
McGentrix
 
  -4  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 11:42 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f8D9HYfM7Lg/T8zYCgvIXRI/AAAAAAAACIc/5-A6gtLtY5s/s1600/closepoo.jpg
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hightor
 
  6  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:17 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:

Have you actually thought about this whole thing from a neutral perspective?

Yes, I've tried. But until the investigations are complete or something else breaks the story wide open I don't have enough information to think about
"this whole thing" — because no one knows where this whole this is going.

What we have here are a bunch of stories, a bunch of interpretations, some facts, some lies, all of which are changing from day to day, and here we are, with the perspective of ants, trying to make sense of it before we even know what it is. It's not surprising that we would look at what's going on through the personal lens of ideology. Let's just try not to let our ideologies automatically invalidate conclusions which differ from our anticipated findings.

Quote:
The Trump admin is being accused of conspiring with the Russians ti make Clinton lose the election. This is mostly based on surveillance of Russian communications and activity. The Trump administration is alleging that they were under illegal surveillance in an attempt to sink their campaign by leaking information.


I disagree with your synopsis here. People involved in the Trump campaign are being investigated because of their contacts with and ties to Russia. Whether or not the campaign was discussed may never be known. And I think most people who have kept up with the story accept the view of Politico, that it seems highly unlikely that actions by the Russian government contributed in any decisive way to Trump’s win over Clinton.
You do realize, though, that whether the (alleged) actions hurt Clinton's campaign or gave Trump his victory are beside the point. Even ineffective collusion would be highly suspect.

Quote:
The Trump administration is alleging that they were under illegal surveillance in an attempt to sink their campaign by leaking information.


Well if that was their plan they did a pretty crummy job — I don't remember any leaked information coming out about the Trump campaign, nothing specific. As the HRC wiki leaks rolled out, day after day, all the Dems could do was point fingers and keep mentioning "Russia, Russia, Russia". For all the "illegal surveillance" and "wiretapping" you'd think they could have come up with one embarrassing phone call or something.

Yes, I think it's very likely that investigations of Russian money laundering may have looked at some of the Russians who did business with Trump or rented real estate from him. This could have started years ago, before he was even a serious candidate. Trump's charge that the surveillance was "illegal" was just a dumb mistake, a hasty reaction which a seasoned politician would have avoided.

I don't think the Farkas story is going anywhere. But we'll see. At this point there's no guarantee that the investigation is going anywhere either. But the predictable behavior of the spear carriers in either camp can be a source of entertainment. Where would politics be without loyal foot soldiers!

oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:32 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
F22 cant fly off a carrier qnd no thought was given to fixing that.

They considered making a carrier version of the F-22.

But the solution for the Navy is to buy Dassault Rafales for them.


farmerman wrote:
F35 problems are mostly software, thats evolutionary, and lightning strikes , thats real.

That depends. If people keep trying to make the F-35 fill the role of an air-superiority fighter, its biggest problem is the fact that it is absolutely not an air-superiority fighter and it never will be.

If people stop trying to make it be an air-superiority fighter, that problem goes away.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:42 pm
@hightor,
There was no way Russia could have interfered with our elections, because the internet for each voting district is independent, and there are 435.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:49 pm
@oralloy,
Prove it's always the left thumbing people down?
Quote:
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
poor gunga's gonna be spending the whole day down thumbing almost everybody. LOL
poor sot.

Note that is the Left who always thumb down people. They do it because they are unable to present real arguments to support their demented ideology.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:51 pm
@McGentrix,
McG wrote,
Quote:
Now, along comes Farkas... She may as well be someone like CI or Blatham that has nothing but hate in her heart because Trump won.


Trump is a racial bigot, con, scammer and misogynist. I don't "hate" Trump, I despise him.

A republican called Trump a bigot.
https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/10/06/cnn-republican-political-commentator-trump-bigot-he-racist-he-misogynist/213575

Trump's cons.
https://www.thenation.com/article/why-trumps-con-cant-last-forever/

Trump's scams.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/18/reports-trump-nears-settlement-trump-u-fraud-case/94068946/

Trump's misogyny.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/trumps-misogyny-problem-how-donald-has-repeatedly-targeted-women

Trump also admires Putin, a powerful leader and killer.

Also, Trump's approval rating is in the toilet. Worst in history. His disapproval rating according to Gallup is around 57%.
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revelette1
 
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Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:57 pm
@MontereyJack,
I looked, but couldn't really find too many, did find a site where you can make a trump cheese image.

https://cdn.meme.am/Instance/Preview?imageID=14703184&text0=cheese eater&text1=just for layman

Meme Generator
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:58 pm
@farmerman,
The P 51 included a then fairly revolutionary wing design, a so called "laminar flow" wing ( it really wasn't that at high angles of attack) that was, in fact highly efficient. This design permitted significant armament and fuel storage within the wing. The initial design also had provisions for a significantly larger engine than was then available, though several candidates were in production. However, much American development was in rotary engines, and the British were well ahead in in line reciprocating engine development, The British Merlin engine, then in the new Spitfire was an ideal candidate, and that made all the difference, North American, the manufacturer was smart enough to substitute forced fuel injection for the conventional carburetor in the British version, this preventing the zero g engine stall issue that plagued the Spitfires in a dogfight.
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hightor
 
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Sat 1 Apr, 2017 12:59 pm
Lying sacks of excrement:

Quote:
The bridge collapse in Atlanta from a raging fire illustrates the damage intense heat inflicts on concrete and steel, and the massive disruption that results when a vital transportation link is broken, experts said Friday.

Intense fire can damage both the concrete that serves as the road deck and the support piers for the bridge, as well as the steel that reinforces the concrete. Even if a bridge doesn’t collapse in a fire, the damage can leave concrete crumbling and the steel warped and weak.

“The heat can damage the concrete and cause the reinforcing steel to lose strength, and that can cause the bridge to fall down,” said Andy Herrmann, a past president of the American Society of Civil Engineers and a 40-year consulting engineer in New York City.

Concrete starts to crack at 500 degrees, suffers large cracks at 1,000 degrees and melts at 2,500 degrees, he said.

A 50-foot beam could expand 4 inches when heated to 1,000 degrees, he said. After cooling down, the beam loses 50% of its strength, he said. The weight of concrete loaded on top of the steel adds additional stress, which leads to failure and collapse, he said.

“The steel may begin to twist or warp,” Petrick said. “This was a large, high-temperature fire under the bridge, with its structural members directly exposed to the steel.”

story

Obviously it was a controlled demolition and the three people arrested are innocent.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 1 Apr, 2017 01:05 pm
@oralloy,
When you make statements like the following, you need to provide "proof."
Quote:
Note that is the Left who always thumb down people.

People can get voted down for making statements that are untrue or not factual.
I can prove Trump is a racial bigot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/president-donald-trump-racist-examples_us_584f2ccae4b0bd9c3dfe5566

Trump will never take responsibility for his words or actions.
Quote:
There were nearly 900 hate incidents across the U.S. in the 10 days following the election, a report released last month by the Southern Poverty Law Center found. Those attacks include vandals drawing swastikas on a synagogue, schools, cars and driveways; an assailant beating a gay man while saying the “president says we can kill all you faggots now”; and children telling their black classmates to sit in the back of the school bus.

In nearly 40 percent of those incidents, the SPLC found, people explicitly invoked the president-elect’s name or his campaign slogans.
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ossobucotemp
 
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Sat 1 Apr, 2017 01:10 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/01/stephen-king-on-donald-trump-fictional-voters-truth-about-us-election

A clip -
I started thinking Donald Trump might win the presidency in September of 2016. By the end of October, I was almost sure. Thus, when the election night upset happened, I was dismayed, but not particularly surprised. I didn’t even think it was much of an upset, in spite of the Huffington Post aggregate poll, which gave Hillary Clinton a 98% chance of winning – an example of wishful thinking if ever there were one.

Some of my belief arose from the signage I was seeing. I’m from northern New England, and in the run-up to the election I saw hundreds of Trump-Pence signs and bumper stickers, but almost none for Clinton-Kaine. To me this didn’t mean there were no Clinton supporters in the houses I passed or the cars ahead of me on Route 302; what it did seem to mean was that the Clinton supporters weren’t particularly invested. This was not the case with the Trump people, who tended to have billboard-sized signage in their yards and sometimes two stickers on their cars (TRUMP-PENCE on the left; HILLARY IS A CRIMINAL on the right).

Brexit also troubled me. Most of the commentators brushed its importance aside, saying that the issue of whether or not Britain should leave the EU was very different from that of who should become the American president, and besides, British and American voters were very different animals. I agreed with neither assessment, because there was a vibe in the air during most of 2016, a feeling that people were both frightened of the status quo and sick of it. Voters saw a vast and overloaded apple cart lumbering past them. They wanted to upset the ************, and would worry about picking up those spilled apples later. Or just leave them to rot.
end/clip.

Interesting read. (I've never read any of his books, as it happens.) I agree with his take on things. Made me sadly laugh at ourselves.
hightor
 
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Sat 1 Apr, 2017 01:21 pm
@ossobucotemp,
Quote:
This was not the case with the Trump people, who tended to have billboard-sized signage in their yards and sometimes two stickers on their cars (TRUMP-PENCE on the left; HILLARY IS A CRIMINAL on the right).

This is so true.

An old buddy from my days working in a shipyard is a Republican and a big Trump supporter. I ran into him after he'd attended a Trump rally. He said the atmosphere was electric. Trump was spellbinding — he couldn't keep his eyes off him. And then he said, approvingly and in all sincerity, "He's as close as this country will ever come to Hitler."

Never read any King either, ossobucotemp, but he's a good guy.
roger
 
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Sat 1 Apr, 2017 01:40 pm
@hightor,
The report I read mentioned melted steel, too. Nothing about nano thermite yet, but the day is early.

On King, he's probably the best writer I read, but he sure can be depressing.
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