I don't recall any 24 hour news coverage of any of Obama's lie by the media. When the whole "If you like your Dr, you can keep your Dr." nonsense was exposed as a lie, there was hardly any news coverage of it.
That's because, if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor. Yes, you could. It's the right wingers who said that you could not who were lying through their stinking teeth.
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Grandfathered plans are plans that were purchased before March 23, 2010. These plans have a grandfathered status and don’t have to follow ObamaCare’s rules and regulations or offer the same benefits, rights and protections as new plans.....
....If you like your grandfathered health plan, you can keep it.
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You're posting complaints that the press didn't jump on Obama's "lie", when in fact it was the right wing noise machine which was lying about the ACA. When are you going to realize that the right wing deals in untruths as matter of standard operating procedure?
I'm simply making "a legitimate report about the existence and substance of a rumor."
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McGentrix
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Tue 28 Mar, 2017 04:39 pm
@old europe,
No, the point is that the "media" will go to any length to show how Trump is wrong. They are not supposed to take sides no matter who is the President. That's not what the news is supposed to be about. It's supposed to be about reporting the news, not creating the news.
I know you guys disagree with that, but that's how it is supposed to be...
Now, does it really matter what day Trump was where? He isn't a computer, he doesn't have instant recall and as he has shown repeatedly, he gets things jumbled up sometimes.
Imagine sitting in your downtown Manhattan place and watching the news and you see this on the news:
15 years later you get asked about your memories and you recall that video. Next thing you know all that is on the news is what you said, not that shitty Palestinians were dancing around celebrating 9/11.
More excerpts from the Rueter's "Handbook of Journalism" that CNN, et al, might want to peruse, eh?
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Do not use “reports” or “unconfirmed reports” as the basis for a story. You must source every statement in every story unless it is an established fact or is information clearly in the public domain, such as court documents or in instances when the reporter, photographer or camera operator was on the scene.
Just because you have a named source does not mean you are free from responsibility for what you quote the source as saying. Whenever possible, sources should be identified by name and position. Even information from a named source should normally be checked and balanced, especially in a situation of conflict or a negotiation.
“A source” or “sources”, “observers” or “quarters” with no further description is vague and unacceptable. So is the use of “informed sources” or “reliable sources”. Would we quote an uninformed or unreliable source?
In a conflict, dispute or negotiation, always try to speak to all sides, and make clear which side your source is on, or whether the source is a third party. Nor should we quote a source as saying one thing on the record and the opposite, or something that is clearly contradictory, on background.
Every source who talks to a Reuters reporter has a motive. Try to identify that motive and the “spin” that comes with the information, and weigh it against other information you have obtained, generally known background and your own common sense to work out the real story. Your own suspicious mind is one of the best defences against being manipulated. Talk to sources on all sides of an issue, business deal, political dispute, military conflict or diplomatic negotiation. Two sources are always better than one. Seek at least one source from each side.
Listen for what is NOT said as hard as you listen to what is said. Sometimes newsmakers disclose a key change in position when they stop saying something they had talked about openly before. Do your homework and know the subject. A reporter who understands the topic and is up-to-date on the news is less vulnerable to manipulation.
Play devil’s advocate when interviewing. When doing initiative reporting, try to disprove as well as prove your story. Look for knowledgeable, independent third parties to help gauge the reliability of information.
We can never allow our sources to make allegations, contentious statements or vituperative attacks behind a cloak of anonymity. It weakens our credibility and gives the sources an opportunity to benefit at our expense. It is fundamentally unfair to the other party and thus biased..., use them only for facts, not opinions. If a source wants to make a vituperative attack on an individual, organisation, company or country he or she must speak on the record. If the person will not speak on that basis we should not use the story.
Then again, where would CNN be if they followed those kinda standards of legitimacy, eh? Off the air, I would guess.
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layman
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Tue 28 Mar, 2017 05:09 pm
@McGentrix,
As I've posted before, Gent, turns out that the same "fact-checking" paper (was it Wapo?) themselves reported, at the time, tail-gate style celebrations on rooftops by muslims across the river in Jersey as they watched the WTC crumble. Then they denied it was true when Trump said it. What else is new, eh?
I've forgotten all the details now, but I think the very same reporter wrote both stories (confirming and denying these celebrations, that is). It was the same paper (among others), that much I'm sure of.
But the current president of the United States lies. He lies in ways that no American politician ever has before. He has lied about — among many other things — Obama’s birthplace, John F. Kennedy’s assassination, Sept. 11, the Iraq War, ISIS, NATO, military veterans, Mexican immigrants, Muslim immigrants, anti-Semitic attacks, the unemployment rate, the murder rate, the Electoral College, voter fraud and his groping of women.
He tells so many untruths that it’s time to leave behind the textual parsing over which are unwitting and which are deliberate — as well as the condescending notion that most of Trump’s supporters enjoy his lies.
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ehBeth
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Tue 28 Mar, 2017 05:26 pm
@blatham,
You would have liked him. He was quite the inhaler
We had a lot of fun when we met him.
He and Set told stories til I fell over asleep at the pancake house.
I was going to comment on the post a few pages back about what Spicer supposedly "suggested" about the health care deal.
Some dissenters, both republican and democrat, said they would not sign the bill unless this or that change was made. They wanted to "deal" with Trump, to get the bill passed.
Spicer's suggestion was that no deal is better than a bad deal, that's all.
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layman
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Tue 28 Mar, 2017 05:37 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
That handicapped fella?
Yeah, I think so, Gent.
The guy who can't move his hand, which is permanently bent at the wrist. You know, the one whose handicap Trump was supposedly "mocking" when making some wild gesticulations (which that reporter would be incapable of making).
Some cheese eater froze a single frame from that sequence, where Trump happened to have his wrist bent, and claimed he was "mocking" the reporter's particular handicap. The other cheese-eaters ate that **** up, and reported the fake "mockery" claim as stone-cold fact, ya know?
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blatham
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Tue 28 Mar, 2017 05:38 pm
@ehBeth,
I'm sure we would have got on just wonderfully. I knew you two had met him and would dearly loved to have there.
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blatham
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Tue 28 Mar, 2017 05:39 pm
@ossobucotemp,
I didn't know that. But it figures, doesn't it. He was very rare breed these days - a conservative with empathy.
If you folks are going to read anything today, read this piece by Alterman
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Since its founding by Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes in 1996, Fox News has managed to act as an informal propaganda ministry and ideological enforcer for the Republican Party, even as it simultaneously masquerades as a reputable news organization. Impressed by its profits and the career opportunities it afforded, most journalists participated in the scam by refusing to call it out, no matter how often Fox transgressed the most basic rules of honest reporting. Both in style and in substance, Fox presaged the Trump administration and what my last column called its “Upside-Down Day” method of news management. When journalists did honest reporting on corporate and conservative power, they were accused of “activism” and “liberal bias.” When Fox concocted fake facts and then demanded political fealty to them from politicians and pundits, the network claimed to be presenting news that was “fair and balanced.”
...Bill O’Reilly came to Trump’s rescue by booking a fellow named “Nils Bildt,” whom Fox billed as a “Swedish defense and national security advisor.” Bildt came on O’Reilly’s show to back up Trump’s bizarre accusation with intimations of a conspiracy to suppress the truth. “These things are not being openly and honestly discussed,” he intoned. In fact, Bildt himself was a kind of walking alternative fact. He was not any kind of adviser to anyone in Sweden. Actually, he was an immigrant himself, having moved from Sweden to the United States in 1994—and, even more ironically, he was a criminal: Convicted of assaulting a police officer, Bildt was sentenced to a year in a Virginia prison in 2014. When questioned, Bildt told reporters that he had no memory of being in prison that year, but that may have been because he was then living under another name. He also says he has no memory of telling Fox he had the qualifications the network pretended he had.