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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
farmerman
 
  6  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:03 am
@Baldimo,
The part you forget is that Obama was waaay more polished, and had an ability to make himself the center of any blame. Trump hqs none of those characteristics. Hes so much of a narcissist that he cant imagine himself to blame for anything. That, and he is 100% "humor-free". His claims of being blessed with a "High IQ" fail when its a fact that smartiness and acute senses of humor go together

He is certainly letting his constituency down when it comes to placing their faith in him. Also, his own party seems to be looking forward to election 2018 and whether placing their troth with his cartful of bombast would be not such a great idea when they face a bunch of new challengers.




Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:04 am
@thack45,
Quote:
That's already been done for them, by those intent on delegitimizing them.

They do that themselves with how they apply their "journalistic standards"... More people might trust them if they actually did their jobs all the time instead of when a candidate they don't like wins. If they had done half the fact checking on Obama as they have done on Trump, people would trust them more. Hell instead of fact checking, the media repeated the lies of the Obama admin on gun issues and many other favorites of the left leaning media elite.
old europe
 
  7  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:09 am
@Baldimo,
You're saying the problem is not that Trump is lying so much, but that the media is fact checking him?
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:11 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

You're saying the problem is not that Trump is lying so much, but that the media is fact checking him?


No, that's not what he is saying.
old europe
 
  4  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:13 am
@McGentrix,
Sounds a lot like it.

Lots of whining about the media. Zero complaints about Trump's constant lying.
McGentrix
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:15 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Sounds a lot like it.

Lots of whining about the media. Zero complaints about Trump's constant lying.


Blatham doesn't supply you with your recommended daily dose?
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:16 am
@old europe,
If you could see Trump through Baldimo's eyes.

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old europe
 
  4  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:22 am
@McGentrix,
Cute.

I'm talking about conservatives. They would have a lot more credibility if they were able to acknowledge that Trump lies. A lot.

All this whining and complaining about the evil media, being so mean and fact checking Trump, would have a little bit more substance if conservatives could just bring themselves to acknowledge at least the most obvious Trump lies.

But hey, if Republicans in Congress are unable to do that, maybe it's just asking too much.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:26 am
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

Cute.

I'm talking about conservatives. They would have a lot more credibility if they were able to acknowledge that Trump lies. A lot.

All this whining and complaining about the evil media, being so mean and fact checking Trump, would have a little bit more substance if conservatives could just bring themselves to acknowledge at least the most obvious Trump lies.

But hey, if Republicans in Congress are unable to do that, maybe it's just asking too much.


What do you consider to be Trumps most serious lies? Like, if you had to have a top 3 that really get your goat, which ones would those be?
Fil Albuquerque
 
  2  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:26 am
@old europe,
Mate, if they admit Trump lies you gona need another Guantanamo and a remake of the GOP from scratch...
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blatham
 
  4  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:32 am
@snood,
Quote:
Yes... despite all their poisonous mischief, it's still very important for [conservatives] to see themselves as not only right and good, but somehow pure.

That's such an interesting aspect to the psychology and to the dynamics of how groups function.

Psychologically, simplicity can be very appealing and convenient. If you can manage to clasp onto a certainty that you have the core truth of things in hand, the puzzles and confusions and complexities are no longer (or at least much less) a bother. And we see this all the time in religious or political extremists. The common use of cliches by these sorts of people is one obvious manifestion - the simplistic cliche avoids the need to keep on thinking and is effectively a substitute for thinking. The person offering up, "God works in mysterious ways" thinks he is thinking but it marks the spot where he has actually stopped thinking.

In terms of group dynamics or operations, the most fundamental element in that is agreement. Where there is no agreement, there's no group. And the solidity of the agreement(s) among members is what determines strong (or weak) group cohesion. "Wishy-washy" = bad.

Then, where we see that personality/psychological type described in the first graph with the dynamics described in the second, that's where we get the really ugly human social behaviors - the al qaeda crowd or Spanish Inquisition thing. They are highly aggressive in the us/them framing, in demands for "purity" and they are always highly punitive. The conservative response to, for a contemporary example, transgender people, emerges from this stuff.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:33 am
@hightor,
Quote:
“As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.”
H. L. Mencken, Baltimore Evening Sun, 26 July 1920

Such a smart guy.
thack45
 
  5  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:34 am
@Baldimo,
I'll leave the anyone-but-him pointing finger of diversion typical in defense of this administration alone and point out that Trump does these things to himself. Through his empirically dishonesty nature, regressive, fear-based political approach, his questionable associations, bumbling, ham-handed attempts at policy and his near daily combative nature on display to the entire world on social media, he has made himself a massive target and a goldmine for sensationalism
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:38 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Decades ago, Exxon's own scientists concluded that carbon dioxide emissions, an inevitable byproduct of burning fossil fuels, are causing climate change. Yet the company buried those findings and instead funded pseudo-scientific studies purporting to deny or downplay legitimate science.

Yes. And in this, they merely duplicated the playbook devised by the tobacco industry to protect corporate operations and profits. Millions of sick and dead people being merely a PR inconvenience.
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:44 am
@old europe,
Quote:
You're saying the problem is not that Trump is lying so much, but that the media is fact checking him?

That isn't what I was saying at all, what I'm saying is that fact checking lies became a thing when Trump started running for President. For the 8 years prior to the election, that was no fact checking of the lies and untruths told by Obama and his admin. When the lies he told meshed with the leanings of the media, they carried his lie for him and used it in their news reports as fact.

Does Trump lie? Of course he does and I'm not complaining about his lies because they seem to be well covered by the media and those present on this forum. I'm pointing out that the media only makes a deal of lying politicians and fact checks everything they say when it is politicians and agenda's they disagree with, they are mum with those they agree with.
thack45
 
  3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:47 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

old europe wrote:

You're saying the problem is not that Trump is lying so much, but that the media is fact checking him?


No, that's not what he is saying.


In his reply to me, the conversation was about Trump's lies and the media's refusal to use the "L" word. He responded to that by pointing out that the media is fact checking Trump – and the tone would indicate diligently so. Not the point he was making, but a point he needed to make in order to get to his allegation.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:47 am
@blatham,
Quote:
....the White House will be adorned by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.”


Gee, that sounds so familiar.
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ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:49 am
interesting article that gets to Trump and his crew after discussing "lone attackers":

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/28/lone-attackers-domestic-violence-khalid-masood-westminster-attacks-terrorism
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 11:04 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
However, I did like , " extreme level of tribal identification where rationality is subsumed beneath the us versus them framing" .... nice academic overtones, impressive and important,,,,

Very nice of you to say so. As a gesture of my appreciation for your kindness, permit me to have a talented lady artist of my acquaintance embroider the words onto a pair of naughty girl panties (on the front - at rear we'll add, "You Go, Fat Leonard!") and you can have your wife (or whomever) model them for you. Hot. We are talking hot.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 11:08 am
Happy happy happy
Quote:
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
The Democrats will make a deal with me on healthcare as soon as ObamaCare folds - not long. Do not worry, we are in very good shape!
7:03 PM - 27 Mar 2017

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