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Builder
 
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Mon 27 Mar, 2017 08:33 pm
@RABEL222,
Talk to the Pentagon. They manage to lose 20 trillion, and nobody cares.
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Mar, 2017 08:42 pm
@snood,
Quote:
How do you fathom people who continue to support and defend Trump and his "administration"? I can't see how anyone with any shred of decency could keep propping this excrement up.

It appears to be an extreme level of tribal identification where rationality is subsumed beneath the us versus them framing. The present rightwing notions of mainstream media (they are the enemy because they question and criticize) is one indicator of what's going on. The rejection of truth/facts is of course related. This has been fostered for electoral gains and power and (as with Limbaugh and so many others in the rightwing universe) for personal profit. If you can make $70 million a year like Limbaugh and Beck (a few years back) or $40 million a year like Hannity, the incentives work strongly towards continuation of this very profitable game.
thack45
 
  5  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 08:51 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
There is clearly no limit to how much or how often these people will just lie through their teeth.

Yeah that's because the one source that can call him on it and make it matter just beat around the bush with it. Until the major media outlets acknowledge that lies aren't just incorrect statements and unfounded claims and call a lie a lie, their is little repercussion in keeping it up
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:14 pm
@thack45,
Quote:
Until the major media outlets acknowledge that lies aren't just incorrect statements and unfounded claims and call a lie a lie, their is little repercussion in keeping it up

Actually, most are and have been for a while. It's not as good or honest as it ought to be but it has been moving in the right direction for some months now.
thack45
 
  3  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:19 pm
@blatham,
I meant more along the lines of popping on CNN, and the news anchor starts in with, "Good evening, I'm Blah Blabingblah. At the white house today, president Trump lied again.."
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:37 pm
@thack45,
I think they have to be a tad more careful and substantive than that. Present the facts as well as they can be determined and use the term "lie" where/when warranted but they ought not to set themselves up as opponents.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:40 pm
@blatham,
If you're interested in keeping up with Trump's lies, go to Politifact; Trump lies.
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snood
 
  3  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:41 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I think they have to be a tad more careful and substantive than that. Present the facts as well as they can be determined and use the term "lie" where/when warranted but they ought not to set themselves up as opponents.


It just seems like that there was a time when reporters/journalists didn't have to be so careful about being combative. Hell, if a few interviewers had just been hard-nosed early on in Trump's run about not taking bullshit for an answer, it might've made a big difference.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:45 pm
@snood,
A chicken shyt media does no favor to this country.
thack45
 
  3  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:50 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
they ought not to set themselves up as opponents.

That's already been done for them, by those intent on delegitimizing them.
snood
 
  5  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

A chicken shyt media does no favor to this country.

It IS cowardly. They never take a chance on maybe getting in ratings trouble or maybe pissing off their managing editors. They always back off asking the really tough questions if there's a chance their "guest" will be offended and maybe not book another appearance. It's lily-livered cowardice.
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Mar, 2017 09:58 pm
@snood,
Quote:
It just seems like that there was a time when reporters/journalists didn't have to be so careful about being combative. Hell, if a few interviewers had just been hard-nosed early on in Trump's run about not taking bullshit for an answer, it might've made a big difference.

Combative is definitely fine and often necessary. Trump has been a unique case because of the amount of blatant lying he does and the media had few tools or precedents to deal with this. It has taken them a while to figure out how to deal professionally with this guy and his style.

But consider too that Trump's opponents in the primary had the same problem and none of them got it right. Because news entities (the ones with integrity) have certain professional standards to try and maintain, this hasn't been easy to cope with properly.

That said, the news media came into all this with certain deficiencies that have not been helpful - most particularly the "he said" versus "she said" habits (as in, "some say the world is round, others disagree". That's the failure of presuming that objectivity means stenography. What they were trying to do was to present themselves as free of bias (after decades of the right bullying them with the "liberal media" charge). But where one side takes advantage of that media habit of thought, the media can be and has been quite often successfully relegated to a stenographer role where they have sought to maintain "equivalence" in coverage and commentary. To really get a good grasp of these problems, I recommend you turn to Jay Rosen at his PressThink blog.

One of the positive consequences of Trump is that he's really forced media to drop some of those old ways of thinking because the problems inherent in them for good and responsible journalism seeking to properly inform citizens have become acutely evident with Trump.
oralloy
 
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Mon 27 Mar, 2017 10:22 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
How do you fathom people who continue to support and defend Trump and his "administration"? I can't see how anyone with any shred of decency could keep propping this excrement up.

Well he's doing an outstanding job so far. We've done away with that horrible executive order on guns. We have a pro-Constitution justice about to be confirmed to the Supreme Court.

Things are pretty good.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 27 Mar, 2017 10:25 pm
@blatham,
I would agree, because Trump's approval rating is 36%. The media is responsible for that.
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 27 Mar, 2017 10:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I would agree, because Trump's approval rating is 36%. The media is responsible for that.

Yes. In covering Trump in an honest manner that meets or matches (to a great degree) their civic responsibility in a democracy, citizens have had the opportunity to grasp his duplicity, his lack of knowledge and his unfitness for the presidency.
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blatham
 
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Mon 27 Mar, 2017 11:05 pm
This is so cool. Taxpayer dollars well spent, no question about it. Weird sexual monsters cannot be tolerated in the greatest nation on earth because they are abnormal and way less equal, perhaps like space aliens or maggots

Emery Dalesio and Jonathan Drew report that North Carolina’s “bathroom bill” targeting transgender people will cost the state $3.76 billion in lost business over the next twelve years. AP
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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 12:01 am
@giujohn,
Jimmy Farter and the Killer Rabbit again??
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 12:05 am
Our last previous totally good president:

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blatham
 
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Tue 28 Mar, 2017 12:19 am
From Paul Waldman: 10 lessons from the Republican healthcare debacle:
Quote:
4. The Tea Party is still an opposition force. The Republican Party, particularly in the House, is dominated by people who arrived at their political identities during the Obama years. They aren't particularly concerned with the details of policy, since they're more interested in ending government programs than designing them. They have an opposition mindset, one that says that what's important is that you're fighting; it's the battle itself that gives your work meaning. And since they see Paul Ryan as an establishment stooge who isn't committed to the true and pure version of conservatism, they're more than happy to get into conflict with him and once again show how principled they are. This won't be the last time we'll see that dynamic play out on an important piece of legislation...
American Prospect
snood
 
  3  
Tue 28 Mar, 2017 01:01 am
@blatham,
Yes... despite all their poisonous mischief, it's still very important for them to see themselves as not only right and good, but somehow pure.
 

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