@hightor,
I am glad that we can have a civil back and forth on this topic.
hightor wrote:
That was very game of you to answer the dumb question I posed. I hope you see the relationship between that question and the one you asked me. Both of them conveniently assume that either the illegal immigrants or the firearms are taken completely out of the picture, so there is, in effect, only one logical answer. "Do you believe that if there were no humans the crimes they commit would not happen?" It's dumb.
You seem to think that illegals are committing barbaric crimes at an alarmingly high level and that sanctuary cities are in part responsible for these incidents. I haven't seen evidence that backs that up.
No, I don't think that at all. I mean other than the fact that every single one of them has already committed a crime by entering the country illegally. Beyond that, I do not think that illegals are any more likely to commit a crime than anyone else. However, the difference between us is that I see ANY crime they commit on US soil as one that could have been easily prevented by keeping them from being here in the first place. Do you see that difference?
You keep using psychotics with guns in your example. I see sanctuary cities as people giving guns to the psychotics, giving them bullets and then turning them loose in an elementary school. That is what they are doing by allowing illegal immigrants to remain in their cities and encouraging more to come.
Quote:It's easy to compile frightening statistics if the only sites you use are already committed to conservative anti-immigration policies. So I prefer to use more neutral government sources or other alternatives like this recent
Cato Institute report which came to this conclusion:
Quote:All immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives relative to their shares of the population. Even illegal immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than native-born Americans.
The site that I used that "are already committed to conservative anti-immigration policies", did you look at it? Was anything there made up or falsified? Did you see any crimes listed that did not occur?
Why not discuss the content rather than the source? That is something you guys love to do with anything that is counter to your beliefs. Don't like it? Complain about the source. Every. Damn. Time.
Quote:I honestly feel that the harm done to individuals, families, and communities by systematic and aggressive deportation of illegals is occurring at a higher rate than the commission of heinous crimes by illegals.
...they are illegals. If they don't want their families torn apart,
stay home. Maybe if your side would spend some time bettering their home countries they wouldn't need to be here. But you never see that happening.
Quote: Yes, McG, I know that some person will inevitably meet a tragic and violent end at the hands of a criminal who has no right to be in this country.
Finally, you answered the question.
Quote: But I don't believe that such tragedy or violence is somehow worse than that surrounding similar crimes committed by people who have guns illegally, psychotic people who should be under supervision, mentally ill individuals who don't take their prescriptions, or angry drunks. These are all cases where laws already 0n the books would theoretically have made the crimes impossible.
It is not illegal to own a firearm.
Liberals decided that the mentally ill and psychotics should be treated like non-mentally ill people and had them all released into society to "main stream" them.
It's not illegal to purchase and consume alcohol so long as you don't drive.
It IS illegal to come into the country unless proper channels have been followed.
Quote:If only he hadn't been able to purchase that gun.
If only I'd noticed his mood when he left the house.
If only he had taken his pills.
If only I hadn't had that last half bottle of booze.
If only ICE had arrested and deported this guy.
All tragic instances that might have been avoided are similarly tinged with regret. Sadly, this is a fact of life.
Sanctuary cities and not deporting illegal immigrants is the equivalent to:
Giving the gun and ammo to psychotic people
Taking the pills away and sending psychotics out into society
Giving away free booze
Not deporting people because your liberal values are more important than someone else's life.
Tragic instances that all could have been easily prevented.