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gungasnake
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 06:12 am
https://dailyinfo.co/democrats-seek-to-escape-their-whirlpool-of-failure-and-fail-at-that-too/
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giujohn
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 06:15 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

hightor wrote:
So when camlok continually raises a subject that no one else wants to discuss, repeatedly filling pages with attempts to get comments or attract attention, and there's already an active thread to discuss that very topic , suggesting that the discussion be moved is authoritarian??? Do I have that right?

Actually between JTT blabbering about 9/11 and Blatham posting links to commentators and shouting "Look everyone! I think what the smart people think!" I find JTT to be the less tedious one.

At least JTT is honestly expressing his own views.


hightor wrote:
And, good god, please — enough of the armchair psychoanalysis and the authoritarian(!) attempts to restrict the re-posting of articles from well-known media sources and journals of opinion. I like to see how the press covers the events of the day — I only wish conservatives made more effort to submit erudite pieces from a conservative point of view instead of just posting tiresome memes, forwarding fake news, and bitching about links.

Of course I may be in error in supposing that erudite sources of the conservative point of view actually exist.

The problem is, these articles are not being advanced as part of any political discussion. They are being posted so someone can pretend he's an intellectual. The posting of these articles is not leading to any sort of reasonable back and forth conversation or hashing out of ideas, nor is it meant to.

So I vote more JTT and less Blatham. At least JTT is expressing his own viewpoint and is willing to have a conversation about it.


I have to admit, that is a very astute observation.

Hey, maybe cammie is blathers sock puppet.
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 06:44 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Debra Law wrote:
This is addressed to layman: How many middle-eastern moms, dads, and kids do you want to bomb, maim, murder, and otherwise cause to suffer grave harm/hardship before your thirst for blood is satiated?

Although not addressed to me, I'd like to answer too.

Let's continue until every single person who expressed satisfaction over the 9/11 attacks has had all of their children killed.


2 extremists trying to out-extreme the other.
blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:10 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Maybe that huge clodhopper foot is there to stop the bleeding. Now Trump wants to lift it and here are the people you quote saying that the US shouldn't stop it's "moral obligation to spread its goodness and superior wisdoms" because then millions will starve.

Is this one of those false either/or binaries that you were speaking of?

No. There are two different and not mutually exclusive aspects here. One is the hegemonic nature of the US's role in the world (spelled out explicitly in the PNAC documents which Dick Cheney, for one, was signatory to) and which is driven most acutely by business interests. The other is the moral obligation of any nation to attend to injustices, tyranny and suffering outside its own borders. As you know, the US has propped up many tyrannies because US businesses operating in those places profited from that situation.
blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:15 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Quote:
Re: McGentrix (Post 6386948)
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See that's the problem... when any kind of conservative point of view is given it just becomes an argument about the source and never the material.


Well, I was being facetious, as I know there are conservatives who have interesting things to say.

There are conservatives who do have interesting things to say. Oddly, I quote more of them here than I think any conservative does. There are some people writing at the American Conservative, for example, who are very bright and knowledgeable and who care about getting things right. That is, they don't do propaganda. One can pull good work from the WSJ or from NRO or even the Weekly Standard or from conservatives writing at media entities which try to include quality thinking/writing from left and right.
McGentrix
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:28 am
@blatham,
I had to look at my calendar and make sure it said 2017 and not 1997. The Project for the New American Century ceased to function in 2006.

The US has also the second most charitable country in the world. Canada was ranked 6th and the UK 8th.

It's easy to always look at the down side of a country like America. If all you look for is ****, that is all you will find.
blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:28 am
From Krugman
Quote:
This administration operates under the doctrine of Trumpal infallibility: Nothing the president says is wrong, whether it’s his false claim that he won the popular vote or his assertion that the historically low murder rate is at a record high. No error is ever admitted. And there is never anything to apologize for.

O.K., at this point it’s not news that the commander in chief of the world’s most powerful military is a man you wouldn’t trust to park your car or feed your cat. Thanks, Comey. But Mr. Trump’s pathological inability to accept responsibility is just the culmination of a trend. American politics — at least on one side of the aisle — is suffering from an epidemic of infallibility, of powerful people who never, ever admit to making a mistake.
NYT
This is accurate and it is interesting. There is clearly a notion held that if one admits error, then one is weakened. Just try to get an admission of error out of Cheney, for example. But this is a public stance. And it is all about dominance or the attempt to project dominance. Bullies don't sit down and have an open conversation about what they've been getting wrong.
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:33 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

There are conservatives who do have interesting things to say. Oddly, I quote more of them here than I think any conservative does. There are some people writing at the American Conservative, for example, who are very bright and knowledgeable and who care about getting things right. That is, they don't do propaganda. One can pull good work from the WSJ or from NRO or even the Weekly Standard or from conservatives writing at media entities which try to include quality thinking/writing from left and right.


You mean that you will reprint conservatives that have something negative to say about the current administration. They are bright and knowledgeable but if they have something positive to say, they will never be seen in a positive light through a Blatham posting. That's just a trick of the trade.
blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:34 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
I had to look at my calendar and make sure it said 2017 and not 1997. The Project for the New American Century ceased to function in 2006.

Yes. All the signatories and the full GOP have openly stated that this was a faulty vision of international affairs and the US's role in the world and that those political notions were erroneous and destructive.

Modern GOP thought is quite different. For example, now the notion is that if some other entity (a nation or an international organization or even an NGO) that arises to challenge US dominance in the world, well heck that's just cool and we won't be bothered when this happens. Am I right?
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blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:42 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
You mean that you will reprint conservatives that have something negative to say about the current administration. They are bright and knowledgeable but if they have something positive to say, they will never be seen in a positive light through a Blatham posting. That's just a trick of the trade.

I've been quoting/linking conservatives long before Trump appeared on the scene. I've been reading conservative media for decades and have a fair notion of who is worthwhile and who is not. I do, at this point, quote a lot of conservatives who don't think much of Trump/Bannon because there are so many conservatives now who don't think much of Trump/Bannon - for good reasons.

But the more important point here is related to the one hightor brought up. Why don't you begin a thread like this one and do what I do? If there is good conservative work supporting Trump, why would you not do this?
hightor
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:44 am
@blatham,
Quote:
There are conservatives who do have interesting things to say.

Right — but some here would probably reject them as insufficiently ideological.
We're polarized and angry, but often, as on health care, we're haggling over the details.
But really, look at Goldberg's article and compare it to a lot of the things posted by rightists. I'm sorry, but stuff like THIS and THIS look like propaganda to me. (There are worse ones, but I got tired of scrolling back through this thread.) My problem is not with the political stance but with the utter lack of journalistic standards.
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blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:46 am
When you are concerned above all with presentation of reality rather than reality itself, you do this sort of thing.
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The political appointee charged with keeping watch over Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt and his aides has offered unsolicited advice so often that after just four weeks on the job, Pruitt has shut him out of many staff meetings, according to two senior administration officials.

At the Pentagon, they’re privately calling the former Marine officer and fighter pilot who’s supposed to keep his eye on Defense Secretary Jim Mattis “the commissar,” according to a high-ranking defense official with knowledge of the situation. It’s a reference to Soviet-era Communist Party officials who were assigned to military units to ensure their commanders remained loyal.

Most members of President Trump’s Cabinet do not yet have leadership teams in place or even nominees for top deputies. But they do have an influential coterie of senior aides installed by the White House who are charged — above all — with monitoring the secretaries’ loyalty, according to eight officials in and outside the administration.

This shadow government of political appointees with the title of senior White House adviser is embedded at every Cabinet agency, with offices in or just outside the secretary’s suite.
WP
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 07:48 am
@blatham,
Because this thread is far too popular and polarizing. The 5 other conservatives on A2K already use this thread and so I will continue to post my PoV here. I do not think many of your liberal brethren would participate in such a thread.
blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 08:05 am
This is going to be interesting
Quote:
FBI Director James B. Comey and National Security Agency head Michael S. Rogers are set to testify Monday on the intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, and they will also face questions about possible collusion between associates of President Trump and the Kremlin.
WP
Comey's integrity is in question, of course, so what he does here today is important. And then, how will the Trump crowd deal with this testimony? Will they keep pushing the lie? Will they try and change the subject?
Quote:
Just hours before the start of the hearing, Trump posted a series of tweets claiming Democrats “made up” the allegations of Russian contacts in an attempt to discredit the GOP during the presidential campaign. Trump also urged federal investigators to shift their focus to probe disclosures of classified material.

“The real story that Congress, the FBI and all others should be looking into is the leaking of Classified information,” Trump wrote early Monday. “Must find leaker now!”
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 08:13 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
The US has also the second most charitable country in the world..


That's not necessarily a good thing. When essential social services are seen as charity instead of rights you get people making value judgements. You get rich people deciding who deserves their largesse instead of paying a fair amount of taxes, and what they pay in charity is rarely as much as they would pay in taxes if there was a more equitable tax system.

J. B. Priestley's An Inspector Calls is spot on. The character of Mrs Birling, who heads up a charity is the most nasty and judgemental character in the whole play.

The link, (and quote) is from/to a website for GCSE students, but it sums up the character quite well.


Quote:
Mrs Sybil Birling

Mrs Birling is about fifty, rather cold and snobbish.
Enlarge image

She is described at the start as "about fifty, a rather cold woman and her husband's social superior."
She is a snob, very aware of the differences between social classes. She is irritated when Mr Birling makes the social gaffe of praising the cook in front of Gerald and later is very dismissive of Eva, saying "Girls of that class."
She has the least respect for the Inspector of all the characters. She tries - unsuccessfully - to intimidate him and force him to leave, then lies to him when she claims that she does not recognise the photograph that he shows her.
She sees Sheila and Eric still as "children" and speaks patronisingly to them.
She tries to deny things that she doesn't want to believe: Eric's drinking, Gerald's affair with Eva, and the fact that a working class girl would refuse money even if it was stolen, claiming "She was giving herself ridiculous airs."
She admits she was "prejudiced" against the girl who applied to her committee for help and saw it as her "duty" to refuse to help her. Her narrow sense of morality dictates that the father of a child should be responsible for its welfare, regardless of circumstances.
At the end of the play, she has had to come to terms that her son is a heavy drinker who got a girl pregnant and stole money to support her, her daughter will not marry a good social 'catch' and that her own reputation within the town will be sullied. Yet, like her husband, she refuses to believe that she did anything wrong and doesn't accept responsibility for her part in Eva's death.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/english_literature/dramainspectorcalls/2drama_inspector_charrev2.shtml
blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 08:13 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Because this thread is far too popular and polarizing. The 5 other conservatives on A2K already use this thread and so I will continue to post my PoV here. I do not think many of your liberal brethren would participate in such a thread.

Perhaps you do not correctly apprehend why it is popular.

Your final sentence is fraught with a bunch of oddities. If you started such a thread, do you think your conservative brethren would or would not participate? If not, why not? Would you/they deem the activity not worthwhile? Another way to put the question - are you and yours here to learn or are you here to get in fights?
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blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 08:26 am
Quote:
It is high season in South Florida: blue skies, low humidity, warm temperatures and increasingly regular visits from the president of the United States.

Trump’s visits to Mar-a-Lago are stretching Palm Beach’s budget and locals’ patience

With those visits, the busiest time of year for longtime residents of Palm Beach has taken on a new unpleasantness. Airplane noise, traffic and a rash of angry confrontations between pro and anti-Trump demonstrators are beginning to seem like the new normal.

“He’s baaaack!” warned one resident on a neighborhood blog. “Get out your earplugs it is going to be another noisy weekend!”

President Trump’s trips here — which have added up to more than half of the weekends since his inauguration — are also forcing a brewing budgetary crisis for Palm Beach County, which faces the prospect of millions of dollars in unexpected costs associated with aiding in securing the president’s luxury estate.
SP
Not to mention the millions spent each weekend that Trump does this.
blatham
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 08:37 am
Margaret Sullivan has started a new feature at the Post, and it's a good one.
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...With this uplifting example, I inaugurate an occasional feature: Access Watch, tracking the special treatment — phone calls, interviews, perhaps the lone press seat on the secretary of state’s plane — that can result when media people play nice.

True, it is not the proper job of journalists to provide favorable coverage but rather to hold powerful figures accountable.

But that doesn’t get you far these days, at least in terms of access.

So we’ll be taking note of what does.

Consider Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s recent trip to North Asia — his first such foray. Tillerson broke with long-standing tradition by not including State Department reporters on this foreign trip. The norm is to have a solid group of reporters who provide “pool reports” to others not on the trip, so that American citizens might have a sense of what their government is doing abroad.

Tillerson had only one press representative with him: Erin McPike of the Independent Journal Review, a conservative website founded by Alex Skatell, a former Republican operative.
WP
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giujohn
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 08:38 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Because this thread is far too popular and polarizing. The 5 other conservatives on A2K already use this thread and so I will continue to post my PoV here. I do not think many of your liberal brethren would participate in such a thread.



Speaking for myself, I post here really for only one reason...To remind the Snowflakes that they lost their ass and there's a new sheriff in town. Elections have consequences, and "bidness as usual" in DC is done.
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McGentrix
 
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Mon 20 Mar, 2017 08:42 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
The US has also the second most charitable country in the world..


That's not necessarily a good thing. When essential social services are seen as charity instead of rights you get people making value judgements.


Huh. I figured there would be spin, but I didn't imagine it to be that skewed...

Charity is never not a good thing. I am not sure where you get the idea that social services are "rights". That sounds awful fishy.

It is a good thing to be charitable. Especially when you are the beacon of freedom in the world.
 

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